So what ? It helps people who are going through hard times.
But Science and Religion have always been rivals about this point.

Capt Remy
Hard Times do not need a Fake God.

Freedom Of Choice in the UK.

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It helps people who are going through hard times by giving them hope... false hope.

Some may argue that false hope is better than no hope at all, but each to their own :flower:

Oh yeah so you think you know more about it than me, who's been living here for the past 20 years ? Right.

And there are Integrists like everywhere. France is a free religion country for a very long time. The Government doesn't have any link with religion and doesn't sponsor it. We don't teach religion at school unlike a certain country (begins by Great and finishes by Britain).
There are Catholic, Muslims and Jewish school but they are very expensive and private also.

True! Science is about the truth and understanding why.. But religious peeps are about a good lifestyle like helping ma nanna cross the road..




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Mark is most Wise.

Sorry you are getting so angry because god doesn't exist. Move on. It's not like you're going meet him on the street.

Read that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La%C3%AFcit%C3%A9

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It's fine, people make mistakes sometimes.

We don't expect to meet him on the street. You don't have proofs it doesn't exists as much as we don't have any.
It works both ways. :wink:

That is so commen sense
you are very correct , again
GS.

If it even did begin ... though we can't actually process that thought

I also believe that immigration is good. Whats wrong with people sharing a piece of land. Get over the whole Polish thing.

Right, but the amount of research, number crunching and work going into seeing if there was a start point and how it probably came about is a lot more credible than "God created the universe. He did it in 6 days. Moving on..." :dog:

Although I'm unsure that God exists, I think that in general the bible teaches some good messages; love one another, do not murder etc etc, so I would never class it as worthless jargon.

Hahahahaha! I never wrote that god is real, but you keep bringing "god" into this. My point is that those who follow religion also live the lifestyle as good christians, if people want to help others and not be selfish than whats wrong with that? I dont give a flying fek about a "god" but the christians i know are nice people that help others. As for a "god", nope as i follow science but it's funny we all enjoy christmas and easter!

Mmkay, edit my post because I use a swear word. But allow continual xenophobia and ignorance of peoples' beliefs to carry on.

I'm a nice person who helps others, but I know god is not for real. Might aswell use Christmas to its full advantage then eh, without the baggage.

No but wait, I do believe that the angel rolled the stone away from da cave at easturrr.

Why do these messages have to come from the bible though? These 'good messages' are things any decent person would abide by in principal in their life, whether they are religious or not :cat:

There are some parts I don't believe in like the making of the Universe or some other things, but it's a part of a whole but not everyone believes in everything it's being said in the Bible.

Thats true, we don't need god to be nice people.

I suppose, but when you look at most Christian people, they're very good people who set a good example.

I don't believe in God; I feel the "well he's never been proven to exist/not exist" argument is stupid logic - I feel that God, if He was real, would manifest in some obvious way to us, right now, because so many people do not believe in God anymore. Surely there are not thousands of different Gods out there; in the expectation that if the Christian God exists, then surely all other Gods exist too. Unless there is a double standards thing going on whereby the Christian God MUST exist, and the rest don't - in which case, I think most other points by people who argue God is real are moot.

I think religion though, as a concept, is quite a bad influence, in the sense that it can produce total nut cases who justify their crazy actions by their interpretation of a religious message. On the other hand, the majority of Christians (for example) live a perfectly normal lifestyle, and I respect people who regularly go to church - they have far more commitment to church than I ever will to anything in my life! I agree with the point that somebody made that the moral teachings in the Bible are things that most people would logically obey anyway, without them being dictated in the Bible, but I believe that the Bible was written by a bunch of well meaning entrepreneurs long ago, people who probably took a bunch of commonly accepted values and published them in book form. An ancient how to do manual, if you will. So in that sense, I think the Bible will always be a good measure of how morally good you are as a person, but beyond that, I think it's a load of rubbish.

Wow. This had a lot more replys than i thought.

What do you lot think about my second opinion. thats the one i meant the most.

Also sorry if i did offend anyone. :(

Thats only because our laws come from the bible so we're obviously going to follow them, and through those laws we learn things like murder is wrong, respect people, don't steal etc. If the bible was never made, then those laws might not have been, so we might have learned the opposite that its fine to do all of those things. And before you say we'd just know that its wrong, look at other religions and cultures where things like honour killings are perfectly fine. They dont "just know" how to live a morally good life, and to them that is good.