but the point is judaism is a choice of lifestyle not a physical condition.

Anyone born with a Jewish mother will always be Jewish whether they claim to be atheist or not. It's not a choice in a lot of cases and although it's not biological there are also instances in Israel where Jews would describe themselves as secular.

so it seems as though if people have no choice in being a jew the religion is just as extremist as Islam. so much for freedom of choice eh.

If your parents are catholic, you are born a catholic - if they baptise you it seals the deal, when you are able to make your own informed choice you may stop being a catholic

If your parents are christian, you are born a christian - when you are able to make your own informed choice you may stop being a christian

If your parents are jewish, you are born a jew - when you are able to make your own informed choice you may stop being a jew

and on and on with other religions

Pretty simple, to any reasoned person

Jewish Law dictates otherwise.

the same as catholic doctrine and christian doctrine and islamic doctrine and buddhist doctrine - none actually accept you have permanently left the faith and all will welcome your return.

You decide
You make an informed choice about your belief

Not sorry to inform you that its not only the jews you have to blame on that one

"Jewish Law dictates otherwise." But as they had left the Jewish faith would that law have any meaning to them?

There's "blame" occurring in this discussion? Perhaps you can elaborate?
Secular people born in Christian countries aren't considered default Christians, yet in Israel you're Jew by default, even if you're secular.

for example take this woman who is jewish

She is jewish yet she doesnt belive in what the Majority of Jews (Zionists) believe in: -

http://www.ultimateuploader.com/files/228903.jpg

Sorry but incorrect, the United Kingdom as with all other secular countries defaults the religion of a newborn to that of their parents, unless the parents specify otherwise.

You should perhaps re-read my use of the word "blame", as it is not aimed at an individual [namely you as I used it in response to you] but is used as a reasoning point as is common in the english language where it can be used to replace the phrase "at fault" in common vernacular.

Incidentally have you seen a birth certificate in Israel ?
There is a little box for you to fill in the religion of the newborn - and it is a standard certificate used by everyone

I'd say the same thing if someone questioned Christianity or Islam in the same way.

what? Islam and Christianity doesnt question the same way.

I think ill end it there?

Exactly, what im saying is the Majority of Jews would obviously have there on POLITICS, such as CHRISTIANS, and MUSLIMS, would all have a GENERAL CONCENSUS on how things should be done POLITICALLY. I respect All jews I do not want the dead, i am not something out of Hitlers army, but the GENERALY CONCENSUS with the ZIONISTS is what I critisized.

by the way I differiantate between Zionists and Jews. The only reason I say Jews all the time, is becuase people DO NOT KNOW WHAT ZIONISTS mean, or even semetisim.

The thing that easypeasy highlights is that WERE NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION THE JEWISH (MAJORITY) but were are allowed to question the CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM, why becuase of how the media treats sensativity around JEWISH ISSUES.

Islam and Christianity have been heavily bon barded through the decades.

with all due respect i think your thinking of the Halaucaust and Hitler every time some one mentions Jews. That is not the case. Im not even talking the History of Jews and all that.

Im talking about the General CONCENSUS current ZIONISTS have..

Are you saying the majority of Jews are pro-violence Zionists?

Edit: Also, I'm not referring to Hitler, Holocaust, WWII or anything of the sort. At all. Ever.

"WERE NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION THE JEWISH"

Who says I can't? I bloody well will if I want to.

lol thats like a jewish stereo typical thing of always feeling guilty.....ask woody allen about that one.

lol, if you actually Knew the meaning of ZIONISM, and what IS INVOLVED IN ZIONISM, then you'd Know that any support of ZIONISM, INVOLVES VIOLENCE.

I know... which is why I said "pro-violence Zionists"....

Perhaps now you can stop patronising me and answer my question, yes?

Maybe you'd like me to repeat it ...

Are you saying that the majority of Jews are Zionists?

Excuse me - I can

Just like I will also question Moslem, should I feel the need
Just like I will also question Catholic, should I feel the need
Just like I will also question ANYONE, should I feel the need

WHAT? well the Majority of JEWS are in ISRAEL, so I guess they would be?

thats like saying the majority of people like coca cola, and a few like pepsi

the majority of Israeli's are zionist's......... isnt that where the problem starts?

Ok so you are more than happy to stick with the statement, "Most Jews are violent" ? This brings me back to my original point... you're presenting a social group in a negative light.

That we are entitled to have strong views back and he is having his say.

That is debate, which I am aware of:thumbs:

Strong opinions, bring out Strong views and viewpoints.







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