I have merged the two posts by you together, to save minutes of my valuable time :laugh:

I can see by your below posts, that you Eat, Breathe & Sleep War.......well, it seems that way!

But I bet you don't know as much about the Spice Girls :laugh::laugh:

Anyway, I shall reply to your posts anyhow



That is handy to know and I will admit, I wasn't aware of that.

Of course, it could be bypassed in some way? But I shall agree that it is unlikely

Once again, you know your stuff

If the information is real, then I shall go along with that


Right, okay?



Well, you seem to have it all covered?? At least, it appears that way, from someone who knows how to write it so quaintly

There must have been some descrepancies somewhere

So, from what you say, George W. Bush went to war, because of the money which could be made from possessing those oil-fields..

I am very sure, there will be a very good contrary opinion to yours.

If there wasn't, George W. Bush would never had been re-elected. He would actually be in a lot of trouble, which he isn't by the way

Abu Omar, an Egyptain cleric who got tortured by Americans because the Americans felt like it.

I know how you viewed it, but it isn't that way, is it...

How you put it into words, sounds very plausable, but like I said, the USA will be able to tell a much different story which tears your opinion to shreds.

The News tells us a much different story.

Also, they tend to talk about all the dead troops who have sacrificed their lives for a just cause.

But from what you say, it was all about "Oil"

I don't think the troops that are there or, are going in feel that the fight is JUST for Oil, so are they all fooled??

Come on Spacebandit, they must realise something?

But, if you read so much about these facts, you must also know that the USA had something contrary to say, but you doubt all of that and look to the way YOU choose to see it.

BLAME THE WEST......

As always:rolleyes:

Were they proven before George W. Bush was re-elected?

The USA invaded and naturally, Iraqi's will defend themselves. But, it was the threat of attacking Israel and possibly The West, which created these circumstances...

A threat, is a threat....WMD's or NOT!!!!

Saddam Hussain was to blame, right?

It could be possible if the President wishes to admit it?

Has he?

NO, he stands by the opposite of what you say and have read

I am not too aware of the North Korea situation, so I shall not elaborate too much.

This is very interesting once again, as you seem well versed, but once again, you wish to criticise the West..

That is over-the-top....

Bullies do exist, but the USA is a super-power and there will be problems at times, but War is necessary sometimes to acheive a certain goal.

In the USA's opinion, the War was necessary in this case and for the reasons we all saw on the News at that time.

What you have learnt and read is not enough..


You are very good Spacebandit and these recent posts of your's are nothing short of pure brilliance.

But


The American Government will always have a different angle, and we know that...









nodisharmony :angel:

You claim time and time again I am "anti-west"
I charge you to prove that

I am for law and order, and the united states breaches international law daily

You excuse it

I call for it to be brought to account and will proudly convey my convictions in this matter

You applaud the attacks on brown people because they were unfortnate enough to be born over an oil field, you are happy at the "prize" of the oil we will get - or rather americans get, do they pay £5 a gallon - do they hell

Whereas I expect my elected leaders, and the leaders of the "democracies" to obey the rule of international law, if they break them I expect them to face charges in the World Court in The Hague. Other leaders, dictators, murdering thugs etc should of course be subject to the rule of international law

It is really this simple :

I believe in law and justice and expect it to be brought fairly, without fear or favour on everyone who breaks the law, white, brown. black, yellow, red, christian, moslem, jew, hindu, someone who has appeared on a trifling tv show - EVERYONE

You beleive that might is always right, that white is always right and you cheerlead the bully, it IS who you are.

Now, do you wish me to keep handing you your hat ?

I will make one thing clear, (as this post of your's Spacebandit is full of innuendo and very serious too)

There are two sides in a debate, (the defence) & (the prosecution)

You are giving your educated opinion on the debate at hand and from seeing your various posts, they certainly look very credible, but however, you must expect opposition & that is what you shall receive, however much you claim to know.

Past hostilities between the "opposition" are neither-here-nor-there.

The debates are the debates and ego or anything else is to be ignored, which the opposition must do!



I can only assume from your description of the (United States of America) "chickenhawks" that your mind is ALREADY made up about them! So anything which follows that in the way of debate or opinion of THAT Country must be clouded, in the way of JUDGEMENT!!!

Your opinions below, I shall comment on in my usual way.....

You are very well versed "Spacebandit", and I shall take on board your opinions on what MAY happen & if it does, I shall applaud you on your speculation.

But for now, it is only an educated opinion.

Corruption exists and money brings power, we all know that! and I certainly don't deny that fact either.

It is a possibility and perhaps more than that?

But we can only speculate, can't we?

Very plausable and well written......

Regarding "Business ties, between Bin Laden", Well, perhaps they were good in the past & things changed for the worse?

Many people in business for years & years can suddenly turn into mortal enemies when something BAD happens to cause the problem

There is nothing wrong with "Speculation", but if the facts were as clear as YOU speculate, then they could be taken to court and prosecuted.

But, the FBI & CIA + other organizations can make this go away, very quickly.

A superpower get's that name for a very good reason..


Your many posts always seem to be pointing that way.

When I chose to point the arrow to the middle-east, simply because of the neverending Wars which are happening over there for years & years, you then turn the argument round and blame the West.

I can only say what I see....

If I see you blaming the East for something, I wouldn't make that statement, would I?

But you never seem to, it is like you are their protectors and not only them, but a defender of, "Well, you know!!!" Don't you?:wink:

"Law & Order", I know your intentions.....

The United States will break laws, because Corruption exists and George W. Bush is known as a Warmonger, but the majority re-elected him.

He must be good then!!??

You are looking through (hateful eyes) Which is pretty much 99.9% of your posts.

Negativity and having a go at something, that would make anyone think that you have an (axe to grind)

Today it is America.....(Who's next on your list??)

Somewhere in the West? Could be?

I state my observations and give my opinions and facts on each situation.

If you make an error or a mistake, I shall point it out in my usual way.

I know you will always do the same...

"In this matter", you make serious accusations against the United States of America.

That is noticed, very noticed.....

This is RUBBISH!!!!!! I am talking about middle-eastern countries and because they may have brown-skin's is nothing to do with this debate.

I am very aware of how many brown-skinned people reside and live in other Countries, in the West, am I picking on them? (NO!!)

I say that Saddam Hussain & his lot, didn't do enough to convince the USA that they had NO intentions of attacking Israel or maybe the West?

Remember, they won't tell us everything.

It will be on a need-to-know-basis only....

That is how they work...

Also, the Oil-Fields was brought up by yourself...

If America takes control, which they intend to. The Oil-Fields are there and the word (Prize) is how anyone would look at those Oil-Fields.

I don't know much about the price of Oil, I haven't looked as late...

But, if the USA win the war, then the Oil-Fields are there for the taking, (Free).

But the War is costing the USA a fortune..



But, if you are so interested in justice, then why don't you do something about it?

I guess it is like the attitude of New Yorkers.

They say, that if you dropped dead in the streets of New York, nobody would lift a finger to help?

So many people, much to busy and uncaring to do anything.

If you know there is a crime and you can report that crime and do something about it, then you should know the answer...

I think there is huge opposition to what you say and that is your problem. Something YOU chose NOT to point out.

Tell us something we don't know:rolleyes::rolleyes:

People get away with stuff, as nobody has the guts to report it. Sit down and do nothing, gossip, speculate...

Believing in that way of life is a joke :laugh::laugh:

I see gangs forming, much nearer than you think and many get away with stuff due to all kinds of secret deals going on everywhere.

Propaganda and mutterings + funny handshake deals and many times, expecially two in particular are happy to secretly be a part of that and then preach about law & order, when they can't get their own lives in order.

Think on regardless :whistle:

"A Triffling TV show", I guess you mean Big Brother, which is what this site is all about and many fans are here also, watching what you say is a "Triffling TV show"

It's actually called "Entertainment"..

Some people read books on War and Politics and some choose to live a happy life watching TV shows like "Big Brother", hardly Triffling, I might add:cloud:

You say "someone" from a show. (Let me guess their names) 1) Jade Goody, 2) Danielle Lloyd, 3) Jo O'Meara, 4) Jack Tweed, 5) Emily Parr

Am I right or am I right?

I wonder why you have those particular house-mates in mind?

Well, I know why, don't I:wink:

"Might is Always Right??" Endemol is mighty, do I stick up for them? You read my posts, don't you....

Paris Hilton commited a crime and I said that she shouldn't be treated any differently because of her Celebrity status.

She is White and I don't defend criminals.

If there is a defence side, I shall look at that and if they are truly guilty, I shall agree with that.

CBB5 was a very corrupt affair and I chose to prove my case, just like you have strong issues with the USA as displayed here

You can't let this Jade Goody thing go, can you?

Blame her for everything...

Lucky I know differently :laugh:

You are so, so, so , so wrong. Blinded by hatred and paranoia beyond all imagination.

Your 99.9% of your posts yearns the truth so well..:laugh:

I am not a hat person, it get's in the way of my Halo :angel:









nodisharmony :angel:

I find it astonishing that you can be so uneducated about a topic you pontificate about in such a know-it-all way, that you maintain a defense of a position that you know nothing about, that you could be so in the dark about the subjects you raise.

OK, commence more hat handing

George Bush was not elected with a majority of the popular vote, in 2001 he was handed the election by the Supreme Court of the United States who breached their own electoral law to do so - or to be more precise re-interpretated electoral law to allow the result to stand, and most importantly to stop the count of tens of thousands of votes in two key marginals that would have handed Al Gore the election - disenfranchising thouands of voters, the majority of whom were black - no wonder you like the guy so much. Easily checkable, have a go.

For his re-election he was once again gifted the election by the corrupt vote count in Ohio and in some other key districts where electronic voting machines had been tampered with or suspiciously vanished for a while - this story is finally beginning to break -I suggest you look yo the corruption involved in voting irregularities in Ohio in 2004.. very interesting reading


Oooohhhhh scary, even your veiled threats are nonsensical - what you going to do ?- report me to Homeland Security, go on I dare you in fact I double dare you with cherries on top :laugh2:

Notice these accusations of the President you cheerlead and yet are completely ignorant of the detail of - again all these facts are verifiable for someone able to see beyond the xenophobic myopia

In 2000 The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) in its report on Rebuilding American Defenses stated, "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor . . ." This would not be significant under normal day to day circumstances, however the Vice President Dick Cheney, among other key members of the Bush Administration, were founding members of PNAC.

the same report also stated

"while the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

Hence the real reason for the Iraq War was regime change. A war for that reason is illegal under International Law - look it up.

the we have the Downing Street memo's, which state that that Bush was attempting to make the facts "fit" the policy in order to justify invading Iraq -- since Hussein's WMD capability was in fact "less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran." Iraq was invaded despite the well known FACT that the vast majority of Al Quaeda was based in Afghanistan and Pakistan, even though the September 11 attacks were always referenced in regards to the invasion of Iraq, and the Bush administration intimated that Iraq was somehow involved in 9/11, no-one outside of the far right american cliques believed it, and even though the Bush Administration has now admitted that the claims were false, they still allow the fiction to stand whenever some tame right wing reporter decides to spout it.

What else has Bush done, the american president you cheerlead :

Cancelled habeas corpus,

Disregarded the Geneva Conventions in the torture of prisoners of war

Using signing statements to override congressional lawmaking authority,

Eavesdropping on Americans without court warrants

Refusing to comply with Congressional subpoenas

Sacking federal prosecutors for political reasons

Outing a covert CIA agent as punishment for her husbands refusal to stay silent about a report they commissioned him to produce which did not fit their fiction for war

Threatening to jail journalists for disclosing leaked government documents

Eliminating legal protections for government whistle blowers

Arresting peaceful protestors

Manipulating the terror alert system to instill fear in Americans

Stacking the Supreme Court of the United States of America with appointees of the right political persuasion.

Detaining suspects indefinitely without trial, without legal councel, without the right to a jury trial, without the right to see the evidence against them.

Most worryingly for Americans - doing away with the Posse Comatatus Act

Here are the accepted points that define a country as fascist

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Controlled Mass Media
6. Obsession with National Security
7. Religion and Government are Intertwined
8. Corporate Power is Protected
9. Labour Power is Suppressed
10. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
11. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
11. Fraudulent Elections (or Non-Existant ones)

the United States currently meets all the criteria



I say and the historical record backs me up that Saddam met all legal obligations given to him by the United Nations up to 2003




The Nazi's were desperate to get control of Russias Caspian Sea oil fields to fuel their increasing war machine, capturing the Caucauses was vital the war was costing them a fortune - the oil fields were there for the taking. As the purpose of both particular invasions was OIL - were they less right than Bush, more right or about the same when it comes to achieving the "prize" ?


I do do something about it, I do as much as any normal person can do, I disseminate information, and the only opposition to what I say you will find is the Republican Minority in the United States, and their apologists and cheerleaders - there I've just pointed it out, care to prove me wrong ?


You believe that my belief that everyone should be treated equally under the law is a "joke". It is people like you who empowered the likes of Hitler and Saddam - your fascistic statement has been "noticed, very noticed", and is no suprise coming from you



No, you excuse criminals - provided they have some form of "celebrity" or are wealthy, you latch onto any pathetic excuse / alibi that they manage to wring out of their tiny minds and treat it like Moses and his tablets of stone -

you don't "defend" criminals, what a joke.

Clarence Darrow you most certainly are not.

But you have once again revealed your true character.

I wonder where the first part of your previous post suddenly went?.

Vanished, suddenly.....Oh well, it is included in my last reply :laugh::laugh:

"Quotes" save the day:wink:


You can be astonished at anything you like Spacebandit. It is your job to make observations and I expect very little else:rolleyes:

I can quite easily find out anything on the internet, even if I did or do know nothing. But my replies to you speak a lot more and not just about, Well, "you know what?" :wink:

My subjects are very varied. War is only a small portion of the threads I am debating in. You can find out that quite easily. But you already know, don't you:rolleyes:

Halo-Style:laugh:


I certainly wouldn't put anything past Candidates for Presidency and if, "Al Gore" had got in, the War may have happened by his portion of authority.

I use the word "portion", as he is not the only one to make decisions. There is a process.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: That is a very naive observation, as the information you have mentioned, I wasn't aware of, so your comment about Black people is pointless and devious.

But I expect that from the prosecutor.:rolleyes:

I shal'nt bother :sleep:

If there was tampering and there is NO concrete proof, only what you have read. Then, there was a close-run-thing.

So, if you add up all the votes for George W. Bush, it will be absolutley massive.

So it is neither-here-nor-there, is it....?

Like I said before, I wouldn't put it pass any candidate for Presidency or an existing President, trying for re-election.

I shal'nt bother :sleep:


No need for "Cherries":puzzled::puzzled::puzzled:

It wasn't a veiled threat, it was simply pointing out, that your posts full of innuendo may get noticed by someone, that is all.

Perhaps that's why you deleted the first part of your pre-previous post?

I shall observe and comment....below "v"

Okay, Okay, you are well read!! But the big story reads well and there will be critics who will try to undermine and discredit this great President.

He does a lot more than talk War, ya'know:wink:

Living in the UK, means we miss his lighter side.

He is no Bill Clinton, that's for sure. Bill was a greater President, who hardly put a foot wrong, when it came to War.

Loads...

Have you absolute proof that all these accusations lead to the President himself?

We all know, that things can happen, without the Big Man knowing, until it is all too late.

Like I have said, he is no Angel:angel: and is known as a Warmonger..


I can imagine that you have read loads on this subject and have certainly convinced yourself that these printed-facts are true.

But, were they clouded judgements?

Many critics refuse to acknowledge the other side. middle-east


That was then, This is now.

We are on about Iraq and the President was not the one who you are prosecuting now.

It is hard to compare, but you do, obviously:rolleyes:


Normal Person.....................:bigsmile: (No, I won't say it....)

There are many who could prove you wrong...

and it is a shame, that no one on this forum has that ability, except to agree, "Out of easiness", or, "nodisharmony-style criticism" :laugh::laugh:


I elaborated a bit more. Look at my past post...

I am not answering your questions twice, unless I feel like it:thumbs2:

More babble:sleep::sleep:

More exaggeration & pure dillusionment. But, it is expected most of the time from the



Paris Hilton, Jade Goody. Your favourites:bigsmile: NOT!!

No surprise to your comment, then:rolleyes:

Exaggeration and you know it:rolleyes:

I defend those who have been accused of being a criminal, when they are NOT.. But I will listen to the Prosecution side and point out their errors.

I have done that before to the

Who?

I am not your regular nemesis:bouncy:






nodisharmony :angel:

i agree with spacebandit

A check on the times I deleted it will show I removed it AFTER you replied - did not see the point in having two back to back posts run so long. , as you quoted it word for word. Though I did of course screengrab it first in case you tried to change anything :laugh2::laugh2:


Once again you show your utter inability to comprehend - my comment about the "black people" is directly related to the information, as it was a vast majority of black people who had their votes discounted - again, simple to prove - but you don't care, they were black

Actually if your were able to keep up, you would know that it is provable, Diebold, the machines manufacturer are currently facing investigation of 4 different states all reporting voting irregularities.


Precisely - you do not have a clue what you are talking about, save from repeating some Right Wing soundbyte gleaned from here and there with absolutely no desire to ask questions - that is why your kind is so loved by fascists and other racists - they slip you a soundbyte and you repeat it like a parrot because you want to join their little tufty club



Oh yes it was, and you do it again in the full version of this post - its pathetic really. Nothing on this site can be deleted without admin knowing, and as I state earlier, the timing of my deletion was AFTER you quoted it - you can't even keep up a cogent conspiracy theory - even an idiot can do that.



Actually no, Bush had strings pulled to get him out of going to Vietnam - he leapfrogged over 500 other people to get a position in the national guard, and then he went AWOL from that - he is a gutless chickenhawk - chock full with the bravery of being out of range. He talks the talk but when he had the chance to walk the walk he got daddy to pull strings and call favours, you see in America the kids of rich people have all sorts of ways to get out of actually serving somewhere that may be dangerous, no doubt you applaud that - rich people getting their kids out of what they send Joe Publics kids to do.

His lighter side ?, what would that be then - the fact that he is a buffoon ?

and yes, he is no Bill Clinton - unfortunately




There we have another stupifying ignorant and uneducated comment.

You defend Bush, try to suggest that he may have had had no idea about the laws passed on his watch, yet you clearly do not know how the executive and legislative branches of the the US Administration work ..... he signed his name on all of them, or will you now argue that perhaps chucklehead didn't read what he was signing ?

if so it kind of scuppers your argument for a "good" leader


that argument is what is known as playing ostrich. It ignores every fact available and allows you to regurgitate your uninformed "opinion". It is a ploy much beloved of the far right - seeing it deployed here .........


and again with the veiled insults....reeks of cowardice


You can't, and its eating you up inside, I stand by every word- so I will quote your beloved President George "chucklehead" Bush - "Bring it on"



Exaggeration...really.... ?

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru....php?tid=65621

:laugh2::laugh2:



Oh come now try to keep up and stop contradicting yourself so often ..... how do you know they are not criminals when they have yet to hear a jury verdict - oh thats right you can't, hmmmm I can't decide on "hypocrite" or "disingenous", so may have to go with both


Scopes Monkey Trial


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Once again you repeat your uneducated invective, heaping praise upon a man you know absolutely nothing about other than his name and job title. Ignorant doesn't even begin to cover it

The most watched video on YOUTUBE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAH3AeFy0SY

There are lies, damned lies and apologists who excuse the liars


Impeachment is what opinion polls are showing the MAJORITY of americans now believe is justified, and why ?, becasue they now know they were lied to.


Warning : video contains a few uses of strong language in the second half, in both sound and subtitle

I wonder where the message got lost:whistle::whistle::whistle:

Oh, wait a minute :laugh: I am going to explain it to the, below:wink:



I am aware of that, as I checked at that time, but it did seem weird:puzzled: But your explanation above tells all:bigsmile:

As if I'd change it :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

You screengrabbed it:puzzled::puzzled: These screengrabs must be piling up now:rolleyes: Don't lose the important ones:wink:

You may need them, when I am winning:angel:



I actually said, that I wasn't aware of your posted information. You mentioned "Black people" and made a snide comment, remember:rolleyes:


I was on about the votes between the two candidates.

You mention "Ohio", but what about the entire USA. I would say he has millions of votes supporting him.

Just because you choose to dislike him and want him out, he has a lot of support and power too.

DON'T FORGET THAT BIT!!:wink:



You suggested I should read about Ohio???

I have already stated, that he has a massive vote and you and your found information tries to discredit the voting system and blames Ohio.

It probably was a close call. That must be observed






"nobody can delete without admin knowing about it"

That is handy info to know. No guesses needed to where you heard that from:wink:

Anyway, I am well acquainted with XMB. it became a priority once:wink:

But, then again, you screengrabbed it:puzzled::puzzled: So that was for extra insurance then????

I can't really get it, but not too bothered:laugh::laugh::laugh:





The great story you give us all to read is interesting, but non-essential really, as it is what he does during his time as President, which is most important to this debate actually:nono:

But, perhaps the tarnished picture you paint of the man, is a further attempt to win your case against him.

It is an observation, which is worth me pointing out.

He will have a lighter side and if you are residing in the USA and watch the News a lot, he will do a LOT of GOOD for the country, or he wouldn't get the votes, would he?

I do like Bill Clinton much better. But, if Bill had to make these important decisions about Iraq, he would do the right thing and INVADE, if the West or Israel felt threatened by a Mad-Man...

I believe that Mad-Man's name was Saddam Hussain.

I am sure that you have read all about what he did to his own people. That disgusts many...




Been there, done it, wore the T-Shirt....:laugh::laugh:

A typical response from "the", and expected, as-per-usual. Do I care, hmmmmmmmm. "I'll get back to you" :laugh::laugh:

Did I say, that he didn't sign anything Spacebandit?

No I did NOT!!

He's a busy man, and things happen very quickly, too quickly for you to realise, that things can happen in a way which may not interest the Big Man too much, when he has a War to deal with, and don't forget the many dead troops, who are fighting for the great "U. S of A"

Iraq and many of the people with a gun in their hand and War on their minds, also need sorting.

Saddam Hussain is dead!! Maybe, the Iraqi's should learn what the "White Flag" of (surrender) means?

The USA has no interest in making Iraqi's lives hell. The War crimes which happen, will be looked into.

If you think that Troops who torture Iraqi's for fun are condoned by the Presidency, you'd be wrong!!

They will end up in Jail.. Don't worry about that!!

War Crimes are serious. Just like breaking the Geneva Convention, even though you make observations about that.

Perhaps, Iraqi's should realise, that George W. Bush will assure that Iraq and it's people who accept "Peace", will have a better future.

This is where George W. Bush will really shine. Just watch & wait...




I say "Clouded Judgements", as you only choose to pick holes and ignore the "Defence Side", but that is commonplace from the



I was kind.....................................that time:laugh:

No veiled insults. In fact, very much less than you say about me, in less-veiled-insults I might add:rolleyes:




You are more than aware about what George W. Bush and his very experienced and more than clever team have to say in defence to what the prosecution has to add.

You also know, that if your findings were that clear, the President would be charged. But your findings cannot be that conclusive.

I don't think he is worried and the troops will increase in Iraq and the War goes on.





A Jade Goody thread:puzzled::puzzled:

Iraq/Big Brother-CBB housemate.

I still don't see the connection:puzzled::puzzled:




George W. Bush will laugh at you and you know it!

You fail to see anything contrary to what you say?? The Man is still standing and winning, simply because you cannot find enough information.

You certainly have many on here convinced, but the information you have given us, must have cracks miles-long.

You do choose to ignore loads, don't you?




Right:puzzled:


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You'll be surprised at what I know Spacebandit:wink:

But why should I do so much hard work adding stories from "God-knows-where?" in defence of yours?

I see George W. Bush winning & winning, while you sulk & sulk about trying to defend the East? especially the middle-east and even more, India/Pakistan/etc...

Thanks for the strong language warning:rolleyes:

But the video, is well edited.

Similar to the work on CBB5 and remember the injustice there...







nodisharmony :angel:

Instead of my original post picking your pathetic post apart piece by piece - the post where you talk of Bush's great electoral victory and his warm side, the side the americans see and we supposedly don't according to you - who are so ignorant of the outside world and the realities of life it would not suprise me to find out you were a shut in.

Instead I thought I would allow american television itself to manifest for you the true feelings of the majority of americans.

I go to the staes 4 times a year, for work purposes, I have friends there and meet with real people, all you do is regurgitate fascistic soundbytes from FOX news, and excuse criminalty and belittle the Bush administrations deliberate disenfranchisement of black people for party political purposes.

The only people who talk about him in the terms you do are the christian fundamentalist bible bashers and people outside of the US - clueless foreigners who can't be bothered to find out the truth.

But the one point of your I will pick up is this.....

That is so deluded and blind it ranks as the most pig ignorant thing you have ever written.

The Bush administration condones and accepts torture, it changed the law to allow it - it no longer adheres to the Geneva Convention regarding torture - thats a fact easily checkable.

You ask why don't the iraqis surrender ??

Well, if this country was invaded, I would - as the saying goes - take to the hills.

Then wage, along with other like minded souls - and there would be plenty, a campaign of harrassment, sabotage and yes, killings - because that is what happens when your country is invaded. that is called a resistance movement - strange that we praise the Dutch and the French, and others - yet your kind is suprised when a bunch of arabs do what we did in the west when we were invaded -

Oh thats right, how dare those brown people refuse to submit - its jolly indecent of them not to know when they are beaten.

I would stop fighting when the invaders were repelled or I was dead, and to go back and compare them, in you I see collaboration -


theres more than a touch of the Vichy about your comments



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehmw3dJ2YbM

Yes, americans certainly are in love with Bush -

http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/201866



:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Allow me to finalise this debate with one cumulative concluding question...

Noo-gar, or Nugget ?

You are getting things all wrong again. Perhaps a bit of clarification to what I have said on this matter.

When you live in the USA and watch their many News channels. There is always plenty of talk about the President and many things that he does, aside the War in Iraq.

This is something which the President has sadly had to deal with and Tony Blair is right by his side.

But anyway, like I was saying. George W. Bush has many other things on his mind. Trying to run his own country and dealing with, Crime, Education, Health, etc, etc, etc.... The list is virtually endless.

He will be involved in helping a lot of good Americans and this will be & is noticed.

How do you think he managed a 2nd term in office Spacebandit?

You keep going on about one State in America, "Ohio", you keep going on about vote-fixing. But it still doesn't wash and the President, George W. Bush is reigning again on his 2nd term in office.

He must have got many, many votes from happy American's who believe in him and have seen good evidence, that he was very just in invading Iraq & that the continuation of the War is essential.

The troops that choose to goto Iraq, must also believe in the cause and fight for the USA and fight to gain peace for the West. Infact, all over the world, from that threat of terror.

All your other typical-spacebandit comments about me, I shall ignore in this reply:rolleyes:

It is very nice of you to include a lovely Youtube video link, which runs right up your street. Totally making those who wish to watch it, believe it. Also including your great knowledge on the matter at hand.

Those who really know how to put things into words and also, plant the right/wrong type of message across in a certain way, can really do damage and nobody would dare underestimate that, which I can certainly see before my eyes.

It's nice to hear that you go to the USA 4 times a year Spacebandit:rolleyes: It is also nice to hear that you have friends there to. Don't forget to mention your friend over here, "nodisharmony", oh, I forgot.....(We are NOT friends):laugh::laugh:

It is also nice to hear, that you have met with "real people". I guess that means "people who think like yourself", right?

That is the food for egomania.

None of those comments make any sense, as-per-usual:rolleyes:

You are outside the US, am I right or am I right?:rolleyes:

Don't be so sure of yourself on the opinions of others. I wouldn't be so quick to assume, that it is people outside the USA who think that way either.

whatever:puzzled:



You have said similar things before Spacebandit and I am sure you'll find something again.

But I carry on regardless to point out the errors which you continually make, just like you try to, but "relentless" is a powerful word and you know it's meaning in both places:wink:

but we shall proceed below:wink:

I was talking about War-Crimes. I am talking about USA troops who have un-necassarily tortured an Iraqi for their own pleasure.

I have seen this on Sky News and those American troops who have been caught doing this WILL face prosecution in the USA & be held accountable.

If the troops capture someone who has a gun in his hand or is very much a known criminal and has information which may be necassary for the USA to acheive their goal, then what you say could be true. But only in that instance.

There is a balance to all of this and you are amplifying it, which creates bad propaganda for the USA, which is what you seem to do well.

The Geneva Convention was made a long time ago now & the problem with old-rules & regulations that were made then, is that times change and what is more important to stop?

1) A threat of possible WMD's coming our way?

2) Allowing a Mad-Man Saddam Hussain rule Iraq?

3) A threat to peace & harmony in general?

If one or more of the rules of the Geneva Convention have been broken by the USA, then it is unfortunate, but essential under the circumstances, which were caused by the original threat which was made.

This is a delicate situation, which is very hard to get-to-grips-with and War is War and when Iraqi's run out into the street with a gun and shoot to kill, to protect their Country, it is what they have chose to do

But, let us look at Germany & Hitler and the way things were for them.

If Hitler had succeeded, he would have killed all the Jewish people straight away or tortured them.

He was a Mad-Man, like Saddam Hussain and you should be more than versed on what he was like.

We don't need another Hitler thanks..

What we have before us, is a man:- (George W.Bush) who is nothing like Hitler or Saddam, we have a man who will be happy to take care of the inhabitants of Iraq, who choose to trust George W. Bush and understand that all he wants is peace.

Nobody needs to get hurt, if they understand his goal.

Nobody is going to be treated like Hitler or Saddam wishes to treat people.

He is not a Mad-Man, like you seem to paint the man.

The American way is much different and if they started to treat people in Iraq, "Once they've won the War", like Hitler or Saddam, then it would get back to the voters in the USA and Gordon Brown certainly doesn't wish to be part of being like that either.

It is better to comply, than die...

Remember Saddam's statue being toppled in Iraq?

George W. Bush is going to offer those who wish to comply, a much better life.

The money that George W. Bush makes from those Oil-Fields can go a long way, to helping pay for the War and helping the Iraqi people.

Also, thousands of American troops will have to stay there to insure that safety is kept.

Like you say, there will always be a resistance hiding away.

It is a long drawn out War and George W. Bush & Gordon Brown have to be relentless, as Vietnam must NOT happen again.

No time for futility

War is War and this debate is about Iraq.

If it was a debate about the Dutch or the French, then I would debate that.

The "Your Kind", don't wash & you should know that:rolleyes:

If a majority "White" country made a threat against the USA, they would act accordingly.

But once again Spacebandit, it always seems to be in the middle-eastern Countries were War is going on and much of that is without the intervention from George W. Bush or even his predesessors

There is the USA with it's might & power.

How many nuclear weapons do they have?

You want to run to the hills, yes?

(Kiss goodbye to your life, then...:xyxwave:) George W. Bush is NO Hitler or NO Saddam.

He is NOT interested in making innocent Iraqi's or anyone else in the middle-east lives hell.

It is a form of cleansing.

Take "Libya", for instance.. They are cooperating fine:bigsmile:


My comments say quite a bit.

You can learn a lot, when you understand the American way and the just for peace.

If the Countries in the middle-east begin to understand that George W. Bush and his Country are only trying to acheive World-peace and goodwill to all mankind, they could learn a thing or two.

You see it as a money-venture and Oil-fields.

You've been reading MUCH too MUCH negativity...

If you lived in America, you'd be considered a traitor.

The UK is running side-by-side with George W. Bush on this.

We didn't help with Vietnam, did we?

the USA didn't help us with the Falklands, did they?

But against Iraq, we are all behind, or are we:puzzled:




Nice video, but it's same-old-same-old:rolleyes:






nodisharmony :angel:

Nugget most definitely. :thumbs:

And on that note, there is an abundance of Nuggets in TiBB. :laugh:

Already covered - you just ignore the checkable facts and barrel away seemingly with a kind of myopic autism, and yet still make no sense as you have no idea what you are talking about - very parrot-esque



and Kim in North Korea, the self styled "Great Leader" - he is as bad with the added bonus of actually having WMD - so why doesnt he get the Saddam treatment ?


I took you question YOU asked about why they don't surrender and gave a comparison that is never questioned by the likes of you as being wrong. So by your standard the French and Dutch Resistance fighters in WW2 were fools who should have surrendered. Point noted


Thanks to Bill Clinton and a regime of sanctions, and very very little military action - certainly no hundreds of thousands of dead civilians. If you are going to use an argument at least research it first. That argument is utter buffoonery



More ignorant buffoonery, Britain advised the United States in 1961 not to get involved militarily in Vietnam, in 1962 the UK foreign secretary warned that the United States faced getting bogged down in South East Asia in exactly the same way the French had done previously - the wrning was repeated on the floor of the UN in November 1963

Unless you discount count access to bases, satellite intel, hardware and refuelling systems, high altitude recconaissance spy plane missions - then no the United States did not help in 1982, you just make stuff up don't you


and considered a traitor ?, for speaking my beliefs in a democratic country - so with that statement you accept the United States is not a free country

Or do you regard labelling people for speaking their minds as traitors acceptable in a democratic country ? - and that in a nutshell is the difference between you and me.

I believe in democracy
You believe in subjugation and oppression.
Especially of it involves brown people born on top of oil fields, and ignore all the other madmen who can defend themselves.

The fascist bullet points - duly noted.

Stropz, I agree wholeheartedly. Nugget, indeed.

Why don't you tell us all about what this has to do with Iraq?








nodisharmony :angel:

It has more to do with Iraq than some of the rubbish you spout.

You keep mentioning Ohio. Get that off your brain & look to the rest of the States of the USA, you get a much clearer picture of the massive amount of votes to the big man. The one at the very top:wink:




Okay, I shall also say "Kim" as well...(Just for you:wink:)

What treatment get's handed out, will be decided when the time is right. "Kim" might be cooperating more than you think.



I am not going to go down the path you wish to follow, which always heads to the West.

Open a debate on the French or Dutch resistance fighters, and I may oblige.


Libya is more cooperative and won't end up like Iraq, who had a Mad-Man in control.

This is where problems happen, when people refuse to talk peace or are made out as liars. You know the type:wink:

Some important people in the USA are very clever & can catch out people like Sadam quite easily.

He's not the only one either..




Very astute Spacebandit:thumbs:

But, I was on about "Joining in the fight". Troops from the USA jumping into action to help the lovely United Kingdom get back the Falklands.

The same thing applied to Vietnam.

Regardless of agreements etc... Which you have pointed out, which is handy information, thankyou:thumbs:


You can say anything you like Spacebandit, even be racist:laugh::laugh:

But, many would consider your comments and views rather bad, but some will agree. But also, it could be deemed much less, which I was kind to point out:thumbs:

The difference between you & me is *****

More silly babyish comments, with more than a childish tone to them in a cryptic attacking form.

Keep going on about not getting your own way and pointing that big arrow in my direction and keep adding "Brown, Black, Red, Yellow people", I've heard it before & I'll hear it again, YES???

You brought the "Oil" thing up and I gave you my educated opinion.







nodisharmony :angel:

Some people in this thread need to read the rules about not making personal remarks against other forum users.

I bet Iraqi's eat Nougat?

Also, extended double metaphor, oooh... y'see, Iraq is the goldnugget of the oil World.

I have a cute idea... how about you now tell us what Jade Goody has to do with Iraq? :spin2:

I think Iraqi's eat Noo-gar actually Lauren. They aren't as common as us. :thumbs:

Ahhh, Thanks for the clarification Lauren:thumbs:

God-Nugget-Oil-World-Iraq That sorts it right out......:rolleyes:

Jade Goody is a private joke with the Spacebandit and for me, "well", do I need to tell you??:wink:







nodisharmony :angel:

And spice girls? Another inside joke? :tongue:

The secret underworld of the TiBB poster. The mind boggles.

YAY, Spice Girl's....They'd beat those damn Iraqi's in a song contest:laugh::laugh:







nodisharmony :angel: