Thanks! :)

lmao @ whoever put 12.

erm, 18.

Eighteen, but only because every other major life choice you can make seems to be at 18 now.


For example, do you think it's stupid that you could have a wife and kids who are 2 years old before you can go in and see an 18 film? I certainly think so.

However, if it's simply a matter of maturity, then I think it just comes down to each individual person. It's a difficult thing to judge, but I think if you're emotionally and physically mature enough to, you should be able to. Obviously you can't really judge that by law, but that's just what I think.

I'm quite shocked. Is the chart in date ? , I mean surely a 50 year old man can't legally have sex with a 13 year old girl in Spain can they ?? And then across the border in Portugal it's 21.!!

Surely the European Parliament would have applied serious pressure on Spain to change this. There must be some restrictions or something otherwise it would attract all the wrong sorts, would it not ?? :yuk: :conf:

The Sapnush culture is well different than ours and than yours. That's just a question of culture after all.

Our cultures are not so different though. I have spent much time in Spain, Portugal and France and feel we all have a very European way of life.
It just really shocked me , and having looked into it a little more I found out that only last year the law was changed from 12yrs to 13 yrs!!

However it was also a relief to find that there are all sorts of caveats to this law.

From Wikipedia:

'However, if deceit is used in gaining the consent of a minor under 16 years an individual can be charged under Article 183(1) upon parental complaint'.


Personally I still don't think this goes far enough as the parent has to make a complaint and is not always going to be in a position to do so, given that many youngsters would not discuss this type of event with their parents anyway.

So I remain somewhat shocked, although I am not completely against the idea of two under sixteens having a physical relationship where both have an above average level of maturity.

I think that when discussing sex in someone as young as 13 it is important to remember that not only are STD's an issues to consider but it is also known that it carries a higher risk of developing cervical cancer in later life if you become sexually active at too young an age.

I can not accept that a 13 year old has the ability to make a fully informed decision about consent to sex. no matter how mature a young person may seem.

If it is a known fact that there is a higher risk of developing cervical cancer in later life for these youngsters then that just makes it all the more shocking and each government should be held accountable for their own laws on consent.

And just to clarify that when I stated that I was not completely against the under sixteens having physical relationships, I am not really referring to 12 and 13 year olds but more of the 15 year olds , some of who are more developed both physically and mentally than some 17 year olds.

I do agree that 13 is just way too young in all circumstances.

I understood what you were saying J.C I didnt think you suggested that 13 was an appropriate age for children for that is what they are to be having sex.

i think it all depends on the individual,the person your having sex with and the situation tbh.I mean I lost mine when I was and I diddnt really know all that much about sex or std`s.Basically all i had been told was that you must use a condom or you will pregnant.
That is the extent of the sex education i recieved in school and I think we had like one sex ed lesson the whole time i was in secondary school.I just kinda picked everything up from my mates and experience,ya know-concering the pill and stds and what not.We had none of that explained by the school and my parents never discussed it with me either.

For the individual, everyone usually says it from THEIR point of view and announces that it depends on the person...

And that it should be whatever age you feel ready.

But for the good of the planet/nation [what the laws are there for.], this is a bad idea, as I honestly think younger people aren't in a well enough frame of mind/level of maturity to make such decisions properly by themselves.

Not to mention all the negative situations that come with younger people having sex, such as an even lower average age of teen pregnancies. Which is something we really don't need.

i honestly think that the age of concent has nothing to do with the number of teen pregnancies though.I think there mainly due to daft,little teens who think it wont happen to them or who dont use protection becuase their under the influence of drugs or alcohol or becuase there bf pursuades them not to use a condom.

Exactly, and do we want those "daft" little teens knowing they're actually allowed to have sex? No...

As then there would be plenty more of them having sex.
They also wouldn't be considered daft either, because they'd be allowed to have sex how and when they want.

[if drugs were legal, more people would take them...if younger sex was legal, more people would do it, simple as that.]

So you yourself are proving you think younger people are getting pregnant due to them being daft, daft means they're too young to be having responsible sex, which means you agree that the age of consent shouldn't be when you "think" you're ready =]

yeah but i dont think that just becuase we said to younger kids 'hey you can legal sex' that more of them would choose to do it.

Some responsible people, or sensible people decide to follow the law, or at least slightly stick to it...

So they honestly don't have sex before the legal age of sixteen because of that, or are influenced to have sex later on because of the law.

So if the law was a lower age, those people would feel at ease about having sex younger. It's allowed, so it must be right, and the law says you're mature enough to have sex.

Some people really do think carefully about when it's appropriate to lose their virginity...and mainly base it on waiting til they're legal. And think to themselves "im sixteen and legal now, perhaps I should start thinking about having sex? especially before im laughed at by all my mates for being an older virgin."

well yeah i know they do i was one of them
But surely its more about being with the right person,taking precautions and feeling 100% comfortable with it.

Well that's what it should be about, I agree...
I wish everyone could take the time to do that, especially boys who just seem to rush around desperately finding somewhere to "insert" themselves.

Although now women have equal rights, a lot of girls have started behaving just as badly as boys nowadays, which is contributing to even more people just randomly having sex with the first person who comes along, especially when they're too young.

yeah i agree with that.I mean i had a close group of about 7 female friends when i was about 14/15 and 2 of us got into pretty seriosu relationships one including myself.Then the other girls suddenly started going around saying 'I want to loose my virginity'.
I think thats so bizzare,reguardless of wether id been in the relationship or not i would never have actually admitted to or even thought at age 14 'I want to loose my virginity'.Its so stupid imo.

Lol! I was in the exact same situation...
I got in a three year serious relationship at 15, my friend Ben was dating my girlfriends best mate, so we went on double dates all the time. Anyhow, every single other mate of mine was going on about just wanting to have sex with anyone and everyone.

Then they proceeded to tell detailed stories of the "nearly having sex" experiences they'd had in the past. I won't go into detail, but they were pretty disgusting and obviously all lies! lol.

*Thinks back to all the Jeremy Kyle and other chat show episodes where 12/13yr olds come on and tell their mums they're having sex with random strangers whilst drunk and performing oral sex for boys in the street because it makes them feel loved*

What a messed up world we live in >_<

lol thats what my friends were like,giving all the details.It was like ok,do i really need to know this.It was as if they thought they were great just becuase they`d lost their virginity to the first boy who looked twice at them.Looking back they were so immature

lol thats what my friends were like,giving all the details.It was like ok,do i really need to know this.It was as if they thought they were great just becuase they`d lost their virginity to the first boy who looked twice at them.Looking back they were so immature

lol thats what my friends were like,giving all the details.It was like ok,do i really need to know this.It was as if they thought they were great just becuase they`d lost their virginity to the first boy who looked twice at them.Looking back they were so immature

lol thats what my friends were like,giving all the details.It was like ok,do i really need to know this.It was as if they thought they were great just becuase they`d lost their virginity to the first boy who looked twice at them.Looking back they were so immature

lol thats what my friends were like,giving all the details.It was like ok,do i really need to know this.It was as if they thought they were great just becuase they`d lost their virginity to the first boy who looked twice at them.Looking back they were so immature

I think it is fine as it is, but if you are my daughter it should be 37 :tongue: