I wasn’t referring to Trish here, but to people who make vindictive comments or provoke arguments for the sake of it. Or those that argue over trivial things that are not worth arguing over.

Noky was always a bit of a floater though and didn't want to be attached to either group in particular. She even said herself that that is often seen as 'game playing' but in fact it's a terrible way to play the game because you get targeted by both sides as we saw by her getting nominations early from the likes of Jordan and Yinrun but also being treated really badly by Paul. So I don't think it's a game tbh

As for the choice for the secret task I thought it would be between Trish and Olivia but I wasn't surprised by Trish because she does trust her a lot more. We did see Noky and her together before that, they'd referred to this 'big sister' relationship a couple of times and Noky was the one comforting Trish when she was upset in the ant task.

Rest. He is a bully. "What are you looking at?" is a bully's favorite line. Exercising their perceived authority when they know what the fook the person is looking at. Giving it large I hope he cried in the hotel talmbout "nobody likes me:bawling: "

Noky isn’t using Trish, Trish is just very happy and willing to stand up for herself and her friends if she thinks they’re being wronged, there is nothing wrong with that in the slightest

Hmmm I kind of disagree to an extent...yes Trish did ask Noky what Paul had said to her as she saw her upset....I personally would like to have seen Noky say to Trish just leave it.... I thought it was a bit weak of Noky to leave the whole situation and just leave Trish to it. Its not the first time she has sat back and let Trish fight her battle.
Also Trish asked Henry if he wanted her to speak to Jordan and he said yes...she didnt just do it off her own back.

I like Trish but she's either going to keep gaining popularity by being vocal or it could go against her if she fights everyones battles.
Noky...lovely dignified lady but she needs to get a bit of backbone, Shes quite opinionated but when people bite back she becomes a blubbering mess.

It’s fine


I don’t love Noky at all .. I just think she’s a delicate soul who’s probably never had to deal with repulsive indifference like Paul , Tom , Jenkin Olivia before

Or if she’s come across one she would have been able to ignore or walk away from them

She’s been bullied, antagonised and unsettled in there and had no way of getting away from them


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I also found it a little disturbing when I saw Olivia and Noky chatting and what they were saying.
It seems Noky took herself off to the Upstairs gang with Trish because she did not like being around Paul...it seems now Paul has gone she is going to start aligning herself back with Olivia and her vile crew...shes playing a very clever and dangerous game.

I know I've done it plenty times in the past, if i see someone suffer what i believe is an injustice, i step in and say something. I consider it the right way to behave. I only ever came a cropper once and got a punch in the face for it :laugh:

It’s the “oh you’re just strange, you’re weird” comments for me… you were the adult man just throwing a strop over not getting invited to a party yh? I see you ! clown

…I agree with CeeCee…Paul displayed bullying behaviour and not just as a one time thing…/…he’s obviously not the only one as there was a pack mentality with regards to Chanelle for talking to the ‘the can’t talk to them group’…so she had to be ‘punished’ and iced out…that’s a typical playground bullying thing…as is…(…as CeeCee has said…)…’what/who you looking at…’…it’s diverting and trying to assume a power position over someone who is felt to be ‘ a weaker’ …bullying behaviour comes in many layers, it’s not a one size all specific thing …and Paul was displaying some of those layers…even with the sneak peek vid yesterday, the title referred to behaviour as bullying…and maybe possibly also why the live feed was cut, while it was all being looked into ….

…so far as Noky choosing Trish for the task as opposed to Olivia, for instance…?…I’m not sure how long she would have had to choose a ‘possessed’…(..I would think…)…that she would also think of who she felt would be best for a task partner …but also, whatever reason…she was choosing for a task, she didn’t know what the task was…she didn’t know anything that it would lead to in terms of any hostility …she just chose the person she felt would do the task well with her so that they passed, surely….

rusticgirl! I’m glad I’m not the only one who got that impression!

I think she might choose to keep a foot in both camps, and doing so will either take her to the final or get her evicted. And I don’t even mind if she is playing a game, and manipulating others, but I’d just like her to be upfront with the audience about it.

She’s going to have to play things very carefully though, as the week before killer noms, she had received 3 votes, strangely from Chanelle, Henry and from one of the evicted housemates. By last week, it was clear that mistrust had formed in other housemates from both sides of the divide. The question is can she turn that around before the next set of noms?

I admire you for this, bots, and would do the same. I think it’s almost an instinctive thing. Sorry to hear you got punched for trying to do the right thing!

Yeah that's also quite typical bullying behaviour, trying to isolate someone for being 'weird' and making them doubt themself

Also Paul had literally spent all night staring at the others from upstairs yet Noky looking at him being a dickhead is 'weird behaviour'

Hopefully just trying to build bridges and maybe rekindle their friendship


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playing devil's advocate on the paul situation..
 

Just before the Live Feed stopped last night

This is a rough transcript


Noky tried to explain to the festering four that she had spent more time with the upstairs lot this week because she felt like she had to stay away from Paul - for her own safety and well being



It did highlight that good old Paul had been getting at Noky for quite some time and her choices were to hide away from Paul or walk !

That’s bullying in my view !!


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It's not even devil's advocate imo lol it's common sense.

Calling someone a bully here is ridiculous, it's a word which gets thrown around pointlessly now. Paul barely even acknowledges Noky :joker: Saying he thinks she's fake isn't bullying her, it's his opinion and the others have had the same thoughts (Jordan/Henry), the only difference is that they didn't say it to her. And if you notice, Noky always takes a backseat in any confrontation, just like when Trish/Dylan were arguing and SHE was actually the one who nominated him not Trish but she didn't speak up, she just let them go at it and stayed out of it.

Exactly

She should be applauded

Sadly our society is broken


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playing devil's advocate on the paul situation..
 

Repeatedly calling Noky fake when the whole idea of the program is to convince viewers to like, trust and vote for you is definitely bullying


He couldn’t say anything more damaging to her reputation

Also staying out of arguments is not a fault / flaw and getting involved and defending other people is also not a fault / flaw

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Repeatedly? Twice at most, but regardless the number of times doesn't make it bullying. He wasn't actively spending time with/around her, he avoided her as much as possible. He's allowed to give his opinion without being called a "bully" just because Noky cries at everything.

It's funny you say that because she clearly didn't give a **** about his reputation when she was attempting to influence the public by making him look bad for writing Olivia's name down did she?

yes I agree with this 100%, in particular the part I bolded. I don't think Noky is a bad sort either but if I were Trish I would keep her at arms length, which is ironically probably exactly what Trish won't do, being Trish

then we're agreeing again on our roller coaster agreement disagreement :laugh:

Noky seems to talk a very empathetic game but her actions suggest something very different. Her constant sobbing/wincing is also getting rather grating, in particular the faces she pulled when the evictions were announced. Not saying you agree with me but the girl needs to get a grip I'd feel like I were walking on eggshells around her

while I totally respect what you've written Ammi I don't feel I can cross the line to label Paul's behaviour as bullying, perhaps there is a pattern, and there is also a stretched out history of aggression in the direction of Noky, but for me I don't think there was enough in that particular incedent.

I totally agree in that Paul was definitely dsiplaying many of those layers though

Not all people are hard faced robots. Some people are naturally emotional, and are just as valid as anyone else. It was the first time she had been up for eviction after a traumatic week. Really, some people should give their head a wobble

I'm the same...