Yes Derek, is playing the game brilliantly. He lays the foundations, plants the seeds of doubt and contempt, then just sits back and watches it all erupt. Every Sunday he goes around each housemate, makes a snide comment or preaches nastily about someone he doesn't like, hoping they will nominate him/her? It's amusing watching it, especially as the others are to thick to notice it.

He's very clever that man. A clever, manipulative evil snob.

However, as someone mentioned on here. He does seem to think he's a black man 2nd and a white snob 1st. Science is right he shouldn't bring colour in to it. It's about your character and personality. If you don't like him fine, but to say that Science makes him want to join the BNP, or it's no wonder people are racist if they see the behaviour of Science..blah blah. Get a a grip on reality old man! His comments are disgraceful.

I'd agree that he is clever, manipulative and a snob. But not that he is evil, it's a game and he's playing it well, not a sign of evil.

And as Science said, no need to bring colour into it, which is why I didn't mention that in my post. At worst, Derek's comments are hyperbole, but I can accept he seems to have some issues with colour.

@ backtherighthorse said:- I think everyone is forgetting that this is a game show. I doubt very much that Derek would behave the way he does in the house in real life.


Well different guests on BBLB who know Dereck have said he is exactly the same in real life. I believe them. He is using his nasty personality to play a good game I admit. The fact he is playing a game does not change the fact he has an ugly dog eat dog personality in real life. To hero worship the likes of Thatcher is self evident of his true character.....

Science is a simple simon character with no real character.......He just makes himself noticed by shouting and shouting and being as irritating as possible.

I would not want any of the characters in there to be a roll model. Anthon is probably the most normal out of them all. Kemal is a disgrace to sexuality as a whole...Makosi is just a walking lie machine. Craige...Well he leaves one speachless..
Eugine once again speechless...

Weve got into a right old class war here, havent we :laugh:. As usual poor Derek gets attacked for <shock horror> speaking the Queen's English and representing the upperclasses, or as the working class refer to as 'Toffs'. Go back to your council houses, you dole scroungers. I like Derek not only because he is a Tory but he also likes fox hunting. That alone gets my support without considering what tricks he gets up to in the house. He has every right to take the morale highground in the house and tell off the other housemates for stepping out of line because he is, contrary to what bananarama said, an erudite man who has kept a war from breaking out betwee housemates and been honest more or less from the start. Its only the commoners, liberals and lefties that dislike Derek because he represents the aristocracy. Well, they can just bloody well sod off. Peasants.

And yes, I admit I loathe most northern English accents (except Geordie). I consider it an affliction to talk with Manchester, Liverpool and Leeds accents. That girl speaking with I imagine to be a Lancs accent in the porchettas adverts makes my skin itch.

As for Science fans, Im sure there are a few of them who aren't obsessed and copy his mannerisms, however, I still think a lot of young people will immitate his aggressive style because they are not brought enough to think for themselves.

I'm 47 & I don't want to copy him - I WOULD like my sons to have SCIENCE'S caring inner nature than the arrogance of "your" man Derek OR CRAIG'S manipulative ruthlessness & disregard for others in the name of profit & personal gain! This world is screwed up enough by manipulating evil cold & calculating a$$holes & pompous bigots!! YA get me!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

i like science and dereks arguements.

I dont understand what you mean by profit and personal gain. All of the housemates will get something when they leave the house. You seem to think theres some conspiracy afoot to get rid of Science who, as far as I can see, creates his own problems. All of the housemates have shown a caring side yes, even your man, so you could have said any of the housemates. But more importantly, Science has also shown the most aggression out of the housemates. And thats bad.

And as for pompous bigots, well, thats a bit rich considering Science's overt homophobia throughout the series.

Some seek but never find, those that have, want more, the moreyou have the less you want anyone else to have anything. Some give, a lot more take - some say what they have to say out in the open and stand by their word, most do it behind people's backs then deny when caught, some have to fight & work for little, others are handed plenty- what's worse, homophobia or racism? - What's the difference between the two - homosexuality is popular, accepted & rewarded Racists are never called to question, but left to do as they will, those who start with less have more gratitude & humility, those given most expect much more. Watch closer - I think provoked is more apt than creates - Science is no saint, but there is a heart within. not a swinging brick. It takes a lot not to fight back when attacked, Science hasn't had the chance to learn yet, he's had to fight to survive, while most of his attackers have been spoon fed. Before you ask - or assume, I don't see colour, but those who choose to, would see me as white - I'm not the only one who sees a conspiracy, & it has not just been Science, others have fallen to the pack before him, it's just his turn -

I agree with some of the comments and i think Science isnt setting a good example for young people watching. Science is self obsessed and has no respect for anyone in the house. The way he shouts and over rides every single housemate is disrespectful completely and the boy is an idiot. I have really started hating Science at the moment nearly as much as i hate Makosi. Science the great...i think not.

What a charming man you have shown yourself to be:rolleyes:. Your use of comments like "Go back to your council houses you dole scroungers" are deeply offensive, not to mention inaccurate. I am not a dole scrounger, and I own my own house, but unlike you I don't believe that it makes me a better person than anyone else.

You say Derek has stopped war breaking out between the housemates? What a joke. Derek causes most of the problems - he loads the bullets for other people to fire, for example the way he went on and on at Kemal to have a go at Orlaith the other night. Incidentally, I don't think people dislike Derek because of the way he speaks - maybe they don't like the fact that he's a snob?

You criticise people because you think they like Science because of the way he speaks (you seem unable to provide any evidence to back up this assertion however), yet you have indicated that you like Derek because of the way he speaks. Same thing really.

On another thread you called yourself a neutral observer to the show - yeah looks like it:mad:

If you don't like Science, fair enough. We all like and dislike different housemates for different reasons, but I think you are exceptionally rude to call the people on this board "peasants" and "dole scroungers." How dare you claim to know anything about anybody on this board, other than what they have posted here?

As for your comments about regional accents, and considering it an affliction to speak with a Lancashire accent, I consider it YOU are the one who is afflicted, as you are unable to look past the accent and listen to what people are saying. You make sweeping generalisations about people, based on what housemate they like, and openly admit that you like someone purely because they are a fan of fox hunting. Your opinion on fox hunting is not the issue here - however, the fact that you are prepared to like someone because of their accent and their hobby, without even looking at what they are like as a person says a lot about you.

If you think we're all such 'peasants' (your words), why do you bother to come here? Surely you don't believe that we are worthy of your great presence. That's the impression you give anyway.:mad:

Well I dont mind coming here fraternizing with the working class peasants for a while. :laugh:

Seriously, I didnt start the class war, Ruth, Im merely defending the honour of the upper classes. Ive noticed quite a few derogatory comments aimed at Derek because of how he speaks and his posh roots. Quite unfair, I think, and I was just seeing what would happen when I tried the same tactic by knocking the other end of the class system and making sweeping statements which you obviously took exception to. :joker:

Of course I dont think all working class people are dole scroungers and some northern accents arent that horrendous, but if people are going to bring up class and accents into this discussion then you can hardly moan when the shoes on the other foot. :bigsmile:

Science chooses to go on the offensive and starts the bickering. Youre implying hes on the receiving end and having to defend himself which isnt true. I have studied Science very carefully and although sometimes he can be quite nice, he has been extremely rude.

AndyJK, I've never knocked Derek for having money or the way he speaks. Maybe others have, I don't know. I do however think Derek's a snob, which I dislike.

I never said you did.

My comments were mostly a swipe at those who wish to look down on Derek because hes a Tory toff.

No I know you didn't. I do respect your opinions, even if I don't agree with them.:spin2:

I don't think Science is the yoof of today in general terms but I do think he would be wise to listen to Eugene and sometimes Derek in respect of having a good debate, getting your points across without an all of shouting match.

Science is probably very intelligent and just fustrated because he doesn't know how to get his point across.

I don't much like him myself but these are just my thoughts

Well said Ruth, they're the kind of messages Derek is putting across in the house and you rightly slaughtered them & exposed this hypocrite! Well written!

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::hello:

Cheers coltrane:thumbs:

science to listen to who? derek .derek may be posh as some people see him but i have lost respect for him .it does matter even if science leaves tomorow

I hope Science stays - Derek will be so unbearably smug if he goes, and I can't wait to see the looks on Craig and Derek's faces if Orlaith goes. Derek has fallen into the trap of thinking that because he has money, he is superior to the others, and he's wrong. For example, when he and Science were arguing in the bedroom and Derek was saying that everyone in the house felt the same way about Science (can't remember the exact words he used) and Makosi said that she didn't want to be included in that. Derek hated the fact that she wouldn't go along with what he wanted her to do - he couldn't believe that she even had the nerve not to back him up.

I do think Science would do himself some favours if he stopped shouting so much, but on last night's highlights show (20/7/05) you could see that he was at least attempting to make amends, but nobody was prepared to listen. At the end of the day(!) I think Science is a nicer person than Derek by far, he does have genuine compassion for others, unlike Derek who uses other people's anguish to further his own cause.

Here, here! Very well written. I can not believe the verbal diarrhoea that was written by Andy and the other joker above. Who seem to writing these stements for a reaction.

It has nothing to do with Derek's accent or upper class roots! It's the snobbery. He does think he's better than everyone else. And to say a number of things as outlandish as:

'Science makes me hate black people' '
Science makes me want to join the BNP'
'If anything, I'm racist against my own kind'
'Go back to where you came from'
'Get back to the Cole mines'

Amazing statements. Why is he seeing the colour or class? Why not just say he dislikes them. This is Racist or discriminatory. If a white person said these things to Science you would call them racist.

Those are the reasons why I dislike Derek.

I stand by every word of it. Youre obviously the Science of forum boards incapable of listening to others with differening opinions of your own. My point is that there are people who dislike Derek, not because he is a snob, but because he is a> A Tory b> likes fox hunting c> speaks with a posh accent d> represents the upper classes.

I do ask myself why Derek is being rebuked for innocent comments hes made towards Science regarding his colour, yet black people refer to each other as '*******' and which is commonly used in rap music across the world. Perhaps you can answer this, oh wise one.

Not at all, I'm not a Science fan as mentioned previously on this thread if you care to look. I'm not a big fan of anyone. You're just being very dogmatic and irrotating, which I am taking offence to.

Oh and for the record I am black (of mixed heritage) and I take offence to Derek's comments. I also hate the word '******' and rap music so don't tar everyone with the same brush.

Lastly, I liked Derek up until about two weeks ago when his nasty side came out more and more.

PS. Derek being from the so called upper class, a fox hunter, and a gay black man has FA to do with it. In fact I found all this amusing. It made his personality interesting and a fascinating housemate to watch. Infact, I think if I was in the house I would probably find myself talking to him because of this. However, it's his nasty, snide and snobby comments I currently have a problem with.

Ive accepted that Derek does come across a bit of a snob. This is more to do with the age gap than anything else and taking on the role as Mother hen to a group of youngsters. I also acknowledge his comments towards Science were strong and inappropriate but I dont think they were meant to be seen as racist. In the past few weeks, Science has pushed Derek to the absolute limit by provoking him into making reactional statements (as youve mentioned). Lets not forget Derek was very keen to take Science under his wing and help him in the beginnning which has been thrown back in his face because of Science's appallingly bad attitude and disrespect for people. How can anyone calling themselves 'Science' to project a man of intellect resort to childish behaviour and name calling as he did by calling Derek "a ****ing prick".

And as for being "dogmatic", Ive never made statements intended to be taken for fact. They are only my opinions deduced from logical reasoning of a show that is watched religiously by millions of people. They are my views not representative of any organisation or group, and people are more than welcome to agree or disagree with them.

And to back up my points which youve clearly refuted, Ive been reading some of the text messages in support of Science flashing across the screen like: "keep Science in der house, yer get me". That is proof if any that somebody has used a well known Science phrase.

Why is Dereck being classified as "Upper class".?? Speaking posh does not make the man upper class. It does make the man look exactly what most tories are and that is a fraud.

Dereck is not upper class as that would be an insult to real upper class who are generally civilised and tolorent people minus snobbery. Dereck pretends to be upper class by using the same type of "silly for morons only Queens English that no one in there right mind should have any respect for. Dereck is so far up himself it's a wonder he has not gone into orbit.

The Dereck's of this country do far more harm to the Tory party that even the demon Thatcher could do. The Dereck's give the tory party the image of being rich snobbish goons and deter voters from considering the Tory party as a credible mind set to believe in. For that I thank Dereck. Long may he continue to help destroy the Tories.....:devil::devil:

Thats a bit of a sweeping statement! Ill have you know Im a Conservative voter and not ashamed to admit it either. :mad:

As for Baroness Thatcher, the woman is a Godess who saved this country from economic ruin! I worship the ground she walks on. Only daft northerners pining for the old days of working a mile underground shovelling coal resent what she did. Sod the miners!

Thats understandable conservatives have little shame at the best of times.:laugh::laugh: PS. I was actually refering to conservative MP's not the votors. The votors are simply gullable. Used to be one myself. Yes i used to be conservative and have now seen the error of my ways.:laugh:

Ahh i can't be bothered to read these essays.

Science sucks.

ditto

Andy the sort of text speak you refer to is used by loads of people, and sent in by supporters of all the housemates, not just Science. I'm sure you've come on here deliberately to wind people up and get a reaction; you've got you wanted haven't you?

Actually text speak really annoys me, I can't understand it at all. But loads of people use text speak, not just fans of Big Brother, and certainly not just fans of Science.

As for people using his catchphrase 'yer get me', it's only the same as when people picked up on Maxwell's phrase 'off the hook' and used it. I wouldn't take it too seriously.

I would rather read these well constructed paragraphs that actually explain people's points of view than just the I hate such and such housemate. At least then you can have a proper debate.

I cant help those few members bothered enough to read my long-winded boring posts getting wound up over them. I believe tmy comments to be fair and justified even if nobody else doesnt. And although Ive come out in defence of Derek over his actions and believe he deserves to win, I still consider myself impartial without banging a drum for certain housemates. If Derek does anything I deem out of order I will say so.

To be honest, I cant remember a single BB series where Ive constantly changed my views on the housemates, and Ive seen them all - even BB 4 :sleep:. Science had every chance to prove himself this week to demonstrate that he is an erudite man of intellect and knowledge but he failed - spectacularly.

His mad fans havent helped me deciding either.:bored:

I was like you the account of pretty much changing my views on housemates on a daily basis throughout this series and now I dislike the majority of them and I am tired of the show to be honest.

If you were truly impartial then you would not favour any housemate but it seem's clear that you do indeed favour Derek in the way that you have spoke at length about the different things about him that you like and you seem attached to him due to his political views, hobbies and class.

I don't like the way you seem to pocket all science fans in one group as mad people, some may well be but the fact remains that he has varying levels of support from a good number of people.

Ive never said all Science fans are mad. Thats ridiculous. I just think a large proportion of his young fan base are (if that helps).

I like Derek but even I will admit some of his mannerisms and snobbery can be a little off-putting. But of course Derek's political views and love for fox hunting immediately make me warm to him than the other housemates.

Hello.

I am also from the upper class of Britain *seriously*. I do not support fox hunting. I don't support the Tories. I don't have a problem with homosexuals or black people.

AndyJK.

Your comments about "go back to your council houses you dole scroungers"... Was it meant to be a joke? *I'm asking a question*

Nobody looks down on Derek because of his class, and if they do they are maybe just jealous, I don't know. You could say they have a problem with him because he's black, he's homosexual, he's a member of the Tory party. You could say anything about him. And yet you look down on Science!

Science does NOT represent the youth of today. I am the youth of today, and lemme tell you, rhyming a lot and arguing isn't the half of it!

Has he vandalised anything like Kitten did in BB5? No.

Has he started swearing? Yes, but so has every other housemate bar maybe Eugene.

Has he been a nuisance? Yes, but only to those who find him annoying. He hasn't "loitered", unless you count Craig's rather funny-for-the-wrong-reasons comment the other night.

So maybe he's similar, but he's NOT the representation of the youth of today, he's a young lad who has dreams and aspirations, who is what he is because of his society, which maybe you don't realise, isn't his fault!

Like having the last word don't you Andy? How old are you anyway? I'm interested to know.

PS- Slightly off topic

Big Brother is draining and exhausting to watch. I dreamt about it last night. I dreamt that Science punched Anthony in the face and was evicted from the Big Brother House!

FFS I think I need a break and to take a step back from it all. It sends people crazy. I hate watching it religiously each night. It's ridiculous and a sad state of affairs. I can't believe I watch such banality. | I need my sleep. I work dammit!!! I'll be glad when it's over.

Here, here!

Hi, I am upper class. I live in a mansion in Harrogate, Leeds. I have 100 acres, 10 horses, a barn and 8 cars.

I enjoy fox hunting, snobbery, and looking down my nose at the lower class. I hate common people and want to shoot Tony Blair.

I am very right wing and worship the ground Baroness Thatcher walks on. Although I am not that way inclined, I'd gladly take Dennis's place (God rest his soul) and become her new "companion"

Stupid people annoy me and I don't understand what a "Chav" is and hope never to find out.

I love myself and all my snobby friends and I don't care if I have a double barrel name or that my children are called Tinkerbell and Rupert.

I'm not sure what Butlins or Lanzarote is, but I love holiday's in Africa and our villa in the south of France.

I never give money to the poor as they should get off their council housed, benefit frauding backsides to earn their keep.

I have lots of money and my hubby is a Lord. I love my life and would not change it for anything.

RULE BRITANNIA!!!

I read thru all those posts, the majority of which seem to have given AndyJK exactly what he wanted; a heated angry response which he can provoke further. But IMO only Banarama has hit the point spot on, Derek isn't really upper class. He's an upstart middle class, middle england wannabe who THINKS he's upper class cos he talks posh and others buy into his self delusion!! (I should note I didn't agree with much else that Banarama said though).

Personally, I don't care about his politics, hobbies, homelife or whatever. I could look back over all the previous BB's and pick my faves, but I'd have no idea what their flippin views on fox hunting were, and what the hell does it matter. Maybe Helen from BB2 (one of my all time favs) favoured a protectionist economic policy and strict immigration control! I don't know or care. My faves in the house are generally picked on those I genuinely like as people (none this year, maybe Eugene) or those that play the game well and screw with other housemates.

And IMO, whatever fecking class he is, Derek is still the best gameplayer in the house, and he's my fave as a result. He's being nasty and manipulating people and turning them against each other. He's easily picked out Science's main weakness (short temper followed by incomprehensible ranting) and so he plays on it. He gets others to provoke him, and for the main Science walks right into it everytime. Derek offered him advice and an ally at the start but when Science screwed him by revealing his secret little comments, he put himself firmly in Derek's sights. If he goes this week it's gotta be down to some degree to Derek but also BB's biased editing.