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xDramatick 27-09-2008 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by King
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Originally posted by Darenn
I reckon it wouldn't be too hard to find someone more successful than Leona.

We just need someone likeable, with a great voice, and someone unique. I'm sick of bland winners.
You're not setting Leona in that bland winners list, are you? Because judging by your signature you are. Nobody bland is compared to all time greats like Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey.
Just because she's compared to them vocally doesn't mean people can't find her music bland.
I think Whitney+Mariah are both fantastic, not a huge fan but they are fantastic, and I'm not denying Leona of her talent, I just personally find her music dull.

King 27-09-2008 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by Darenn
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Originally posted by King
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Originally posted by Darenn
I reckon it wouldn't be too hard to find someone more successful than Leona.

We just need someone likeable, with a great voice, and someone unique. I'm sick of bland winners.
You're not setting Leona in that bland winners list, are you? Because judging by your signature you are. Nobody bland is compared to all time greats like Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey.
Just because she's compared to them vocally doesn't mean people can't find her music bland.
I think Whitney+Mariah are both fantastic, not a huge fan but they are fantastic, and I'm not denying Leona of her talent, I just personally find her music dull.
I'm not saying that people can't find her music bland, but I can question the reasoning behind their claims. Being able to strike notes that Whitney and Mariah can automatically eliminates any reason to call her and/or her music bland. The highest percentage of contribution in music is in regards to vocals. Her live performances are flawless, even when she has tonsilitis she pulls off a magnificent presentation.

I just find it insulting (and forgive me if you think I'm targeting your music preferences) that Sam Sparro can be classified as "REAL MUSIC" where as the likes of Leona and Madonna are in bad music. I dislike Madonna a lot, but she's paved the way for lots of artists in her generation - she's not hailed as the Queen of Pop for nothing, nor is Leona compared to greats for nothing. I just don't think it's justifiable, that's all.

xDramatick 27-09-2008 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by King
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Originally posted by Darenn
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Originally posted by King
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Originally posted by Darenn
I reckon it wouldn't be too hard to find someone more successful than Leona.

We just need someone likeable, with a great voice, and someone unique. I'm sick of bland winners.
You're not setting Leona in that bland winners list, are you? Because judging by your signature you are. Nobody bland is compared to all time greats like Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey.
Just because she's compared to them vocally doesn't mean people can't find her music bland.
I think Whitney+Mariah are both fantastic, not a huge fan but they are fantastic, and I'm not denying Leona of her talent, I just personally find her music dull.
I'm not saying that people can't find her music bland, but I can question the reasoning behind their claims. Being able to strike notes that Whitney and Mariah can automatically eliminates any reason to call her and/or her music bland. The highest percentage of contribution in music is in regards to vocals. Her live performances are flawless, even when she has tonsilitis she pulls off a magnificent presentation.

I just find it insulting (and forgive me if you think I'm targeting your music preferences) that Sam Sparro can be classified as "REAL MUSIC" where as the likes of Leona and Madonna are in bad music. I dislike Madonna a lot, but she's paved the way for lots of artists in her generation - she's not hailed as the Queen of Pop for nothing, nor is Leona compared to greats for nothing. I just don't think it's justifiable, that's all.
For me, good music is being unique, standing out, being different. Obviously, everyone interprets it in different ways but I don't listen to music just for the vocals. Vocals aside, I don't find anything redeeming in Leona's music. The lyrics are typically cliche [except Bleeding Love] and I'd respect her more if she wrote them herself. The instrumental's nothing I've not heard before, and she's TOO comparable to Whitney/Mariah, and I don't like that in music. Plus, she generates radio-friendly R&B music, which I hate even more.

I don't see why you're getting so offended over it. I've made these banners for loads of people and even though I disagree with them, I've still made them. Sam Sparro is unique, has a good voice, and distinct music. His music's a lot less pleasing to the radio, and he writes a lot of his own stuff. I'm don't like Madonna either, but I'm referring to her newer stuff in my sig. Anything released by Madonna after the 90s, imo, is not good.

I don't care what people 'hail' or 'compare' artists to, because that's not how I form my opinion.

Shaun 27-09-2008 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by King
I'm not saying that people can't find her music bland, but I can question the reasoning behind their claims. Being able to strike notes that Whitney and Mariah can automatically eliminates any reason to call her and/or her music bland. The highest percentage of contribution in music is in regards to vocals. Her live performances are flawless, even when she has tonsilitis she pulls off a magnificent presentation.

I just find it insulting (and forgive me if you think I'm targeting your music preferences) that Sam Sparro can be classified as "REAL MUSIC" where as the likes of Leona and Madonna are in bad music. I dislike Madonna a lot, but she's paved the way for lots of artists in her generation - she's not hailed as the Queen of Pop for nothing, nor is Leona compared to greats for nothing. I just don't think it's justifiable, that's all.
Firstly, striking notes, in itself, isn't a magnificent feat if the notes aren't in the right place. Personally, I think Leona's vocal range is great in Bleeding Love, but it's a bit boring if all songs are vocal adventures and power-ballads. I know she's only done the one album so far, so I'll wait on future material to stereotype her.

"The highest percentage of contribution in music is in regards to vocals". I'd disagree with this point. Although they play a large part in the quality of the song, I'd put lyrics, meaning and individuality above them. Obviously some "artists" have gone OTT with the whole individuality side of music and concentrated on their image whilst just screaming random bollocks because it's different; but it's different because it's ****, and **** doesn't work.

And I have to agree with you on Madonna, sorry Darenn :tongue:

King 27-09-2008 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by Darenn
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Originally posted by King
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Originally posted by Darenn
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Originally posted by King
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Originally posted by Darenn
I reckon it wouldn't be too hard to find someone more successful than Leona.

We just need someone likeable, with a great voice, and someone unique. I'm sick of bland winners.
You're not setting Leona in that bland winners list, are you? Because judging by your signature you are. Nobody bland is compared to all time greats like Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey.
Just because she's compared to them vocally doesn't mean people can't find her music bland.
I think Whitney+Mariah are both fantastic, not a huge fan but they are fantastic, and I'm not denying Leona of her talent, I just personally find her music dull.
I'm not saying that people can't find her music bland, but I can question the reasoning behind their claims. Being able to strike notes that Whitney and Mariah can automatically eliminates any reason to call her and/or her music bland. The highest percentage of contribution in music is in regards to vocals. Her live performances are flawless, even when she has tonsilitis she pulls off a magnificent presentation.

I just find it insulting (and forgive me if you think I'm targeting your music preferences) that Sam Sparro can be classified as "REAL MUSIC" where as the likes of Leona and Madonna are in bad music. I dislike Madonna a lot, but she's paved the way for lots of artists in her generation - she's not hailed as the Queen of Pop for nothing, nor is Leona compared to greats for nothing. I just don't think it's justifiable, that's all.
For me, good music is being unique, standing out, being different. Obviously, everyone interprets it in different ways but I don't listen to music just for the vocals. Vocals aside, I don't find anything redeeming in Leona's music. The lyrics are typically cliche [except Bleeding Love] and I'd respect her more if she wrote them herself. The instrumental's nothing I've not heard before, and she's TOO comparable to Whitney/Mariah, and I don't like that in music. Plus, she generates radio-friendly R&B music, which I hate even more.

I don't see why you're getting so offended over it. I've made these banners for loads of people and even though I disagree with them, I've still made them. Sam Sparro is unique, has a good voice, and distinct music. His music's a lot less pleasing to the radio, and he writes a lot of his own stuff. I'm don't like Madonna either, but I'm referring to her newer stuff in my sig. Anything released by Madonna after the 90s, imo, is not good.

I don't care what people 'hail' or 'compare' artists to, because that's not how I form my opinion.
There's a difference between "good music" and "real music". Fair enough, good music is formed through personal opinion but real music represents the artist, the emotion portrayed through the song and the personality of the artist themselves. I don't understand what you mean by typically cliche, and Leona wrote plenty of her songs I'll have you know. It was confirmed that her previous label that she'd signed to when she wasn't a major artist have confirmed that they'll be releasing an album that she'd entirely written herself. She wrote her first song age 13, too.

What do instrumentals have to do with anything? They're not released solely as singles, are they? How can you be "too" comparable to Whitney and Mariah? They're amazing artists to be compared to. Leona and Mariah can both hit whistle register, her vocals can carry her anywhere - hence why she's pretty much world famous. The comment about producing radio friendly songs isn't very logical because they're "radio friendly" songs that sell in mass quantities. Just have to look at her sales to realise that. Real music is recognised around the world, tops Billboard and the UK charts for weeks on end.

I'm not getting offended over it, it just confuses me. And yeah, I'm just questioning peoples ideas of "real music" because I just think so many people are impressionable with really poorly written/produced music, that doesn't deserve the praise with a label of "real". Lots of artists have unique voices, and yes I'll give Sam Sparro that praise but it's been told that his unique voice has been enhanced dramatically in the studio. Same goes for such bands as Elliot Minor. Live, their vocals are good but they're not as electro as the studio enhances them to be, so to speak.

The fact that Madonna can still release music that moulds to the satisfaction of the critics and music fanatics around the world, and put on a 58 show tour in Europe, South & North of America at the age of 50 proves that she's earned her title, and should be classified as a real musician. So it isn't as good as her 90's material, but who's artists music is? Mariah's isn't. Say's enough.

King 27-09-2008 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by Shaun
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Originally posted by King
I'm not saying that people can't find her music bland, but I can question the reasoning behind their claims. Being able to strike notes that Whitney and Mariah can automatically eliminates any reason to call her and/or her music bland. The highest percentage of contribution in music is in regards to vocals. Her live performances are flawless, even when she has tonsilitis she pulls off a magnificent presentation.

I just find it insulting (and forgive me if you think I'm targeting your music preferences) that Sam Sparro can be classified as "REAL MUSIC" where as the likes of Leona and Madonna are in bad music. I dislike Madonna a lot, but she's paved the way for lots of artists in her generation - she's not hailed as the Queen of Pop for nothing, nor is Leona compared to greats for nothing. I just don't think it's justifiable, that's all.
Firstly, striking notes, in itself, isn't a magnificent feat if the notes aren't in the right place. Personally, I think Leona's vocal range is great in Bleeding Love, but it's a bit boring if all songs are vocal adventures and power-ballads. I know she's only done the one album so far, so I'll wait on future material to stereotype her.

"The highest percentage of contribution in music is in regards to vocals". I'd disagree with this point. Although they play a large part in the quality of the song, I'd put lyrics, meaning and individuality above them. Obviously some "artists" have gone OTT with the whole individuality side of music and concentrated on their image whilst just screaming random ******** because it's different; but it's different because it's ****, and **** doesn't work.

And I have to agree with you on Madonna, sorry Darenn :tongue:
When only so many artists can hit high notes as high as whistle register, it is magnificent and Leona has demonstrated that she can hit them where they're needed. Her latest song Forgive Me demonstrates again that she can mould her vocals around any genre of music, and also demonstrated it throughout the weeks of X Factor...Which she won, let me remind some people.

Without the vocals, there wouldn't be a song. That's what I'm getting at so it plays the biggest part in music. I agree that **** doesn't work, but look how Same Difference were received in the UK, they were awful and their desire of originality was their own worst enemy. They're signed on at Pontin's or something now, they've been forgotten.

maggiedoll 29-09-2008 11:49 PM

There is no way she she can win she has no personality or anywhere near if her mentor has any sense she should not go through to the live show she says she is there for her kids I dont think so if by any chance she gets to the final 2 on the night if the public have any sense they will vote for the act she is up against no matter who it is

BB_Eye 30-09-2008 06:23 AM

X-Factor is just a bit of a laugh for me. I think Rachel this year is the one who is closest to being "talented". Apart from her voice being very strong, her singing is confident and assured. On the other hand, I know that whoever wins will only bring out rubbish songs as mainstream music at large is crap.

NettoSuperstar! 30-09-2008 08:53 AM

Oh please Leona has a much better voice than Rachel I dont know what the big deal is! Rachels good but not world class

BB_Eye 01-10-2008 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by bbE
Oh please Leona has a much better voice than Rachel I dont know what the big deal is! Rachels good but not world class
I just like the fact that Rachel never hits a rough note and never sounds self-conscious or hammy. Despite Leona's obvious technical ability, she did both of these things in the auditions as do 99% of X-Factor contestants. Simon is at fault too as he often praises some very mediocre singers.


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