I Agree with you Tom thats exactly what i was about to reply with, it might of been offesnive back then, but whats important is that Ang's family do not find it offesnsive and they are black, so what rights does a white person have saying that black people are offended by it? When they are clearly not.
People need to stop thinking about wether it is offending someone, its not the dolls that should be stopped its the people viewing the doll as a negative thing that should be stopped.

Sorry but the very name of the doll, and the thread title here contains the W word which is a racist term.

It is like the N word, some people in the black community try to "reclaim it", but that still does not make it acceptable.

If you must refer to this doll, then remove the part of the word that begins with W

At work we were instructed at our diversity training, which was mandatory, that we should not criticise political correctness in any way shape or form, as it is aiming to do the right thing.

...not commenting on the "racist" name of the doll, I think that that must've been hilarious, Angie! I couldn't have not laughed, actually, I couldn't have even gone in the school!

Props to you!

Sticks why must you always be a Debbie Downer? :sad:

Racist term to you, maybe.

Obviously Angie doesn't find it racist, hence why she used it.

It's a completely subjective belief, Sticks - and you shouldn't try and hold OTHER people to YOUR beliefs.

OT: Saturday Night Live! (We shall discuss that on MSN or something)

Excuse me? LMAO

But political correctness is just silly, for example you can't say blackboard, black coffee etc instead its chalkboard and coffee without milk.

Golliwog is the name of a doll and the racist term came from that, not the other way around. If Ang doesn't find it offensive (and she is in this group of people that should be offended) then why should we say its offensive? As I said earlier it hasn't been said with malicious intent, just the name of a doll.

If anyone else posted this and Ang found it offensive, then I would be all for removing it from the thread title. Its not being used to target anyone or label anyone and its not causing any offense to black people in this thread so why should it be a problem at all?

Same!!

I wouldn't have stepped foot in the same country!! Haha! x


Must've been soooo funny Ang!

:cheer2: Angie, what a brilliant rant.
I agree with it all.

The PC brigade are hypocrites anyway. They draw the lines at what THEY themselves believe are racist terms (which is completely subjective anyway). They're applying their own beliefs to someone else, which is not only egotistical but enormously interfering and hints of megalomania.

You basically echoed my own thoughts. If Sticks deems '***' to be racist, then where do we draw the line at what isn't racist in any sense of the word? Are we expected to censor EVERY word that may possibly cause offence; including, as Ang said... monkey. What are we meant to refer to them now? So many words, if twisted, can be racist, sexist, homophobic, fatist, thinist, blondeist, hairist, tallist, shortist, individualist, xenophobic... etc etc.

It's the people that CHOOSE to twist the words that have the issue (i.e. the PC brigade, they see bad in anything) rather than the words themselves.

HERE HERE!

someone had a go at me once for saying 'black' I mean wtf!?

For the animal there is the term Simian Primate the other term refers to a group of related animals rather than a specific animal, so it is best to refer to the specific. Anyway some people use the term to refer to chimpanzees which is wrong as they belong to the apes.

Some words we used to use, but now they have been banned, the N word is the most infamous. Also not allowed is the other N word which is followed by the word Spiritual in reference to certain music of a religious nature.

The word black now according to one councillor in the US should never ever be used to refer to negative terms. In fact the term Black hole, referencing the term in astronomy for a super collapsed star is now considered racist and when a councillor who was white referred to a collections office as being a black hole, in that things just kept getting lost, he was reprimanded for being racist and asked to apologise.

If we do not watch our language, we will be censured and people have been made to resign for slips of the tongue. That is why we must be PC, to make sure we are not suddenly considered Persona non grata

Getting back to the matter in hand, during the 1970's the W word was a racist term, and being in an age of multiculturalism and valuing diversity, it is a word that we should strive to avoid.

Likewise as a matter of history, the doll was considered by many groups to be racially offensive, and that was why pressure was brought to bear on Robinsons to remove it as a logo for it's products.

Are you suggesting when we're in primary schools showing flashcards to our little 3 year old children, we show them a picture of a MONKEY (the actual term, lets not forget) and ask them to recall back 'Simian Primate'. Oh dear Sticks.

Seriously. I'm genuinely interested in where you'd draw the line then, since I didn't expect you to pander to everything.
Do you say blackboard? sugar puffs? blackhole? whiteboard? black eye?

We can twist ANY word to be racist etc... so if I list them all, are you going to avoid saying ALL of them?

Lets see... what if someone views "simian primate" to be racist, Sticks? What if someone attaches the same meaning to it as they do to monkey? Shall we stop saying that too?

I may have worded that wrong, with the way certain authorities react to the presence of such dolls, I was surprised such an action did not happen.

There was a case some years ago where a child minder lost her accreditation for possessing such a doll in a private part of her house where the children did not even go. The social worker took offence and removed her from the approved list. I think she was ordered to get rid of it, if she ever wanted to be allowed to be a child minder ever again.

As for the term to how we refer to certain racial groupings, this seems to be a minefield. The term I used was archaic, I had once heard it used by the people themselves in the USA, but as has been pointed out, is now best avoided, which now I know I will be able to do so.

Normally when referring to people I will refer to their nationality which usually reduces the faux pas count.

What a ridiculous comment!!

You're here preaching to us how "***" is offensive yet you're so wrapped up in your political correctness that you have failed to recognise that referring to black people as "coloured" or something to that effect is lawfully deemed just as racist as any other obvious racial word.

I could turn the tables here and ask for a moderator to remove that "people of colour" comment because I could see that some people in this thread may be offended by that :rolleyes:.

LOL omg! I knew I had heard it somewhere before. :blush2:

Angie - 1 Sticks - 0.

:thumbs:

Go Angie! :hello:

I have removed it from that post as it caused offence.

As I said in a previous post, I do remember it being used a long while ago, but obviously is a term that is no longer deemed acceptable.

But you of all people should know not to use the term in the first place ...

It doesn't matter whether it was once deemed inoffensive or not, it is these days as you basically keep telling us :thumbs:

Now its time to stop people from using the word "coloured". Does anyone have any suggestions? "I coloured in that picture" is now offensive because "coloured" is in there, so what can we replace it with? :joker:

LOL That was an amazing story, made me laugh for ages!

That film came out before we have the situation today where we have to be self censoring and ultra PC, or else someone will take us down.

When I heard about the case where Blackhole was criticised that did make me feel uncomfortable about using that term, possibly in favour of the term singularity.

This morning I was in a hurry to post and I could not remember which was the correct collective noun. I still can not remember where I heard it, I suspect it may have been a classic star trek, but I could be wrong on that one.

Sticks, are you genuinely saying you'd find an alternative word for anything that someone might take offence at? If someone tried hard enough, they could twist every single word in the English language to sound offensive.

I can't believe I didn't notice this thread before! :laugh3: - that's hilarious, and a genius idea, I have to add!