Yes I agree with you on that too. For example I really liked Noirin at the start, then she showed her 'true colours' and I went right off her. Same with Bea, she really fooled me the first week she went in there, I ended up disliking her more than any other HM for many years!

He Stood with Pathetic Bea
staying with her like Glue.


She went
He must go.

I never made up lies and false claims about Freddie though, did I? Many of the Freddie mob purposefully lie and make false claims, to draw hatred towards certain HMs. They even just out and out post evil drivel about them. I don't do that. Never have.

Like I said, Charlie has been the same since Day 1. People accuse him of being fake, but he's been the same since Day 1. He was pouring water on Angel's jacket and fooling Freddie in Week 3!

I think a few people did lol me included!

I agree thats the way it goes,people like certain housemates then the more they see of them they dont like them as much.
Bea was the perfect example every1 loved her for the 1st week or so cause we were all basically fooled by her nice dippy hippy routine but the longer she was in there every1 started to see threw that and got to see the real Bea,then mass hate started lol.

I agree on that aswell cause I also liked Noirin till I saw they real her and she wasnt really a nice person.

But alchemists, Charlie hasn't been fake or fooled anyone, like Bea. He's been the same from the start, good or bad. He always did his pranks and fooled around, from the start. He's always been friendly as well, but with a harsher side to him.

It's not like he turned on the bad-ness this past week. He's been the same. Hence why I refer to scapegoating, timed propoganda, etc.

It's his turn for the chop, so to speak.

I think our points would be we are perfectly entitled to dislike the presentation of him on this show and people are only human in forming opinions based on what they see over time so people changing their minds is no wierd thing, if you are the sort of person who forms an opinion then refuses to change it no matter what there is something, well, rather facist about that lol sorry wrong word but you know what i mean it's a strange way to think

K fair enough I agree with you on that there are a few people on hear that do purposely post lies about certain housemates and it does seem like there intentions are to discredit that particular housemate as a way to defend there 'favourite'. Which to me doesnt really make sense but I suppose some people are weird lol.But I wouldnt just say thats Freddy fans thou but then again ive not really paid much attention to that.
Ive been accused of being a Freddy fan over and over again even thou I didnt really like him but I aint stupid enough to not see wrong when I see it.
As for the Charlie stuff I just think people had housemates they disliked more than him but now they are outta the way and they have seen more of Charlie nows the time to be more vocal about it.

It is so true!! Since fat Bex said on Facebook that she thinks he is fake, everybody has jumped on the band waggon. She only lasted a few weeks in BB9 and was only remembered for flashing her boobs when drunk. Come on stop having a go at Charlie. He has been the same all the way through. Even the bitch Bea said she wanted him to win:dance:

Fair enough, I'm just very skeptical because you get a sudden thrust of people hateing and proverbially 'hanging' a HM on here, all at the same time. In Charlie's case he's been the same throughout. I also observe this same phenomenon on DS, where in 1 or 2 days a sudden mass of Charlie hate infested the forum. It just seems all very convenient and bandwagon like.

K fair enough but my opinion has been that Charlie is fake and that he is only acting like the nice guy and ive thou that from the begining,probable from when him and Kris stole the drink and Charlie still tried to lie about it,but fair enough Charlie does seem to be the new BB hate figure but all I can say is rightly so.
And I know it does seem like more people have started to not like him this last week but I just think less people are being fooled by the fake cheeky chappie routine he has been doing.
I just find it hard to believe that people hadnt sussed out Charlie before now cause its been obvious for so long.
All the telling every1 how much of a nice guy he is just isnt on,a nice guy doesnt go around telling people so,and he turns on the niceness to certain people and others he doesnt.
Just remember back to the new housemates coming in Charlie didnt make any of them feel welcome infact he was an utter tosser to all the new housemates when they came in,he was nice to them the night they came in but after that he was a ignorant ****.

Could it be that people get annoyed by seeing the same thing at the same time given that they are watching the same show?

Also a forum means someone posts a topic and it's discussed so if someone posts I hate charlie and alot of people agree that's just responding to a topic.

I kinda get that you like to think your own way and not appear part of a group so see people who do that as nob ends (probably lol) but on a show like this people are either going to like him or not so it's just your on the liking him band wagon, and if your opinion is that you don't have an opinion, how non conformist of you, why do you care that other people have one?

All the newbies were treated like garbage. Hira ignored, Tom ostracized for being muscular and good looking, Kenneth pigeon-holed very quickly, Bea was liked only because of being a blonde female, David was stereotyped and played about by Bea, etc.

None of them are particularly nice people, all in all. They all have their negative points. Especially if one chooses to focus on them.

I will say now, whether he reads the situation rightly or wrongly, Charlie is willing to defend people and stick his neck out on the line. I do think his heart is in the right place a lot of the time.

He's shown far more affection in there than many others. Freddie was praised on the forums, but I've never seen him show compassion to anyone, hug them, comfort them, etc.

Whilst Marcus was isolated, he was too busy trying to get into Bea's pants. Loyal. :rolleyes:

I think the only conclusive bandwagon thats been jumped on is the Marcus phenominum lol every1 hated him but now he is gettin called a legend.

Who did he defend out of curiosity?

Btw Freddie stepped in to defend Siavash when Noirin threw him to the "wolves".

He hugs and makes a fuss of people as they leave on live television if that is what you mean?

Just seems rather contrived and non-coincidental that all of a sudden you get a large number of FMs who converge in their view of Charlie as being bad, nasty etc, yet he's been the same all along.

Appears as 'timed' hate and propoganda, rather than anything in-line with the show. I'm not against opinions per se, but 'group' attacking of HMs for no reason does infuriate me. Look how much stick Lisa got on here, 98% being lies, false claims and abuse!

As housemates get evicted you have to change to someone else or not bother voting anymore and everyone is entitled to their own opinion as to who to vote for

K fair enough Charlie's heart might be in the right place and he is not as nasty as say Bea,as in no concious atall but Charlie has held back and people have'nt seen the real Charlie so we dont really know if he is a good guy or not,but on the evidence of the times Charlie's mask has slipped he doesnt come across as a nice guy.
In general this Big Brother there hasnt been any genuinly nice people in the house,they have all been selfish self centred all about themselves kinda people,with maybe the exceptions being Hira and Tom but we will neva know cause they were'nt really in there long enough to really see what they are all about..

Like I said, his heart is in the right place. Whether he reads the situation right or wrong isn't all that important. He thought Bea was being ganged up on and upset, so he defend her and showed compassion. He doesn't see everything that we see either, remember Bea was nice around Charlie.

Charlie's a good guy, he's shown far more compassion than many of the 'popular' HMs on here. Freddie hasn't comforted anyone or showed much compassion at all, he's not socially in-tune at all.

He defended Siavash moreso because he was angry at Noirin. But even when he 'stood up' for Angel, he never used to hug her, show compassion or comfort her. He just used to spar with Lisa. Same with Marcus, he just left him isolated and stuck with Bea.

It's easy to focus on things that show HMs in a good or bad light. Simple. Now it's Charlie's turn to get a roasting. The 'negative' spotlight.

I said 2 weeks ago i think he has a nasty side to him, infact i think he's displayed the most actual aggression in the house.

You don't seem able to grasp that we are all watching the show at the same time so will form an opinion of each HM after that show, given what we already know so it may appear as sudden group hate as you say.

The Lisa thing i even agree with you on alot of it has proven false.

You just seem annoyed that people are expressing a negative opinion about a housemate your seeing a different side to. I assume you dislike at least one housemate? let's assume Bea, were you joining the band wagon?

Yes I did dislike her. But the point is, Charlie has been the same throughout. But this same self was considered rather positively up until last week. He was even liked for befriending Freddie, helping him integrate into the group, chatting to him, etc. People suddenly ditch all the positives now he's the new scapegoat. They weren't too fussed about his bad points in the past.

I agree with you that Freddie showed little physical compassion but if from what i understand from comments his friends have made etc, he is quite socially awkward, but you are right in that respect.

I've not seen him even speak to Marcus to be honest, i'll give Lisa credit for making more of an effort with him lately.

And giving someone credit for reacting in a situation even if they react badly is a bit of a false praise. I think it just comes down to you been on band wagon of liking him lol no bad thing just different wagon.

I see the point your making but i don't think it is a sudden thing he has always had people who have claimed he was faking it, sob story etc there are more now for sure but people have to discuss housemates that are in there, there are less of them so more focus on each housemate = more focused discussion, because theres less of them to discuss

Touched a nerve:rolleyes:

I just don't like the chap, simple as. Him and David are the only one's I dislike

He didn't react badly per se, he just misread the situation and hadn't figured Bea out. But he comforted Bea when he thought she was genuinely upset and showed good character.

And until that point, Freddie had actually been pestering Bea because he wanted to fcuk her, following her around everywhere and even waiting in the garden for her. So she wasn't even totally in the wrong at that point.

But Charlie showed his heart and willingness to defend people, which IMO are very good qualities. Neither which Freddie shows.

You can say I'm on a bandwagon if you like, but at least there's no weird timing about it.

Wrong. look at the dates on Charlies posts.

Supporting Lisa I can understand AhmedFan but Charlie? Come off it. Your head must really be hurting thinking of arguments to support him.

'Nobody' wasn't meant to be taken literally. But he is all of a sudden, the new hate figure. For basically being exactly the same since the early weeks.

talk shiit

See my answer to that is in my opinion Charlie didnt befriend Freddy at that time he acted like he was his friend for the camera ie for the viewers,I actually thou Charlie was 1 of the people who bullied Freddy,anyways as for the past week and people not liking Charlie I just think now theres less people in there to dislike people are looking more into the actions of housemates and the longer BB has went on its gettin harder to defend Charlie.
There's only so much a housemate can do before it becomes obvious what they are upto.
If you seriously cant see threw Charlie and dont think he puts on the nice but dimb act then id say to you when you watch BB just look for it,just keep your eye on him and watch his facial expressions,and in particular watch how he acts towards Siavash and to a lesser degree Rodrigo.
Ive been saying it for weeks Charlie is faker than Sophies breasts and the only thing that has puzzled me is how its took some people so long to see what Charlie's really like,I'm just glad that at last people can see him for what he is, a FAKE ass bitch lol.

Hes a new 'hate' figure because the others have been shot down and now he has appeared on the radar. Apart from rows with Rodrigo Charlie has had less airtime than Hira. He got away with it before because there were bigger fish to fry. Also as the end of the show approaches he is becoming increasingly desperate to win and its getting bloody obvious.

I actually didn't think of that the whole issue with Freddie was that it was constant piss taking behind his back

Exactly what i've tried to point out, you have 12 house mates every housemate get's less exposure or focus, less you have more focus you have. We are hardly going to carry on talking about how badly Bea is behaving when she isn't there.

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What they said!

I do see his bad points, winding Rod up, playing up to the cameras, trying his utmost to keep his nice guy image intact, etc.

But there's many many good points, showing his compassion, loyalty, likeability, etc. He's not popular in (and also outside) the house for nothing.

He's willing to show compassion, defend people, stick his neck on the line, etc. He makes errors and misreads things, but I don't give a fcuk tbh.

I think he has more character than many in there, despite his faults. And most of these faults ARE ALSO faults of other HMs.

Most of them act quite a bit, play it up, try to play nice and dumb, etc. Except the likes of Lisa who are honest, straight up and reliable.

Hence why she's my fave ... no drama queen in her at all. :spin2:

Spot on.

Loyalty and compassion? When ? Apart from when he wants to score 'nice guy' points Charlie stays well out of the line of fire. 'Stick his neck on the line'? when has he ever done anything to rock the boat?

He's happy to befriend Bea, Lisa, anyone, despite info suggesting that by association, that isn't a wise move. He stuck with Lisa even though outside info suggested it was eviction suicide.

He was compassionate to Bea and throughout the series to other HMs (Sree, Saffia, Freddie, Noirin), when they were upset, or he felt they were getting harsh treatment. It's not his fault that sly Bea had him fooled at the time. But his heart is in the right place.

And he's been willing to tell Freddie how it is straight to his face. Something that Freddie's never had the balls to do. Running into the DR. Or covering up his blatant scheming/bloc votes as 'observations'.

Like he said himself, he's willing to argue and discredit the actions of others when they're in the wrong, even if outside info suggests that it would be very risky and controversial to do so.

He's earnt my respect, despite his flaws. And I do value compassion.

Do you seriously belive that? Very little evidence to back you up I'm afraid. Its impossible to make a reasonable argument for Charlie, you are really clutching at straws here.

Charlie was given a good chance by BB on Friday HL show to answer his critics in the diary room. He just proved them 100% correct.

Still, beats the usual Charlie supporters whos best argument is 'hes just being himslef'.