I'm sure there are. Hopefully no Hitler's or Shipman's lurking.

I like to think my beliefs and values make me a decent enough person. I try not to treat people in a way that would offend, BUT that doesnt make me all good.

The fact that I have a health issue that at times makes me behave terribly is not good, I can be rude aggressive and have violent outbursts. Does this make me morally corrupt? I dont control this, I have very little recollection of events but still I do them, so does that make me a bad person.

I think the problem with this type of discussion is we al have different morals and standards that we live by and we judge each others responses by our own. I suppose if we were all a little more tolerant and accepting we would judge each other less.

Something that does annoy me is how some people think if your not religious you have no morals... it doesn't take religion for me to understand how to respect people and why not to kill people!

People are only moral because of the law. The law comes from religion.

If we didn't have any rules then noone would know the difference between right and wrong.

:| Was the morally bankrupt thing directed at me?!

Just to clarify - I believe Mother Teresa was a good person, and Adolf Hitler was a bad person. My earlier point was that nobody can be entirely good or bad, for their entire life.

They might of originated from religion yeh... but if you took away religion now. The laws would stay, religion might of introduced morals but they have been passed down now, we don't need religion to be moral.

Only because its been in our culture for hundreds of years. If there was no religion in the first place then we wouldn't have rules.

Morals also aren't universal, in some parts of the world its perfectly acceptable to kill people (again to do with religion) whereas its frowned upon over here. Which culture is right?

But I do agree- you don't need to be religious to be moral. There are plenty of people who are religious but are so obsessed with spreading the word of God that they are about as immoral as you can get (e.g. America's most hated family).

You dont have to be religious Im not either but I think a lot of our values and sense of right and wrong have roots in religion and have been passed down from generation to generation without us really being aware of it

No No No not you! I cant say who but not you me lovely, you dont say anything bigoted or owt! thems who I was having a dig at, mentioning no names as yer know, wasnt from this thread anyway I was just fed up that day lol...:thumbs: You had a point no worries!

I try to be a good person. I would never deliberately hurt anyone, I do a lot for charity, and I try and be kind. I love my family and friends, and would always protect them. But nobody is perfect. Sometimes I can be intolerant of people, and I can be moody. But I recognise that, and I do try and stop myself behaving in a way that I don't like. Yeah - on the whole I think I am a decent person.

Given that he wrote the book, it obviously isn't going to depict him as pure evil.:rolleyes:

True but we are also a barbaric nation thast kills the defenceless in the form of the unborn......

The only difference between our society and that of a Hitlers society is the the chosen taget of barbarism. With Hitlet it was the jews with modern societies it the cold blooded killing of the unborn for no other reason than that of them being an inconvenience......

Slagging Hitler off is perfectly justified but alas accepting our own present barbraic actions are not......

I dont think inconvenience is THE only reason! In fact probably not even high up there on the list of reasons! how you can compare Hitler to some poor women that have made the most difficult decision they will probably ever have to make is frankly astounding