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Arneldo 06-06-2009 12:57 PM

No. The fact is not enough people were watching the LF to justify it being there. so they made the right decision to ditch it. The videos are more than enough so - deal with it.

arista 06-06-2009 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by JohnnyBB
oo its happening the decline of viewer's because no live feed

Bang On Right
JBB

Redmond 06-06-2009 01:00 PM

Whether people admit it or not Live Feed is a big part of Big Brother's success.

It doesn't matter how many people watch it as long as some are.

If something interesting happens on the feed, that person reports it on a forum, people discuss it, more people tune in, the word spreads, tabloids get hold of it, it creates a buzz and then more people tune in to the HL shows.

How can you get to know people in an edited 40 minute show? And a couple of hours of feed a night before they go to bed?

Every other country that has BB has a live feed, it is not about costs or ratings. They could easily provide an internet feed with no trouble. It is just C4 trying to kill the show.

Stentionhouse 06-06-2009 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by President
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Originally posted by Stentionhouse
2.7m is fantastic compared to what BB will be getting in a month.

I have now discovered the real reason the LF was axed and I'm completely effing furious, to be honest.
What is the real reason?
They found an advertising loophole that lets them make more money by embedding ads in online content than they could on TV. It's illegal to embed ads on television - but not online. By blocking all the YouTube stuff and forcing people to their website by offering the only source of clips there, they can get the highest return - in theory.

However, they've completely deceived the viewers and lied to them over the reason for axing the feed. And now they're going to pay - because BB10 is already a failure and the viewing figures will continue to fall as the word spreads.

Tom 06-06-2009 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

What you dont realise, and you probably will as the series goes on, is that even if you never watch LF, or only a few people watch it, they are the reason why a lot of viewers tune in to watch the highlights. Its kind of like preview, when you come to a forum and read that something interesting happened on LF. OR you read soemthing on the papers, or even hear through the grapevine, that something hapened. Thats what makes you want to watch the highlights the next day to see the clear picture. BEcause its never clear on LF, with sound cuts and stuff.
And what you don't realise is that not all highlights viewers visit a forum or read about the show that much. I don't watch the live feed but I know what happens tonight just as I would any other year. Usually if you told me 2 were going to walk on glass and a motorbike was going to drive over another I'd be counting down the hours, but I'm not too fussed this year. Not because of no live feed, I'm just starting to think BB is now past it.

Stentionhouse 06-06-2009 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by Arneldo
No. The fact is not enough people were watching the LF to justify it being there. so they made the right decision to ditch it. The videos are more than enough so - deal with it.
Big Brother is dead without the live feed - watch the viewing figures slide into oblivion. Deal with that :wink:

JohnnyBB 06-06-2009 01:02 PM

whyt dont pepole understand 2.7million is awfull cant wait for next week 1.9million!!

Matt08 06-06-2009 01:04 PM

Live feed probably hasn't had any effect on the viewing figures for Big Brother. People will still watch the highlights shows, regardless that they haven't had the live feed there.

The real reason for the show's downturn is that the show is getting old and people are slowly starting to get bored of it and have stopped watching.

Stentionhouse 06-06-2009 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by Tom
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Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

What you dont realise, and you probably will as the series goes on, is that even if you never watch LF, or only a few people watch it, they are the reason why a lot of viewers tune in to watch the highlights. Its kind of like preview, when you come to a forum and read that something interesting happened on LF. OR you read soemthing on the papers, or even hear through the grapevine, that something hapened. Thats what makes you want to watch the highlights the next day to see the clear picture. BEcause its never clear on LF, with sound cuts and stuff.
And what you don't realise is that not all highlights viewers visit a forum or read about the show that much. I don't watch the live feed but I know what happens tonight just as I would any other year. Usually if you told me 2 were going to walk on glass and a motorbike was going to drive over another I'd be counting down the hours, but I'm not too fussed this year. Not because of no live feed, I'm just starting to think BB is now past it.
So it was just completely coincidental that the first h/l show of the series got 1.1m less than the same one last year? I think not. C4's official media sources have been besieged with complaints - that doesn't happen when only a minority of viewers are involved. People who rarely look on forums etc suddenly realised yesterday that the daytime LF is gone. No, not on the red button. Not online. Not a couple of hours on e4 in the afternoon - gone.

President 06-06-2009 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by Tom
I don't really think its *that* much to do with the live feed tbh. Of course it will have an effect but I don't think a drastic one. I think its just the BB format; the highlights show felt quite stale. The best thing they can do is bring it back down to 13 weeks (14 weeks is way too long, so is 13 but still) and postpone BB11 until 2011 when we won't be in a recession anymore so advertisers will be willing to spend more- so Channel 4 in theory should have more money. For 7 years we had Big Brother EVERYWHERE in the media, last year in a few places but not everywhere and now we've just reached a point where its still there but noone is taking any notice.

Then as BB will be off air for almost 2 years (just postpone contract) then let the power of nostalgia work its magic ... and BB can come back with somewhat of a bang. atm its just fizzling out as it comes to the end and it isn't a very fitting end for a show that was once the most powerful show on TV and has been covered in controversy over the years.
You have to appreciate that the dip CBB6 and BB10 has seen is not a natural one.

BB9 saw a natural dip.

But BB10 so far is well down for its second show. Lack of LF must be having an effect.

Harry! 06-06-2009 01:06 PM

Im bored of BB10 already because I can't watch them live. Bring it back or BB10 will be the dullest yet!

Stentionhouse 06-06-2009 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by JohnnyBB
whyt dont pepole understand 2.7million is awfull cant wait for next week 1.9million!!
It'll go sub-1.5m by the end of the series - I've said that since the axing of the LF was announced. The very nature of Big Brother is such that the housemates are constantly observed and their actions discussed. Take that away and you just have a load of Hollyoaks rejects in a bad soap opera every night.

Redmond 06-06-2009 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by Matt08
Live feed probably hasn't had any effect on the viewing figures for Big Brother. People will still watch the highlights shows, regardless that they haven't had the live feed there.

The real reason for the show's downturn is that the show is getting old and people are slowly starting to get bored of it and have stopped watching.
A show in decline doesn't drop over 1 million viewers compared to last years first HL show.

That isn't a steady decline, that is rapid.

It got beat by a repeat of Doc Martin last night for gods sake!

:hugesmile:

Tom 06-06-2009 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by Stentionhouse
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Originally posted by President
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Originally posted by Stentionhouse
2.7m is fantastic compared to what BB will be getting in a month.

I have now discovered the real reason the LF was axed and I'm completely effing furious, to be honest.
What is the real reason?
They found an advertising loophole that lets them make more money by embedding ads in online content than they could on TV. It's illegal to embed ads on television - but not online. By blocking all the YouTube stuff and forcing people to their website by offering the only source of clips there, they can get the highest return - in theory.

However, they've completely deceived the viewers and lied to them over the reason for axing the feed. And now they're going to pay - because BB10 is already a failure and the viewing figures will continue to fall as the word spreads.
So what you're saying is a business shouldn't try to get as much money as possible in the short term? I know its frustrating but they might as well milk it whilst its still worth something. Even when BB falls to its lowest its still going to be quite profitable in the cost:airtime:advertisers ratio. Plus its only ABC1 16-34 year olds advertisers are mainly interested in, so you need to look at those figures and not the figures as a whole to see how profitable it is. In theory, if the figures fall to 1m and is made up entirely of 16-34 year olds the show would be only slightly less profitable than if there were 4m viewers and 1m 16-24 year olds in those 4m. Bigger numbers play a part but not as big an impact as people may think.

Matt08 06-06-2009 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by Redmond
Quote:

Originally posted by Matt08
Live feed probably hasn't had any effect on the viewing figures for Big Brother. People will still watch the highlights shows, regardless that they haven't had the live feed there.

The real reason for the show's downturn is that the show is getting old and people are slowly starting to get bored of it and have stopped watching.
A show in decline doesn't drop over a 1 million viewers compared to last years first HL show.

That isn't a steady decline, that is rapid.

It got beat by a repeat of Doc Martin last night for gods sake!

:hugesmile:
Ratings have been dropping for a few years now.

Redmond 06-06-2009 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by Tom
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Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Quote:

Originally posted by President
Quote:

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
2.7m is fantastic compared to what BB will be getting in a month.

I have now discovered the real reason the LF was axed and I'm completely effing furious, to be honest.
What is the real reason?
They found an advertising loophole that lets them make more money by embedding ads in online content than they could on TV. It's illegal to embed ads on television - but not online. By blocking all the YouTube stuff and forcing people to their website by offering the only source of clips there, they can get the highest return - in theory.

However, they've completely deceived the viewers and lied to them over the reason for axing the feed. And now they're going to pay - because BB10 is already a failure and the viewing figures will continue to fall as the word spreads.
So what you're saying is a business shouldn't try to get as much money as possible in the short term? I know its frustrating but they might as well milk it whilst its still worth something. Even when BB falls to its lowest its still going to be quite profitable in the cost:airtime:advertisers ratio. Plus its only ABC1 16-34 year olds advertisers are mainly interested in, so you need to look at those figures and not the figures as a whole to see how profitable it is. In theory, if the figures fall to 1m and is made up entirely of 16-34 year olds the show would be only slightly less profitable than if there were 4m viewers and 1m 16-24 year olds in those 4m. Bigger numbers play a part but not as big an impact as people may think.
But the way they lie to their viewers is not acceptable.

Plus it is backfiring on them anyway.

Stentionhouse 06-06-2009 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom
Quote:

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Quote:

Originally posted by President
Quote:

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
2.7m is fantastic compared to what BB will be getting in a month.

I have now discovered the real reason the LF was axed and I'm completely effing furious, to be honest.
What is the real reason?
They found an advertising loophole that lets them make more money by embedding ads in online content than they could on TV. It's illegal to embed ads on television - but not online. By blocking all the YouTube stuff and forcing people to their website by offering the only source of clips there, they can get the highest return - in theory.

However, they've completely deceived the viewers and lied to them over the reason for axing the feed. And now they're going to pay - because BB10 is already a failure and the viewing figures will continue to fall as the word spreads.
So what you're saying is a business shouldn't try to get as much money as possible in the short term? I know its frustrating but they might as well milk it whilst its still worth something. Even when BB falls to its lowest its still going to be quite profitable in the cost:airtime:advertisers ratio. Plus its only ABC1 16-34 year olds advertisers are mainly interested in, so you need to look at those figures and not the figures as a whole to see how profitable it is. In theory, if the figures fall to 1m and is made up entirely of 16-34 year olds the show would be only slightly less profitable than if there were 4m viewers and 1m 16-24 year olds in those 4m. Bigger numbers play a part but not as big an impact as people may think.
Channel 4 have broken Ofcom's rules with their actions - and Ofcom have confirmed this and are investigating. That's what I do know. C4 are a public service broadcaster and have lied endlessly to Big Brother fans over the reason for them killing the live feed. It's going to cost them dear. I'd go as far as to say this is the beginning of the end of C4 as an independent broadcaster.

Ethan.k 06-06-2009 01:09 PM

OMg...im actually scared now, if people arent watching the first highligts show (that gets them more familiar with each housemate and sees the housemates mix with others on the very 1st night) then what will the figures be like like halfway through the show.....it could just be called off!!!OMFG!!!:devil::devil::devil:

I will be watching this show everynight as much as possible uo to the end, I will try and enjoy every minute of it (which i normally do) and I know that it starts to go abit stale arounf week 7 but it will pick up....Please people just turn on your effin g tvs, if u have 10 tvs then turn them all to channel 4 everynight, even if u are nto watching it, just doit...LOL....*calms down after beathing into brown bag after long scary speech trying to get as much viweres for a tv show...*:cheer2::cheer2:

President 06-06-2009 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by Matt08
Quote:

Originally posted by Redmond
Quote:

Originally posted by Matt08
Live feed probably hasn't had any effect on the viewing figures for Big Brother. People will still watch the highlights shows, regardless that they haven't had the live feed there.

The real reason for the show's downturn is that the show is getting old and people are slowly starting to get bored of it and have stopped watching.
A show in decline doesn't drop over a 1 million viewers compared to last years first HL show.

That isn't a steady decline, that is rapid.

It got beat by a repeat of Doc Martin last night for gods sake!

:hugesmile:
Ratings have been dropping for a few years now.
But not as such a high rate?

JohnnyBB 06-06-2009 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by Redmond
Quote:

Originally posted by Matt08
Live feed probably hasn't had any effect on the viewing figures for Big Brother. People will still watch the highlights shows, regardless that they haven't had the live feed there.

The real reason for the show's downturn is that the show is getting old and people are slowly starting to get bored of it and have stopped watching.
A show in decline doesn't drop over 1 million viewers compared to last years first HL show.

That isn't a steady decline, that is rapid.

It got beat by a repeat of Doc Martin last night for gods sake!

:hugesmile:
woooop go doc martin :joker:

Redmond 06-06-2009 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by Matt08
Quote:

Originally posted by Redmond
Quote:

Originally posted by Matt08
Live feed probably hasn't had any effect on the viewing figures for Big Brother. People will still watch the highlights shows, regardless that they haven't had the live feed there.

The real reason for the show's downturn is that the show is getting old and people are slowly starting to get bored of it and have stopped watching.
A show in decline doesn't drop over a 1 million viewers compared to last years first HL show.

That isn't a steady decline, that is rapid.

It got beat by a repeat of Doc Martin last night for gods sake!

:hugesmile:
Ratings have been dropping for a few years now.
I know...steadily. Never this rapidly...it lost 44% of its audience from the Launch Show! That is the biggest drop off ever. And apart from The Apprentice, it had hardly any competition last night.

First HL shows usually rate well, if it is dropping to 2.7mil this early I shudder to think what the ratings will be like by the time we reach Week 12/13.

Tom 06-06-2009 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by President
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Originally posted by Tom
I don't really think its *that* much to do with the live feed tbh. Of course it will have an effect but I don't think a drastic one. I think its just the BB format; the highlights show felt quite stale. The best thing they can do is bring it back down to 13 weeks (14 weeks is way too long, so is 13 but still) and postpone BB11 until 2011 when we won't be in a recession anymore so advertisers will be willing to spend more- so Channel 4 in theory should have more money. For 7 years we had Big Brother EVERYWHERE in the media, last year in a few places but not everywhere and now we've just reached a point where its still there but noone is taking any notice.

Then as BB will be off air for almost 2 years (just postpone contract) then let the power of nostalgia work its magic ... and BB can come back with somewhat of a bang. atm its just fizzling out as it comes to the end and it isn't a very fitting end for a show that was once the most powerful show on TV and has been covered in controversy over the years.
You have to appreciate that the dip CBB6 and BB10 has seen is not a natural one.

BB9 saw a natural dip.

But BB10 so far is well down for its second show. Lack of LF must be having an effect.
If it was the live feed in CBB6 then why did the ratings not actually fall through the floor until the final week? The first week rated very well, the middle week OKish but nothing great and the last week awful. It was a rubbish series and was just generally boring.

BB10 has had one show so far. We won't get any indication how it will really do until Tuesday morning. Tonight is bound to be around 2m, but because Saturdays always are. Sunday has competition and is on too late, but even if it does do well it still probably won't be much of an indication because its a special show, so the next opportunity is most likely Monday night highlights. The ratings don't settle until about 2-3 weeks in anyway. They can go down, but they can go up as well. We'll just have to wait and see. Plus lets remember the 2.7m hasn't had the +1 added to it which is most likely to bring it up to at least 3m which makes the drop a fair bit smaller. Then with the official ratings about 2m will be lost from launch-highlights 1 which is about the same as most series'.

Wildcat! 06-06-2009 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Matt08
Quote:

Originally posted by Redmond
Quote:

Originally posted by Matt08
Live feed probably hasn't had any effect on the viewing figures for Big Brother. People will still watch the highlights shows, regardless that they haven't had the live feed there.

The real reason for the show's downturn is that the show is getting old and people are slowly starting to get bored of it and have stopped watching.
A show in decline doesn't drop over a 1 million viewers compared to last years first HL show.

That isn't a steady decline, that is rapid.

It got beat by a repeat of Doc Martin last night for gods sake!

:hugesmile:
Ratings have been dropping for a few years now.
OK maybe when the numbers are in front of you, you will understand what people are talking about.

Series 8 (2007) - 4.0m
Series 9 (2008) - 3.8m
Series 10 (2009)- 2.7m

Redmond 06-06-2009 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by Tom
Quote:

Originally posted by President
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Originally posted by Tom
I don't really think its *that* much to do with the live feed tbh. Of course it will have an effect but I don't think a drastic one. I think its just the BB format; the highlights show felt quite stale. The best thing they can do is bring it back down to 13 weeks (14 weeks is way too long, so is 13 but still) and postpone BB11 until 2011 when we won't be in a recession anymore so advertisers will be willing to spend more- so Channel 4 in theory should have more money. For 7 years we had Big Brother EVERYWHERE in the media, last year in a few places but not everywhere and now we've just reached a point where its still there but noone is taking any notice.

Then as BB will be off air for almost 2 years (just postpone contract) then let the power of nostalgia work its magic ... and BB can come back with somewhat of a bang. atm its just fizzling out as it comes to the end and it isn't a very fitting end for a show that was once the most powerful show on TV and has been covered in controversy over the years.
You have to appreciate that the dip CBB6 and BB10 has seen is not a natural one.

BB9 saw a natural dip.

But BB10 so far is well down for its second show. Lack of LF must be having an effect.
If it was the live feed in CBB6 then why did the ratings not actually fall through the floor until the final week? The first week rated very well, the middle week OKish but nothing great and the last week awful. It was a rubbish series and was just generally boring.

BB10 has had one show so far. We won't get any indication how it will really do until Tuesday morning. Tonight is bound to be around 2m, but because Saturdays always are. Sunday has competition and is on too late, but even if it does do well it still probably won't be much of an indication because its a special show, so the next opportunity is most likely Monday night highlights. The ratings don't settle until about 2-3 weeks in anyway. They can go down, but they can go up as well. We'll just have to wait and see. Plus lets remember the 2.7m hasn't had the +1 added to it which is most likely to bring it up to at least 3m which makes the drop a fair bit smaller. Then with the official ratings about 2m will be lost from launch-highlights 1 which is about the same as most series'.
Excuses Excuses.

Big Brother shouldn't need excuses. The show should never be dipping below 3mil (only on Saturdays as it always has). Phil Edgar Jones said himself, as long as the show is getting over 3mil viewers then it is safe. Well Mr Jones...it looks as if you'll be lucky to get 2mil by the end of this series.

Wildcat! 06-06-2009 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by Tom
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Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

What you dont realise, and you probably will as the series goes on, is that even if you never watch LF, or only a few people watch it, they are the reason why a lot of viewers tune in to watch the highlights. Its kind of like preview, when you come to a forum and read that something interesting happened on LF. OR you read soemthing on the papers, or even hear through the grapevine, that something hapened. Thats what makes you want to watch the highlights the next day to see the clear picture. BEcause its never clear on LF, with sound cuts and stuff.
And what you don't realise is that not all highlights viewers visit a forum or read about the show that much. I don't watch the live feed but I know what happens tonight just as I would any other year. Usually if you told me 2 were going to walk on glass and a motorbike was going to drive over another I'd be counting down the hours, but I'm not too fussed this year. Not because of no live feed, I'm just starting to think BB is now past it.
Dude, dont even pretend like you werent the one telling us, tis not gonna have an effect. Its gonna be a good series. YOu were all excited as hell, and promised that the decline wont be so bad! ANd all of a sudden youre saying its normal, and that you just cant be bothered that much?
Sorry, but as someone who comes to forums, the LIve feed is affecting you, weather you watch it or not. YOu can deny all you want, but its the truth and you know it!


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