Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11528055)

…(if)..some of the housemates are correct in their assessment of him constantly being self aware of doing and saying ‘the right thing’ and what he feels is the right thing to do and say etc…?…the I don’t think that he would enjoy HoH anyway because he’ll drive himself crazy in second guessing every decision he makes and his whole time in the room…

Originally Posted by GlitterUK (Post 11528291)

Ali is showing her true colours. She has gone from hero to zero for me. Khaled is a nice guy. She is a mean girl.

Originally Posted by ThomasC (Post 11528093)

Oh **** off with the bullying ****.

Don't even go there.

Originally Posted by fredmeneedle (Post 11528301)

Yeah too right.... the "bullying" thing gets bandied about far too often when all that is happening is that people are being challenged on their viewpoints

Originally Posted by Beso (Post 11528122)

Izaaz is the one that is guarded, not Khaled.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11528055)

…(if)..some of the housemates are correct in their assessment of him constantly being self aware of doing and saying ‘the right thing’ and what he feels is the right thing to do and say etc…?…the I don’t think that he would enjoy HoH anyway because he’ll drive himself crazy in second guessing every decision he makes and his whole time in the room…

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 11528064)

Yeah he was saying it in a pretty light hearted way between two mates, he wasn't exactly twisting his arm to make him say it. He also didn't really push it much after that and respected Izaaz's view imo

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 11528066)

There is a difference in having an opinion on someone and trying to turn the house against someone
Tonight we saw Ali do that

Originally Posted by Maru (Post 11528346)

I think it's likely true, but calling him fake is one notch below gameplayer. It's more like he's simply paranoid... the absolutely worst thing he did was take Ali's bait (that's what I think of her little "assessment") when she put him on the defense to defend himself against what are perceptions... Can you imagine? "Everyone here thinks you're trying to manipulate them by being nice"... so if he tries to defend himself or act even nicer to them, he's manipulating them anyway. Nice. :laugh:

She's been doing that to multiple HMs now. Daze tonight on livefeed was beating Nathan upside the head with the "But I feel" line of argumentation that is equally as manipulative, except imo she wasn't articulate at all. But Ali comes in to tell her how incredibly smart and articulate she was and more or less confesses she's been trying to instruct the entire house as to how to speak to her...

Ali can't claim to be neutral when she's clearly sticking up for the same group of people (clearly her buddies) and going out of her way to defend them against attacks against their own personality flaws, but then hanging others out to dry for the public... I think it's fine she tells Khaled to his face she thinks about he's playing a game and doesn't like certain traits he's displayed. That's fine, but don't make it out to be like "Well other people said this"... that's manipulative.



That's how I would've interpreted it myself sat in that same scenario. But I can understand where they left plenty of room for that to be interpreted another way, such as strong arming him to pick a side. And they unintentionally gave Izaaz a free pass to play that card to his own advantage, hence him going to "inform" Ali, ie to get her involved in his place. I think when Khaled says he doesn't understand how the game is played, he's 100% not lying there :laugh: That was not a good call especially as he said himself he knew Izaaz was warmer with the other group... but I still think a lot of what's going on with Khaled could just as easily be anxiety, though, he's obviously trying to play a game too...



Agreed, but she's clever enough with words that she can walk away from that accusation more easily than the others. It is what it is. That's why she's been selected and not another person.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 11528359)

In a house of 15 people how awful is it if someone is coming across as trying to be too nice, as Khalid is supposedly doing? Does it even matter? It might matter to viewers who want rows and drama but I can’t see it being a big thing for a resident HM with 14 other people in the house to focus on, many of them having worse traits and habits than being ‘too nice’.

Imo it wasn't at all appropriate for Ali to speak to him in such a superior and dismissive way “you can go back to your party” etc, and when she confronted him later (which she should have done in private instead of belittling him in front of his mates) she was so patronising and icy cold.
I just think the whole thing was vindictive and unnecessary.

Originally Posted by GlitterUK (Post 11528363)

Plus why is she nit picking at only Khaled? Surely Rosie, Martha come under the being too nice bracket also?

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11528364)

I agree that maybe things could have been handled better BUT this is Big Brother and we know how emotions and tensions are extremely heightened


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Originally Posted by jet (Post 11528359)

In a house of 15 people how awful is it if someone is coming across as trying to be too nice, as Khalid is supposedly doing? Does it even matter?

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11528353)

And yet an hour ago Ali sided with Daze when Daze and Nathan were having a tiff ( so she went against her friend Nathan )



( Nathan and Daze had a fallout )


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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11528353)

And yet an hour ago Ali sided with Daze when Daze and Nathan were having a tiff ( so she went against her friend Nathan )



( Nathan and Daze had a fallout )


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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11528365)

I suspect that there is a streak of misandry that runs through her.

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11528381)

She's definitely playing a Misandry strategy (even though I know that certain people don't want to hear that, or read it in this case) I do think she's trying to play the modern day feminist strategy, which does tend to lean heavily into Misandry a lot of the time.

I like to think that Ali in her day to day life isn't like that though.

Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11528388)

Yeah, hopefully not, but I am of the thought that you can tell a lot who a person really is in how they choose to play a game.

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11528393)

Sometimes that can be the case.

Other times it can be players playing too hard due to being extremely competitive.

Time will tell why Ali is playing that strategy imo.

And in fairness I am suspicious with who I think that Khaled could nominate himself, as I have noticed a pattern of him clashing with the girls a fair bit.