It is not for us to comment on the internal judical afairs of another sovereign state.

We do business every day with China, and injudicious words should not be allowed to put that at risk.

China does its own Corrupt Mental Checking.
Your Computer and TV is made in China
or parts of it,
so even though they are not western in thinking
they are the World Leader in Cheap Trade.


One Eyed Scottish Brown
told the World that China wrecked the Climate Debate.
So it not like the UK is in a good way with China.

He could have gone on a Flight out there to stop this
would have been a Vote winner,
but he is No Good as a Leader.

Yes Sticks that is the Official way
but our Media keeps it up high.

It will not stop the Shipping of Computers
Trade is not at Risk
this is Political
and One Eyed Scottish Brown
has Punched China in the Face
a few weeks back at the Climate Event.

Drugs isnt death worthy imo

I'm in the business of free speech, myself. I realise China doesn't have surplus stocks of that, but I'm sure they talk about us quiet a bit too. What a fucked up world you live in.

I'm inclined to believe that the 'mentally ill' claim was just an attempt to get him off - especially bearing in mind that the family also claimed that the drugs were planted on him. Which is it - mentally ill and not knowing what he was doing or the drugs were planted?

Agree with posters that said if he did do it - then more fool him, no good whining about it when you get caught. He didn't even have the excuse of being young and ignorant - he was in his fifties. If he decided to take the risk, but the odds went against him - then that is the price he has to pay! People should know by now that you can't mess around and abuse other countries' laws.

God forbid it's possible to be old and ignorant.

Of course - but the older you get the more you learn - called life experience - it isn't a fallacy!

I don't buy that one bit. Intelligence is not directly linked to age. Life is more complex than that. Some people stay in front of the telly collecting welfare cheques for all eternity, some don't absorb knowledge, some do but never capatalise on it, some people just seem to get thicker as they go along, some people start out fine and become born again at the age of 42.

You can't just say older instantly = wiser.

Taking your logic a 42 year old will always be smarter and in a better position to make judgements than a 22 year old.

I never said it was! I'm not talking about intelligence - that is genetically determined. I am talking about knowledge - and a lot of that comes over time - as I said before - life experience!

Well if he was truly in a manic phase, you can become delusional, hallucinate and really not know what was going on. Bipolar isn't always about being manic and depressed. If he was in that state at the time then he didn't deserve to die for it. The family even flew to China to try convince them of his mental illness. UK should have done more really. But it's China, which is a brutal country anyway. If I was in a manic phase and that happened to me i'd hope my country would have done more to prevent my death. I know how it feels and you really have no control. So it's not about 'Do the crime do the time' when mental illness comes into it.

If his illness was likely to cause him to break the law, then why visit a country like China where everyone knows his illness won't be accepted as a defence?

Cos sometimes you are in control sometimes you're not. You can be ok for years and then suddenly break down

I'm not trying to be unsympathetic, and I agree that his illness is a valid defence, but I just always feel the same about the laws of other lands. I'm the first one to harp on about people respecting the laws/cultures of the UK, and I believe that applies to everyone all across the world.

For example, I wouldn't visit some of the strict muslim countries where I would be punished for wearing shorts..

I assume he was thinking clearly when he chose to visit China. Why then, did he not realise the danger he could theoretically put himself in, had a manic episode occurred during his visit?

Fair enough if he did suffer from the illness. Have the family produced any evidence of that do you know? All seems a bit convenient when considering that they also claim that the drugs were planted on him. If one defence fails - got the safety net of the other.

He went there to start a music career, me also made very odd music videos, and he was sending erratic letters to the British embassy in Poland. A doc also comfirmed he suffered from a delusional form of Bipolar. A British doc was denied access to see him in China.

According to sky news WOMBAI: Mr Shaikh's family and supporters say he was seriously mentally ill and was duped into carrying the drugs unknowingly by a gang.



I'm not always quick to believe people were "duped" into carrying drugs. I can't help thinking they would be offered a substantial financial sum for doing so, and that's why they carried them.



SKY NEWS ARTICLE HERE

There appears to be no previous record of his 'mental illness'.

Doesn't anyone find that odd?

It seems from reading that, that there may have been some sort of evidence of his condition. Don't think the government would have been taking such a stance if they were not aware of it. It is a difficult judgement to make without knowing all the facts.

The problem is, we'll get two distorted versions of 'the facts'. One from the corrupt Chinese government and one from an outraged grieving family.

Fair enough, mixing up of terms, but I still don't think what you are saying is strictly true. A lot of teens read books. A lot of adults remain thick. Look at the baby P case. I just don't think it's fair to assume the older someone is the wiser.

Cliches aint' always true. Just most of the time :wink:.

He's dead
It's over
Move on and stop bad mouthing one of our principal trading partners :nono:

Do you not care about British jobs in the middle of the deepest recession?

Alright then. Don't bring up Jesus to me.

I understand what you say with the bigger picture, we must suck on the teet of the Red Beast and brush humanity under the carpet..

So do we reckon Chinese intelligence has taken a fancy to the ol' TiBB?

Hey guys, if your reading, your country's a load of ****.

:hugesmile:

Indeed, I wonder if this happened to a White Middle Class teacher, things would be different

:joker:

Anyway, this is why I majorly detest China. They're a sick, disgraceful and ultimately fucked up country with fucked up morals.

Oh, i think he should just be arrested

I suspect he was at some point.

How dare you tell people what to discuss? Our forefathers fought for our freedom and our rights. We live in a free country. We have freedom of speech, and if we wish to discuss this or anything else, then we shall.

Freedom of speech does not entitle one to yell fire in a crowded theatre (When there is no fire)

With such comes responsibilities.

If you want to get anal about it, it does, making that a terrible metaphor, if it were not bad enough as it is.

"has been executed in China"

That says it all really.

The food rocks, but that's about it.

Now let's hope they don't stop sending us fine goods.

Fair enough if it was any other person who was perfectly sane.. It is Chinas rules.. But they really should have taken his condition into consideration before making any quick decisions. I am personally disgusted with the way that the case was held. They had no sympathy for the fact that he was very vulnerable and had a mental illness. The things that China get away with, because of their insane amount of money, is disgusting.

Would you care for Romans 13:1-7, a section some people forget.

This case was handled in accordance with their laws, which as a sovereign state they are entitled to do, without interference from outsiders.

Wait, so your holding up The Bible as a moral and judicial compass? That's a good one. First of all I don't believe in what The Bible has to say, making it a meaningless argument to me, second of all it contradicts itself a dizzying amount of times, third of all - and dragging Godwins Law into it - so nobody should have challenged, say, the Third Reich's law's and policys?

And you know Chinese law is not inspired or upheld by Christianity or The Bible right? Making your argument even more meaningless? Not everybody believes what you believe. And thank god for that.

Your metaphor still sucked, and your reasoning still sucks. Unless Chinese intelligence in fact are viewing the forums.

That was brief. I could sit here all day and poke holes in all the aspects of these arguments of yours that I find riddiculous.

Graeme, I already said something similar. It's their country, their laws, and their decision ultimately.

But I take issue with you insisting we should not discuss this. This is a discussion forum. We don't live in China. We live in the UK. We are entitled to discuss this.

Yes Lili
in the UK we can Debate it.


But no one can change China
but the people of China , over many, many years.

Yes he is Dead.


But it is Not Over

Tit For Tat.



Sign Of The Times.