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Billy 05-12-2009 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lili (Post 2736311)
The whole question just reeks of snobbery. It's essentially saying that it would be the worst thing in the world to claim benefits and live in council housing.

I don't claim benefits, but I live in council housing. Not because I have to, but because I'm working class. Worked since I was 16 til I had my kids. My husband works and he earns a **** wage, as we live in an area which is renowned for **** wages (just ask Billy).

We don't have the opportunities some of you have. We weren't all born with a silver effing spoon in our mouth. Sorry for being irate, but this kind of thing irks the ***** out of me.

what she said.

Lewis. 05-12-2009 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thebeast (Post 2736328)
It is not snobbery at all but there are SOME capable people in the UK who take advantage and sponge off the system. Fair enough to the people who have genuine illness or can't find a job after hunting everyday for one.

I agree. There are genuinely people who need the system to live their lives adequately, but there are some who take advantage of it

Billy 05-12-2009 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LewisLeona (Post 2736339)
I agree. There are genuinely people who need the system to live their lives adequately, but there are some who take advantage of it

The question is still snobby though, cos it's insinuating that living in a council house etc is the lowest of the low.

Beastie 05-12-2009 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy (Post 2736342)
The question is still snobby though, cos it's insinuating that living in a council house etc is the lowest of the low.


It is not we are just openly talking about it. I don't think of any less of someone who lives in a council house over someone who lives in a mansion.

InOne 05-12-2009 10:59 PM

The question though itself, the 'If you had to' bit.

Beastie 05-12-2009 10:59 PM

A council house is not even the lowest of the low, some council houses are better than some houses people pay rent or mortgages for.

Billy 05-12-2009 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by thebeast (Post 2736352)
It is not we are just openly talking about it. I don't think of any less of someone who lives in a council house over someone who lives in a mansion.

it bloody is. "if you had to", as if we're bloody diseased or something.

lily. 05-12-2009 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy (Post 2736342)
The question is still snobby though, cos it's insinuating that living in a council house etc is the lowest of the low.

Yup. And, note that people who don't live in council housing don't seem to see that they are coming across as judgemental.

I don't go around making assumptions about people who live in private estates... and I'd ask you not to make assumptions about us, but frankly, I don't give a flying ***** what you think now.

InOne 05-12-2009 11:04 PM

Yeah, nothing wrong with it. Live and let live, which some people just can't do, therefore rely on Stereotypes

Tom 05-12-2009 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lili (Post 2736260)
What stigma?

Are you actually that oblivious?

Oh and for the record I never said there was anything wrong with it, just based on what other people think about it.

Beastie 05-12-2009 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2736373)
Yeah, nothing wrong with it. Live and let live, which some people just can't do, therefore rely on Stereotypes

I am not relying on stereotypes, it all comes down to what the person actually does.

lily. 05-12-2009 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 2736377)
Are you actually that oblivious?

Oh and for the record I never said there was anything wrong with it, just based on what other people think about it.

No, I'm not oblivious. I was brought up in a council estate and I currently live in a council estate, so how would I know what the people from the "better" estates say about us.

Beastie 05-12-2009 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 2736377)
Are you actually that oblivious?

Oh and for the record I never said there was anything wrong with it, just based on what other people think about it.


I think it is a good question to start off a debate Tom but some people get all defensive and argumentitive over the subject.

InOne 05-12-2009 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thebeast (Post 2736380)
I am not relying on stereotypes, it all comes down to what the person actually does.

Yes but it's still Stereotypes really

Tom 05-12-2009 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lili (Post 2736382)
No, I'm not oblivious. I live in a council estate, so how would I know what the people from the "better" estates say about us.

Through the media and what other people who don't live on one say?

lily. 05-12-2009 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thebeast (Post 2736385)
I think it is a good question to start off a debate Tom but some people get all defensive and argumentitive over the subject.

Some people? Why don't you just say what's on your mind? You think I'm being defensive and argumentative.

Ok, lets make a thread about black people and how there's a stigma that they are all thieving criminal bastards.

Then see who gets defensive.

You're *****ing offensive love.

lily. 05-12-2009 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 2736387)
Through the media and what other people who don't live on one say?


Are you actually kidding me with this ****. You are so far up your own arse Tom. I always knew you were a bit uppity, but this is taking it to a whole other level.

Beastie 05-12-2009 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2736386)
Yes but it's still Stereotypes really

Yeah but I see it from various points of view. I KNOW quite a few people who live in council houses work very hard to pay for their families, etc, but there are people who spend all their benefits on weed or whatever but this is in the minority. If you are not in the "spend all your benefits on weed, etc," stereotype group then you should have no problem living in a council house.

lily. 05-12-2009 11:11 PM

Oh
My
God.


That post was right up there with.. "some of my best friends are gay".

InOne 05-12-2009 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by thebeast (Post 2736400)
Yeah but I see it from various points of view. I KNOW quite a few people who live in council houses work very hard to pay for their families, etc, but there are people who spend all their benefits on weed or whatever but this is in the minority. If you are not in the "spend all your benefits on weed, etc," stereotype group then you should have no problem living in a council house.

Some don't live on council estates and sponge and smoke weed. All the little rich kids who live of mummy and daddy.

andyman 05-12-2009 11:12 PM

I want a council house, cheap rent n all..

Billy 05-12-2009 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by thebeast (Post 2736400)
Yeah but I see it from various points of view. I KNOW quite a few people who live in council houses work very hard to pay for their families, etc, but there are people who spend all their benefits on weed or whatever but this is in the minority. If you are not in the "spend all your benefits on weed, etc," stereotype group then you should have no problem living in a council house.

Then why doesn't the thread say "would you illegally go on benefits if you had to" rather than making people who do live in council houses etc feel like they're worth less than people who live in eighteen bedroom houses with four bathrooms?

Tom 05-12-2009 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lili (Post 2736396)
Are you actually kidding me with this ****. You are so far up your own arse Tom. I always knew you were a bit uppity, but this is taking it to a whole other level.

Nah you've completely got the wrong end of the stick here

All I'm asking is with all the negativity around it, would you do it? I've not said there is anything wrong with it so don't accuse me of that.

Shaun 05-12-2009 11:13 PM

Agreed with InOne and lili really. People living off rich mummies and daddies are worse people than people in council housing - as one is a lifestyle choice, the other is not necessarily.

We all know there ARE spongers, but that's sensationalised by the press. Very few do in reality. What about people on waiting lists for the housing?

Beastie 05-12-2009 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2736404)
Some don't live on council estates and sponge and smoke weed. All the little rich kids who live of mummy and daddy.

Yes I know.. that is why I said the ones who sponge off council estates and smoke weed are in the MINORITY. I live at home but I pay for EVERYTHING myself. I pay my mum and dad board each month and we are NOT rich.

lily. 05-12-2009 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy (Post 2736410)
Then why doesn't the thread say "would you illegally go on benefits if you had to" rather than making people who do live in council houses etc feel like they're worth less than people who live in eighteen bedroom houses with four bathrooms?


Thank you Billy. It seems you have taken this in much the same way as I have. Could it be something to do with the fact that we live in council housing and aren't lowlifes?

Billy 05-12-2009 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by lili (Post 2736420)
Thank you Billy. It seems you have taken this in much the same way as I have. Could it be something to do with the fact that we live in council housing and aren't lowlifes?

It may be!

MrGaryy 05-12-2009 11:18 PM

u's r all durty schemiez. xo

lily. 05-12-2009 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGaryy (Post 2736434)
u's r all durty schemiez. xo

Considering this Gary..



єℓℓє says:
*i'm a schemey
G || if you could only see; says:
*what's a schemey
єℓℓє says:
*someone who was raised on a council estate.
*council housing schemes.
*as they are known here.
*hence schemey





You can't insult me with it now since you asked me what it meant.. <3

Stephanie 05-12-2009 11:21 PM

if some people didn't spend their benefits on shite and laze around all day in their council houses when they could be working (not including elderly people, or people who can't work or are trying to get a job but can't) then there wouldn't be this stigma attached to living in them, and imo there isn't anything wrong with it and alot of the people who live in council houses do work, and don't abuse their rights to benefits but the minority do.

Tom 05-12-2009 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lili (Post 2736420)
Thank you Billy. It seems you have taken this in much the same way as I have. Could it be something to do with the fact that we live in council housing and aren't lowlifes?

and I think you've completely taken it the wrong way. If you're not oblivious then you'd know about the stigma attached to it. And if thats what you're trying to prove otherwise to those who don't know, then maybe the best way isn't to be so touchy and accuse people of things that haven't even been said.

lily. 05-12-2009 11:24 PM

Oh just **** off.. I'm sick of you now..

Tom 05-12-2009 11:24 PM

Yet funny how you've said NOTHING to those who didn't vote yes :rolleyes:

Beastie 05-12-2009 11:27 PM

I wouldn't be defensive or argumentive if there was a thread about "what do you think of people who still live with mummy and daddy" :joker:

InOne 05-12-2009 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by thebeast (Post 2736464)
I wouldn't be defensive or argumentive if there was a thread about "what do you think of people who still live with mummy and daddy" :joker:

It's not about 'living with mummy and daddy', it's the ones who sponge and that are as bad as those who live on a council estate, what kind of house you live in makes no difference to the person you are.

Tom 05-12-2009 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2736477)
It's not about 'living with mummy and daddy', it's the ones who sponge and that are as bad as those who live on a council estate, what kind of house you live in makes no difference to the person you are.

How do you know thats not a misconception and they actually pay their way, meaning that could be interpreted just like 'all people on benefits are lazy'?

Hugo 05-12-2009 11:42 PM

ew, poor ppl.

InOne 05-12-2009 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 2736482)
How do you know thats not a misconception and they actually pay their way, meaning that could be interpreted just like 'all people on benefits are lazy'?

I'm saying it works both ways, maybe their is more on a Council Estate but everyone from different classes does that. And is sponging of ma and pa any better than being on the dole?

Billy 05-12-2009 11:51 PM

and I love how it was Bronaaaa and Courtney12whatever that said no lmao. Says alot.

pinkmichk 08-12-2009 06:54 PM

bloody labels piss me right off and the stereotypical view people get of people just cos of a group who take the piss you only ever hear in the news about those who proper abuse it
i am myself living in a council house i'm on benefits and guess by some standards on here i'd be lowest of low cos i also happen to be a single mum but not all of us are the same i worked from 15 to 21 when i had my baby only reason i am on benefits at mo (i hate being on them by the way its not what i would choose to do) is because due to how my life panned out i am a single mum and while my daughter is still young i am not gonna pay someone to look after her (which would be the same place i would be working in as a nursery nurse so why not give her the best possible care now) i am going back to work when she starts school full time in jan
i dont care what people think of me for how i happen to live my life at the moment if your gonna hate one people do it on those who purposely get pregnant straight out of school so they never work just get house and benefits dont slap us all under the same bracket


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