Do you like ziggy or not, because you are defending him..and if you do like him, then why are you a member of the anti-ziggy club? :conf:

I do like Ziggy now, the Anti Ziggy club was made when Chanelle was still in, and I didnt like him with Chanelle but I think he changed alot since then.

Chanelle leaving was the best thing that could happen for him, he might have a few haters (Chanelle fans mainly) but he's now one of the lads and enjoying himself more with the likes of Brian & Liam.

Hes one of my faves atm, *goes to delete self from Anti Ziggy club*

I still dislike him - regardless of his behaviour now, he still treated Chanelle and other housemates horribly.

Yes, I would agree that if someone started screaming at the top of their lungs for no reason would have been crucified...but then again there was reason.

Chanelle isn't the most articulate of the bunch. She couldn't calmly tell Ziggy and the rest of the housemates exactly what Ziggy had been saying between the two of them. Everytime they were alone Ziggy would question their relationship, trying to say things to Chanelle that would make her dump him so as he would not look to be the bad guy in dumping her but as we've all seen it's gone horribly wrong.

He was a decent guy, but in trying to be Mr Nice and being aware of having to set a good image he made everything just so much worse for both himself and Chanelle.

Does anyone remember their first break up? Instead of Ziggy just being a man and finishing it with some dignity, he tried to turn it on Chanelle saying he was doing it for her good. Now I would have just been happy if he'd have just been honest and said he just didn't want the relationship to go further, but to say the motive is something else is deceitful and just wrong.

The rest of the time in the house, he would voice the age-old clichés of "Oh, I can't win either way" and "I'm being made to look like the bad guy" and words to that effect to get sympathy for him as of course, other housemates will not say anything to upset the guy (not to his face anyway) like "Well, we could see it wasn't going anywhere, and if you felt that bad, you shouldn't have continued with it".

He's very aware of the camera. Just after Chanelle left, he left his "message of regret", but if you believe in Psychology studies behind micro-body language, you can tell from his eyes he wasn't being truthful about being sad she's gone. I mean, on the day she was supposed to have left and he was in the garden, he was giving away some rather chuffed smiles at the fact that he was finally free.

I dunno, I guess it's like the Charley thing that when you know someone's a bitch (or a liar in Zigs case) you just notice more of a certains behaviour as being bitchy (or being deceitful) that I otherwise would have.

Thing is, the guys a people pleaser. That's why he's in the house to get back some of his lost fame. He started off well, but if he would have just been less of a people pleaser and did what was morally right, then most people would have brushed his crumbled relationship as "just one of those things in life" rather than the "Ziggy the love rat" some tabloids and painting him out to be.

you guys are insane...like Chanelle. He saw he had made a BIG mistake with a crazy, unstable woman and tried to get out. She had her claws in him deep though. Yes I felt sorry for him, for all the heartache that little harlot gave him - all he wanted to do was be nice.

Zig handled the Chanelle argumenet really well.I'd have swung for her. She was viscious!

Ziggy was and still is sound as a pound. The fact that their last break up was purely because Amy had entered and Chanelle was jealous right off the bat shows what a mental case Chanelle really was. She wanted to be the pretty girl of the house and instantly accused him of liking her more. Plus theres the fact that HE was always the one to apologise. He made the mistake of getting with that moron (anyone who worships Victoria Beckham is a moron tbh) and now that shes gone (:dance2:) he's alot better for it. He did really care for her but she did his nut in and it needed to end. I've always liked him and he's only ever started arguments and lost his temper with people if it was for an actual genuine reason. Not over the age of a RnB singer, god Chanelle and Charley you are hilarious.

I don't think he will win but I'm glad he's still going, Ziggy is wicked :dance2:

Totally agree with the above two statements. Great to see that other people have been watching BB closely this year and can see Chanelle for what she really is.

Exactly! But pe portrayed something different to please the audience. Well, he's got people believing it was genuine so I guess kudos to him.




True, true, very true.

No one should have to leave over a failed relationship. However, if someone brings up the point of "one of us has to leave" then that person should leave, and not imply that it should be someone else.

Although Chanelle said "I can't live with you anymore" that can just be interpreted as I cannot stand you anymore. I just don't want to be around you. I'd rather stay away from you whilst I'm in this house. However, Zig thought different. He initiated the "one of us has to leave" thing. And then to be surprised that she left, to bitch about her considering leaving the house (since he himself had considered leaving and now opened up the idea of leaving yet again, after saying "no more talk of leaving, ok?) and portray that he's been upset by it - it just doesn't make sense if he was being the slightest bit sincere.

Some nice manipulation there.

If it can be recalled, Ziggy said he would stay out of Chanelle's way throughout her whole stay if she did infact agreed not to leave. When she did stay, well, he was still around. He's all talk.

She would keep crawling back to him, what was he supposed to do?

Yep, I totally agree there, Ziggy shouldn't have said that. Though the only explanation I can offer is his utter confusion about the entire thing. The relationship he had with Chanelle was, I imagine, entirely different to the relationships he might have had on the outside..If things didn't work out, you go your seperate ways, hopefully amicably. In the house though, they're in eachothers pockets 24/7, so breaking up,without losing face is more difficult. Big Brother is a popularity contest,and some viewers expectations are a little idealistic. Making up,and breaking up are facts of life.

Yep, it could. It could be intepreted a number of ways, and Ziggy took the meaning to be, she couldn't share a house with him anymore.

I remember Chanelle bitching about Ziggy thoughts on leaving too, it was a two sided thing as far as I could see.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but Chanelle seemed quite happy being around Ziggy, sharing a bed with Ziggy, and being affectionate with Ziggy. If Chanelle was unhappy with Ziggys' company, she should have told him.

Been blatantly truthful about his feelings about not wanting a relationship with her.

Like you said, it takes two. Zig said he would stay away and one of those conditions of staying away was to say no and he had opportunities to do that.

Chanelle did p8ss me off when she started lip locking with the guy she's meant to hate to the point of leaving the house.

Ziggy has been nothing but blatantly truthful. What was he supposed to do, completely ignore her? (childish) Tie her to the bed? (unrealistic) What would you do?

Definitely not.

He should have said, "I want our relationship to finish. Just be civil with each other and nothing further, I do not want it anymore."

If someone comes back wanting to 'reform' (he likes the whole team analogy) he has the choice to say, "No".

Everyone has a choice. We can always say no to someone jumping and sucking our lips.:kiss:

Hmmm...well...I suppose he has been locked in a house with no other female company, so, I'll give him his dues in that he was just too randy to say no.

I don't like Ziggy (at all) but I was starting to feel sorry for him and annoyed by Chanelle. She cries like a baby and turns everything on him. Didn't everyone criticise Ziggy for doing that in the earlier weeks of the show? Ziggy had no choice but to dump her, she was dragging him down and he does seem happier without her.

I'd like to see you turn down someone you really like from "sucking your lips"...

You quoted my text, but seem to have mised out the last bit.