Originally Posted by BBXX (Post 11680416)

There is evidence of women killing men, but if I spent my time pretending the biggest threat to men's safety was women, people would rightly have something to say.

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo (Post 11680425)

Its not a competition :shrug:

Originally Posted by BBXX (Post 11680428)

Not only have you not made any points in this thread, you're also missing other peoples. Good work!

Originally Posted by BBXX (Post 11680352)

And that should raise alarm bells. The media and politicians have led people to believe the biggest risks to civilians are trans woman, who are around 0.13% of the population and illegal immigrants, who make up about 1% of the population.

They are two groups with little to no legislative or political power or influence, and yet they are the people who are a risk to our society - apparently. It’s called misdirection.



A couple of questions - have you watched the clip of them asking for donations and have you researched what the charity in question does?

Campaigning for fairness for trans women in women’s sports is one part of the many things that charity does - another aspect for example is ensuring lesbians (women) feel safe, included and supported in sports clubs. They do this because less than half of lesbians feel sports clubs are a welcoming, inclusive place and therefore 2/3rds lesbians who want to be active are taking part in non-sports physical actively. Part of their campaigning is to change that. Sounds great for women, right?

The woman at the end speaking about the donations didn’t ever specifically mention trans people in women’s sports. Yet here we are, talking about trans people again because the media told us they’re a problem.

Did you know a documentary was going to be made about men entering women’s sports teams and the producers found it so difficult and didn’t find any men to go through the 3 years of medical treatments that instead they made it a piece of fiction.

If a thing people are complaining about has to be created as a work of fiction, how much of an issue actually is it?

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11680436)

To bring it back to the original topic which is the disrespect shown to Tracey Edwards by some of the cast you can see the video here

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/b83...01a075cdab6040

Originally Posted by BBXX (Post 11680438)

Still nothing mentioned about trans people specifically…just about building an inclusive, active and equal world through an LGBTQ+ charity who campaigns for men, women and trans people.

Inaccurate thread title. I am thinking:

Young woman criticised for charity drive that aims to make sport a more enjoyable place for men, women and trans people alike.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11680444)

There is no need to mention LGBTQ at all, just make an announcement that you are collecting for womens sport, why specifically single out LGBTQ, lesbians aren't disadvantaged in womens sport are they?

Originally Posted by BBXX (Post 11680449)

Sports teams can be an intimidating scenario for many people, but particularly for LGBT people. It's not playing the sport, it's finding the accessibly sport in which you feel safe.

• Over half of lesbians think sports teams are not very inclusive.
• Lesbians are more likely than other LGBT+ groups to identify cost as a barrier to joining a team.
• Only 39% of lesbians are choosing to participate in traditional team sports
• Bisexual women are more likely than other LGBT+ groups to see self-consciousness, cliquey teams and a lack of time as barriers to team sports.
• only 38% of bisexual women agree that sport is a very inclusive activity.

There is something major that has been overlooked in all of this - probably because anyone ranting about this has done little to no research before having their opinion - is that while Pride Sports will to an extent be fighting against banning trans women from joining women sports, one of their main aims as a charity is to help help promote and work with teams specifically for trans women (and other LGBT people), as well as all-inclusive teams where members can be gay, lesbian, bi, straight, man, woman or trans. They literally promote and help what all of you ask for: teams for trans people separate to that of women-only teams.

This is an amazing thing for sport and an amazing thing for people who find it difficult to get into sport because they worry their sexuality or gender identity will be a blocker.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11680452)

Could you link the source because the reality seems to be a bit different from a poll, is it the Pink News?

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11680452)

Could you link the source because the reality seems to be a bit different from a poll, is it the Pink News?

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11680453)

Dragging it back to the topic in hand once again

Ms Edwards has been public with her opposition to the inclusion of transgender women – biological males – in women’s competitions and changing rooms.

I think the agenda was very clear here

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 11680456)

You said in the he same post that they want trans women in women's sport? If it was about a separate league for transwomen I wouldn't have an issue at all. I would actively fight alongside the activists actually. It's only when it's womens sports/spaces being invaded that I have an issue.

Originally Posted by BBXX (Post 11680458)

It's stayed on topic. They were collecting for a charity which works with all-inclusive and LGBT sports teams to create safe, welcoming environments for LGBT who want to play sports. The kind of sports teams you specifically ask for.

Yet it's still a problem, and just about trans people, and just about trans women entering into women's sports - even though that was never mentioned - because, well because the Telegraph told you it was.

Originally Posted by BBXX (Post 11680459)

I said they of course will speak against banning trans women from women's sports but they also help and work with teams that welcome and are created specifically for trans people, or LGBTQ+ people.

They deliver what you ask, yet it's an issue because you fixate on their opinion on one topic.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11680460)

So you don't think Ms Edwards gender critical views had any impact on the decision for this statement at the end of the show...yes or no?

As far as I can see The Telegraph are reporting the facts backed up by video evidence and Ms Edwards thoughts on this issue ....not sure what has been manufactured here

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11680463)

BTW I would welcome a separate category for transsports, it would particularly benefit transmen who basically cannot compete

Time the community started fighting for this instead of trying to piggy back off womens hard fought rights

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo (Post 11680465)

It would never happen as it is about cheating and cheating only

plus the usual tiresome power dynamic misogyny

Originally Posted by BBXX (Post 11680464)

The video evidence that makes no mention of trans people entering women's sports yet the whole article is about that :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo (Post 11680470)

"This charity publicly opposed moves to ban transgender women from female competitions, including the FA’s new rules barring trans players from women’s and girls’ football leagues."

Originally Posted by BBXX (Post 11680471)

Was that said in the video?

I already said the charity speak about out that, but they also do many other things. Have you even been on their website? Their main content is promoting LGBT sports teams :skull: