ok im not foolish enough to say someones opinion could be so wrong but lets just say there are some things that cant be disputed... fredstar did nothing wrong,neither did marcus.marcus simply said you should not have dragged siavash in to the lions den for their sunday roast..

there is no doubt siavash was speaking as a friend,not for recruitment purposes but simply as an outsider who has seen things said about someone he cares for.fredstar did no manipulating in the whole of the night?he simply said i trust siavash over karly and kris,and i would to..

simply put,noirin wanted more attention and the only thing she can take pride in is she was right about what siavash had said,but im none too sure how that arguement made marcus or fredstar look nasty or manipulative?

I don't like Noirin now for several reasons.

1. She is intolerant other people's differences. She has inferred (along with Kris mind you) that Siavash's fashion is somehow inappropriate for normal life. She has also called both Freddie and Siavash "freaks".

2. She is sensitive to criticism of her character. She simply cannot take the thought that she might not be correct about something. Unlike Rodrigo, who seems to be sensitive to being joked with and toyed with, Noirin is sensitive to even a meager bit of criticism. She got the hump with Marcus for ages purely for him suggesting that she was lazy. She as we now know, exploded at the mere thought she may have been called - god forbid - a rabbit. She takes everything personally.

3. She *is* a rabbit. I would've had a hell of a lot more respect for Siavash if he had intended to imply others called her a rabbit just to see if she was to respond by acting like a rabbit. It would have been an epic footbullet.

4. She has no communication in disagreements. She shouts and screams like a 10 year old. She talks over others and repeatedly insults them.

5. She holds grudges.

there is much that we agree on,yes i do think marcus had swiched on noirin minutes after being told bluntly what she wanted.. that i see and agree with,but that has no bearing on marcus last night,i for one have never liked marcus but by the same token i dont say things that aren't true..what he did last night (despite how he has been prior to last night) was right,fair and just and in no way could he be edited to look any other way... and this is from someone who doesnt see much good in marcus ever since his treatment of sree..

'I promise I won't say anything' - Noirin

She then destroys the promise and feeds Siavash to the wolves, as Marcus said.

Its interesting how 2 people watching the same thing come up with a completely different outlook on what they watched.

Although we disagree its nice that we can debate it without insulting each other or disrespecting each others viewpoint.


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You have to lie a little to save yourself when you've been royally screwed over by your 'friend' Noirin, who as she said:

'I promise not to say anything'.

Some lies are good and some are downright necessary.

From my viewpoint I see Marcus as hugely dissapointed that Noirin is drawn to the others,he is clearly concerned that he is going to be backed in a corner during this weeks noms..marcus vs freddie and its a no brainer who will go..and he knows it.
If Noirin was on the same side as marcus then my feeling is marcus thinks he could avoid being up just againest freddie.

I honestly dont believe any of this was for noirins benefit last night,Siavash had motive to get Noirin to turn againest the others and so did marcus.

It all makes tonights feed look a little dull doesnt it
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BBlB she sat there last night and lied through her teeth about others and tried to blame everyone but herself.And the contempt she had towards her fellow HM's was shocking and her own high opionin of herself was sicken to hear.

Wanna play some poker this Sunday in North Central London?

BblB you are taking up for a bully liar and Nasty bitch do you know that?

And some are quite deceitful ( like freddies lie )

I agree he probably had to lie to save himself but I really dont see this Noirin Siavash friendship,I think they just tolerate each other..maybe im missing something others are seeing.

Are you crazy She called her fellow HM's freak's and Wierdo's your not goping to convice anyone she's out of the game now

Ahh the misused and overused bully word.

Sorry to dissapoint you but I dont see any bullying in the house,not even from the odious Marcus when he was being a sh*t to Sree.

People today latch onto words and use them out of context,so an arguement becomes bullying,a bitchy comment makes a hm vile or evil...nah I dont buy into that culture.
An arguement is simply an arguement where things are said in haste ( i bet if anyone replayed you back an arguement you had it would be considered bullying by some )

i suppose there is a bit of grey area about last night so there are bound to be diffrent views although i never heard anyone refer to freddie as manipulative,if your refering to him saying he was in the bathroom when it was said there are two possibilities,

1. he was confused as during the live feed he did walk off a couple of times,

2. he simply said he wasnt sure,but believes siavash over karly and kris which im sure most of us would do? neither of those scenarios show fredstar in a vindictive or manipulative light?

yup i much prefer a frank discussion,and its interesting to see things from another stand point as i may have missed something myself...

lmao yeh tonights not up to much,last night really took its toll on noirin..

to be honest i dont see siavash's motives being anything but noble,since the show began noirin has come to marcus and siavash and spoke in depth about other housemates and their thoughts,and thats all he did,and he did so because he trusted her and also wanted her to be aware that some housemates were using her while on the flip side saying things about her...theres nothing un toward going on there..

and has obviosly had the hump with noirin,but he stills knows right from wrong.they made up so there was no grudge held..it wasnt so much about teams as it was about siavash being betrayed by noirin (in marcus's opinion). so what he said to her was also straight up and fair...imo thats how i see it

I don't know how you can defend Noirins rants guys:rolleyes:

She was pure evil last night and the most self absorebed HM i ever seen

lets not resort to calling her a slag,she's someones daughter and she hasnt commited any serios crime so lets get some perspective...

Well she was nasty Shadow

Her foul mouth attacks on her fellow HM's was disgraceful

Lol, so. So are the thousand of prostitute someones daughter :shrug:

Don't cry :pat:

why the hate you ask?
Because she's one of those "oh! I have a stalker" women who say that with pride. She told Marcus he's her most special housemate and accordig to Marcus let her grope her under the covers. Then she runs to Lisa and anyone else that will listen to say " oh he's Sree mark 2... why does this always happen to me?". Um I think I know why.....

you know i dont agree with noirin one bit,but calling some lame attention seeker on a show a slag is a bit much dont you think?



did you see me refer to those working the corners in miami?or those trying to pay their bills by making a living in the red light destrict?yeah i didnt think so..

well no sorry,you have offended me,i shall now go and weep till my hearts content and then i shall have gavin write another letter to OFCOM :whistle: jk

O dear. You said "lets not resort to calling her a slag,she's someones daughter" So I brand up that everyone has a mother, Slag and all :love:

I agree with that, this bullying/vile stuff is total nonsense and panto-childish-BS.

But the main issue for me, is Noirin wrecking confidentiality and creating a huge storm, for no reason, and braking trust. She was told the info to help her. She showed no respect and as Marcus said, fed Siavash to the wolves.

Yes, Siavash did lie, when he was trying to save himself, thanks to Noirin.

Yes, Freddie did lie, because he was in the circle of 4 when the names were mentioned by Siavash. Maybe to save himself, Siavash, or whatever.

For me, it was 98% Noirin in the wrong. Anything afterwards was scrambling and heated arguments, confusion, etc.

cuz shes a bytch:conf2: