Earlier you quoted Dr King,
well, after the "stupideness" comment, I would expect him to be turning in his grave when his words are used to make a point by someone who would say such a thing and be serious about it. You appear to be affected with some kind of elitism, would you care to clarify which of the "Asians and Blacks" are stupid and which are not

Secondly - would you care to provide links to the stunning revelation that the KKK are still lynching black people today in the deep south - I'm pretty certain news organisations in the USA and our very own BBC would be happy to follow up such an exclusive revelation...link please.

the last reference to a confirmed KKK lynching I can find is from 1981, yet the perpetrators were caught and executed, so i am sure law enforcement would be grateful to receive the information also.

If you believe that then you are very naive. Sorry.


So it is ok to dislike all white people because of the actions of a few? That is racism. In the same way that i would be racist if I disliked all Asian people because I was abused by those 4 Asian lads.

I all so refuse to be blamed for something that happened a couple
of hundred years before I was born.

I can not stand the BNP and what they stand for, but I see no difference between The BNP and the Nation of Islam. They both want advancement of there own kind at the cost of others not like them.

Oh, and back to Sharpton. I take it he and "his people" have been oppressed over the years by "the Gays" so it's not surprising he does not like them too?

You found this where? Do you have a link?

Can you give some examples please to help me understand?

"You found this where? Do you have a link?"

Probably here. Not safe for work. White supremacist scum site.

http://www.skrewdriver.net/

I always have my flags out during The world cup and on St Georges day. It's the BNP who unfortunately use the English flag to front their campaign of hate.

Thanks, but I don't even want to look at that crap. I ask because I see that the OP has not taken part in this discussion at all and has mentioned stuff about "we" and "you". I wanted to know if this was a quote from a site they were looking at and what it actually is. Would be interesting to see the source. I also would like to know what the members thoughts were when starting this thread.

i remember when Geri Halliwell wore that iconic Union Jack Dress at the Brits all those years ago,she had to stitch a peace sign in the back of it to make sure people knew she wasnt being racist.

i find that ridiculous.

Everyone should be proud of and display your flag.

I got this a while back. I think the irony of a white Australian complaining about people coming to Australia and changing the way they lived was lost on them.

There is a rising resentment towards our "multicultural" immigration system. The Aussies have taken a tough stand. Seems to me we could well emulate them. Any immigrant must accept our ways,values,way of life etc. If they cant do that , don't take them in. Once accepted no dual citizenship , so they will not be Canadians of convenience that pay no taxes , don ' t espouse Canadian ways , yet expect their second passport ( OURS) to guarantee Canadian support when things go wrong and of course all the "freebies" available.
What a mess we have produced trying to be nice guys. Time to start looking out for our own.
Three Cheers For Australia.......take time to read it, HOW FANTASTIC. Canada, USA, NZ, UK are you with us?
Three Cheers For Australia
Those Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown.
Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he said on national television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary
law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option," Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country.
Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off".
"Basically, people who don't want to be Australians, and they don't want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then they can basically clear off," he said. Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
AMERICA and Canada..... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Quote: IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.
However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.
This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the language!
Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push but a fact because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home. Because God is part of our culture.
We will accept your beliefs and will not question why, all we ask is that you accept ours and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.
If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means keep your culture but do not force it on others.
This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, "THE RIGHT TO LEAVE".
If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here.
You asked to be here, so accept the country YOU accepted.
Pretty easy really, when you think about it. I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends it will also, sooner or later get back to the complainers, lets all try, please.

PLEASE PASS THIS ON. PERHAPS WE CAN CREATE A GROUND SWELL AND SEND OUR POLITICIANS THE MESSAGE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF US BELIEVE AS THE AUSSIES DO.........

And how do you know that I have not been the victim of racism? You assume that I can't have been, because I'm white?

What about all the racist groups that Dr43%er mentioned? What about the white victims of racist attacks? Clearly, you don't really know what you are talking about.

I'm sorry for what happened to your father, because of a racist minority. However, by people such as yourself and your father assuming that all or most white people are racist, you are not only showing yourself to be racist and naive, but you are helping to keep racism alive and well.

You say that black people and Asians are only fighting because of stupidity, and not racism? Could you please show what this opinion is based on? Because it seems that it is simply based on the fact that it suits what you're saying.

You say that because of what people have suffered at the hands of SOME white people, then it's okay to hate all white people and label them all as racists? Soooo....if a black person or an Asian person commits a crime against me, I can assume that they are racist and that from now on I will hate all black and Asian people?

You are basically saying that only white people can be racist. That in itself is a prejudicial and racist comment. Not only that, but your entire post shows that you are neither intelligent nor mature enough to debate the subject properly.

I suggest you go and check your facts.

Oh, and seeing as how you conveniently ignored my question - do you know how many white people have been murdered in racist attacks, in recent years?

It's the government that have made racism what it is today.
They don't see it as we see it.

At my school, there is a girl who is Asian, and a girl who is White, both of them have their noses pierced but the girl who is Asian is allowed to wear hers whereas the girl who is White, was told to take hers out. They are both the same age. Racial favouritism goes on in my school because it is easier for someone from an Ethnic background to play the racism card.

clearly not alot!!!

And this is based on? Facts? Guess work? Because it's obvious as black people can't be racist?

I am genuinely interested as to where you have got this information from. Can you post a link please.

Was not saying I agree with it at all Baz, just saying it appears acceptable not worded very well

Examples are
http://www.mosaicbrighton.org.uk/ this is the kind of thing I was on about, it seems its fine to have this kind of group but were we to start a white only kind of site similar we would be branded racists

about the stupidness comment i'm talking about the british blacks and asians which are in gangs and fighting each other over nothing but just to look good in front of their peers so i don't know what that has to do with martin luther king as you clearly say it does!

And why do you think it is groups of blacks and asians? Are you saying it has nothing to do with race what so ever?

so your telling me that there has been more white racist killings than black and asians killings in britain i don't think so as for example stephen lawrence who was stabbed by a gang of whites for no bloody reason and have they found the killer/s no cos the police was to busy trying to find out if stephen was a member of a gang etc people who saw the killers running from the crime scene and yet the police haven't done anything about it, all i'm saying is yeah there has been some white racist killings but DEFINETLY not more than black and asians killings!!!

And just what I wanted. At no point have I said that more whites were murdered by blacks. When asked how many you thought had been killed, it was you that said it was "clearly not a lot" I just wanted to know where you got these clear facts from.

As you can/will not give me your source will Home office figures suffice?



"Racial murders: nearly half the victims are white


Home Office release official figures as police claim that political correctness is stifling the debate

Antony Barnett, investigations editor
Sunday October 22, 2006
The Observer

Nearly half of all victims of racially motivated murders in the last decade have been white, according to official figures released by the Home Office.

The data, released under Freedom of Information legislation, shows that between 1995 and 2004 there have been 58 murders where the police consider a racial element played a key part. Out of these, 24 have been where the murder victim was white.

The disclosure will add to the intense debate over multiculturalism in British society. The figures also overturn the assumption that almost all racial murders are committed against ethnic minority victims.

Article continues
Senior police officers have admitted that 'political correctness' and the fear of discussing the issue have meant that race crime against white people goes under-reported. One chief constable has claimed that white, working-class men are more alienated than the Muslim community.

Peter Fahy, the Chief Constable of Cheshire and a spokesman on race issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said it was a fact that it was harder to get the media interested where murder victims were young white men.

'The political correctness and reluctance to discuss these things absolutely does play a factor', he said. 'A lot of police officers and other professions feel almost the best thing to do is try and avoid it for fear of being criticised. We probably have all got ourselves into a bit of state about this.

'The difficulty in the police service is that the whole thing is being closed down because we are all afraid of discussing any of it in case we say the wrong thing - and that is not healthy.'

Racial violence in Britain has become the subject of intense scrutiny since the public inquiry in 1999 into the murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence. Most of the high-profile cases of hate crime have been focused on young blacks, including Damilola Taylor and more recently Anthony Walker, who was murdered with an axe at a Liverpool bus stop by white youths.

Yet these latest official figures give the most complete picture of racially motivated murders in the UK, revealing the situation to be much more complex. In March 2004 a white Scottish teenager, Kriss Donald, was bundled into a car while walking in the Pollokshields area of Glasgow. He was later beaten, stabbed 13 times, and set on fire. British Pakistani Daanish Zahid was found guilty by unanimous verdict of the charges of racially aggravated murder.

In the same year Christopher Yates, 30, a white man, was beaten to death in an assault by a group of drunken Asian youths as he walked home in Barking, east London.

Politicians and the authorities often face difficulty in raising the issue of racial attacks on white victims for fear that far-right extremists will try to exploit such events to stir up racial tensions."

I didn't say you were agreeing to it, I just wanted an example of what you were referring to. I got it now thanks.

it's okay Baz, I think wording in my first post was confusing

I'll assume that means that you haven't got a clue then.:rolleyes:

And not only that, you are not interested in finding out either, seeing as you hold the frankly stupid belief that only white people can be racist.

By the way - here's a bit of advice for you: if someone doesn't like you, you needn't assume that it's because of the colour of your skin; it's probably your attitude.

Leigh - are you able to provide ANYTHING to back up what you are saying? I'm guessing not.

Great debate

The racists are all coming out of the closet now...

Maybe we should start a similar thread about Homosexuals and see all the gay-bashers making fools of themselves too.. :rolleyes: