It's not a political message.:joker:

Parm would give away half the country if we were invaded. Said so himself. Wouldn’t pay that much attention to his patriotic nonsense.

What parm said was, he would give up the whole nation if it kept his family safe.

such aggression, calm down lads its only a game :shrug:

The mere fact you thought that was aggressive kinda proves my point :joker:

No need to snap, lets keep the discourse friendly

no need to get another thread shut down

The baity threads do need to stop

Rangers have described the display by supporters of an anti-woke banner at their Europa League game against Fenerbahce - and which has led to a disciplinary charge from Uefa - as "shameful" and "embarrassing".

The Scottish Premiership club also hit out at the throwing of objects on to the pitch, and the continued use of pyrotechnics, saying fans who carry out such acts are not welcome at their matches.

While thanking most supporters for their recent backing during games against the Turkish side and Celtic, Rangers state, external it is "deeply saddening and frankly embarrassing that the club is now set to face significant sanctions for the actions of a very small minority".

The banner displayed at Ibrox during Thursday's aggregate win over Fenerbahce stated: "Keep woke foreign ideologies out - defend Europe."

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significant sanctions

:joker:

Tbf, Glenn's right that Sport is a hobby from a viewers perspective.

Admittedly it's less so for the Athletes themselves.

It kind of is tbf.

It wasn't my intention for any arguments to breakout on here.

Admittedly I did make the thread title a bit clickbaity to get the topic some attention, but I am still hoping for the discussion to be civil on both sides.:fc:

But yeah, I like my conflict more on TV rather than on here or irl personally.

i mean i myself am fed up about the whole anti-turkiye haters against my team Fortuna Sittard, especially on certain forums in my nation, they have quite a xenophobic title for their club thread :idc:


i am happy with our current owner Isitan Gun, well co-owner, since Azerion also have shares here


he also doesn't cause controversies with throwing too much money into the club, which the KNVB doesn't like, we are on their radar tbh, so we need to be careful not to turn into a Vitesse 2.0 but thankfully our director of football Americo Branco is quite creative in finding free agents, players with expiring contracts




but honestly, haters gonna keep hating, and we are solidly in a 8th place this season, even still very much in with a chance european ticket play offs



also the atmosphere from our fans is one of the competitions best i think, even our away fans, never cause too many problems unlike the hooligans from Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV or ADO Den Haag

btw we even have someone famous among our hardcore fans

top road cyclist Tom Dumoulin, and he is not even from Sittard, but from Maastricht, but he is a hardcore fortuna fan, with scarf and everything :cool:

LT exposed

It is if you make a point not wearing one when you are in the public eye.


But other than that there is nothing political about wearing a badge to commemorate the war dead.

just about everything in life is a political message and when you get a large group that collects together to support or attack a message, then it most certainly is political

Wearing the Poppy or not is a Political statement either way.

For most people anyway, you might get the odd person that just forgets to wear one due to stressful things being on their mind.

But that isn't the majority.

Pray tell what the political msg is, or what side of the political spectrum the poppy lays..


Or just keep reciting to yourself that wearing one is political until you realise how daft it sounds.

The whole poppy thing is political. It's the government begging for money to look after our ex servicemen rather than funding it directly from the government coffers. I don't think anything could be more political than that

Well the fact that the Poppy's existence is largely owed to two World Wars is proof that it has political elements as to why someone would wear it in the first place.

Don't get me wrong I am not an anti-Poppy person, but there is political reasons as to why someone would choose to wear one, and like a lot of political messages there is a lot of societal pressure that you do have to wear one, otherwise you're the devil incarnate in some people's eyes.

I get that it's a message that you personally agree with (I personally have no issues with that,) but if an LGBT flag is political (which it is tbf) then how is the Poppy also not political?

Your post explained it a lot better than mine did.

I'm really bad at explaining my point on here sometimes, especially this morning for some reason.:laugh:

Mock, I have told you before. 3 pints of Guinness does not constitute a good breakfast:nono:

(you should also have a slice of toast)

A charity called the royal british legion, provide and sell the poppies. All money goes to service personnel who need it..


Does the government own the RBL?



No, the government does not own the Royal British Legion; it is a charity governed by a Board of Trustees.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Independent Charity:
The Royal British Legion (RBL) is a registered charity, meaning it is an independent organization that relies on donations and fundraising efforts to support its work.
Board of Trustees:
The RBL is governed by a Board of Trustees, who are responsible for the overall management and control of the charity.
Patronage:
The RBL is honored to have His Majesty King Charles III as its Patron.
Purpose:
The RBL provides financial, social, and emotional support to members and veterans of the British Armed Forces, their families, and dependants.
Campaigning Organization:
The Legion is also a campaigning organization that promotes the welfare and interests of current and former members of the British Armed Forces.

And that's what an LGBT-armband is?