i believe the food stuff affected is not a lot and just things like bananas and snap peas? hardly a urgent need and if as a country we can survive through things like foot and mouth which surely had a bigger effect on food industry than a dust cloud

"and not a lot of that because its so expensive."


Utter Rubbish you Speak
I pay 50p for Fresh Snap Kenya Beans in AsdaWalmart
they come by Air.


Get Your Facts in order.

oh and this picure is truly stunning mother nature at her best

"I dub thee Sir Arista panic merchant extraordinaire"


No need to Panic today
but soon You will.


Feel The Force.

What is AsdaWalmart?

What are Fresh Snap Kenya Beans?


Obviously so important for life I have never used either, Oh my I must be dead. Tuckfard.

Ever tried getting off your automated ass and growing something yourself? No too easy an answer but oh so many problems with it eh, it doesnt come ready wrapped in disposable wrappings.

Self Reliance is the way forward. See you at Armageddon tard.

AsdaWalmart
is the best Value Store in the UK.

"What are Fresh Snap Kenya Beans"


http://img.21food.com/userimages/eny...$104111422.gif

Ignore the rest of the post then.

But I presume you, mean Asda-Walmart do you arseta

Oh green beans then why didnt you say that, they can and are produced in the uk only tight supermarket chains wont actually pay the going rate to UK farmers for them so buy them and ship them to the UK coz its cheaper,

No these Kenya brand are Sweet
we can no produce them in the UK

buy British produce ffs


beans from kenya?

l
o
f
l

No so you would rather pay Asda Walmart for them to buy them from Kenya, without knowing anything about production ethics costs or values.


Nice you got to love that, all so you get a sweet out of season vegetable. Hell yes lets ship em in, just so Arista can have them scattered about his living unit as a green carpet.

Yes they are Cheaper than any UK one
that is why they Fly them in.


Welcome to The Real World

"about production ethics costs or value"


I know for Fact that those Afican Farmers are
now in big trouble as they can not transport the Stock
it is going off.


When you go to AsdaWalmart
you can get better than M&S Quality
and less price.

Ethics
do not come into this

Tesco Fresh Snap Kenya Beans are the best x

Of course ethics come into it, want to know why its cheaper to grow and ship from Kenya? M&S actually source all their products and as far as possible ensure its producers at least meet FairTrade standards, Asda and Tescos definately dont in fact the opposite, they dont care so long as the product is cheap enough and of decent quality.

heres a little clue in order to reduce spoillage the product is sprayed with chemicals the people doing the spraying have no protective equipment.

In order to make a quicker ripening crop some companies use prohibited chemicals, after the beans have been harvested they burn the crop as opposed to cutting it, this in turn produces a chemical smog that drifts for miles.
The producers do not give contracts to its workers ( they employ only temporay workers )
to avoid cases of compensation caused by chemicals in the beans they tend and pick, and in turn avoid social responsibility payment of health and pension funds.

So fine arista you go for your asda sweet beans just dont worry about the exploitation of overseas workers to ensure you get a really cheap product( oh and the supermarket getting a really big profit). Life in the Fast Lane eh?

"the exploitation of overseas workers to ensure you get a really cheap product"


Without us buying the African Products
they will be more poor.
They have Jobs
that is what matters in Africa.



And 50p for Kenya Sweet Snap beans (Brought in fast by Air - making them Uttra Fresh)
is better than Tesco prices or any other Supermarket
AsdaWalmart are the UK best Value Store.



Sign Of The Times.

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/env...s-and-old.html

Ah the logic of a child, Asda Walmart are a US owned store, tescos and M&S are UK owned.

In the not too distant future when parafin is ultra expensive how will you get the produce form africa to asda fruit and veg aisle? Enjoy it while you can.

The kenyans may have a job currently, but that job has no long term viability as long as greedy selfish consumers like yourself insist that cost is their foremost consideration when selecting a product from overseas.

Asda Walmart are a US owned


Yes So what.
Every Electrics in you home are from China.

Dont be silly.

(Make up your mind, because if US ownership is good in this thread dont be slagging old GB for allowing more of it it another thread.)

US companies are mostly profit driven and not particularly either driven by ethics or environmantal concerns, so continue to buy from them.

However in a few months time when A-W are shown to be exploiting some Nigerian milkman or Mongolian cameldung collectors, it will be pointless blaming the government or the people in charge of asda walmart.

Blame yourself for buying from them and contributing to their exploitation of overseas workers, when there are no more high street shops left to compete with them, blame yourself because you wouldnt buy British. When there are no British farms producing British produce, blame yourself for buying cheaper overseas products and not seasonal British produce.

"US companies are mostly profit driven"


Sure

So are British Evil Tesco.

Didnt say they werent, however they are more ethical, same as M&S and The Co-op.

You should buy british though if you want the best for britain, Boycott the US imperialist foodchain asdawalmart. Buy from Good old British Co op M&S and Tesco, to truly make Britain great again.

No
Tesco are Evil Land Grabbers.

PMSL

You do amuse me Arista. Come on then how are Tesco land grabbers? Enlighten us why they alone should be singled out for this honour from you as opposed to their rivals?

"Enlighten us "


Whats all this "Us"
just you stuck in bad ethics.

Okay then enlighten me! (But there are two of us sharing this computer chair at the moment).

Incidentally, you are the one saying that we are in an emergency because of airplanes being grounded, you wont be able to get your cheap green beans from asda. Hardly a great emergency, as I stated earlier the only industry losing money within the uk to any great extent is tourist and travel. You stated incorrectly we would soon be starving. I pointed out the vast majority of our food imports comes in by container ship. So where is this crisis or emergency?

So where is this crisis or emergency?


That comes a days move on.

"You stated incorrectly we would soon be starving"


Stop changing Wording
As time goes on
we "could" run out of Food.

And the end result of running out of food would be stavation would it not?

However that isnt going to happen, its only highly perishable foodstuffs that are shipped in by air, less than 1% of the UK's total food imports.

If the airlines stay grounded indefinately all that happens is we loose some of the choice of non uk seasonal vegetables, no great loss, it would reduce the carbon emmissions caused by air freight. Air freight creates 177 times more CO2 than shipping simialr weights. So its swings and roundabouts isnt it?

Be a bit like living in the 70's what with all the strikes preventing foodstuffs being imported or delivered to your local store. A sharp dose of reality for a lot of people too reliant on modern day conveniences.

In other words the green beans you get at your beloved ASDA may not always be available however you will be able to buy European and UK grown green beans over a slightly shorter period.

"less than 1%"


No thats wrong.

I buy British Veg & Fruit
but some Veg & Fruit
needs Hotter Sunshine
like South African Grapes.

Of course i am, i just made it up, so did

http://www.thegrocer.co.uk/articles....cles&ID=122920
"Fewer than 1% of food imports in 2006 came by air, though air freight accounted for 15% of carbon emissions from food transport, it added in an update on ...
"
as did the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/food_matters/foodmiles.shtml
"Although air-freighted produce accounts for less than one per cent of total UK food miles, it is responsible for around 11 per cent of the total CO2 emissions from UK food transport."

so did the UK Government

https://statistics.defra.gov.uk/esg/...ca%20trade.pdf

Whilst air freight accounts for about 22.7% of uk imports and exports, that is goods inbound and outbound, food imports by air are very small.(thats value not quantity)

Top tip for you though Arista, buy as much as you can, blanch (2mins in boiling water) it then freeze it in usable amounts, you could fill up your whole freezer with it and outlast the possible crisis.

Take it from me most if not all grapes are shipped in refrigerated containers on ships.

And the flight ban is extended again until 7pm tomorrow night....

I can see this ban going on for a lot longer than people seem to think, since there is a huge chance of the neighbouring volcano going off too...if that happens, we are fretty fecked for at least a few months.

LOL, my father in law is meant to be going to turkey on friday...this is karma, for him not booking for me and gavin too :laugh:

This is straying from the OP

The ships exist with the capability to be used as transatlantic passenger ships since it is now looking like the complete end of air travel out of Europe for several years

Yes it shows us Ships are so Important
in times like this.


http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content...3/15608264.jpg
Although TV presenter Dan Snow
could not take all the people he wanted to
as the French claimed papers were not in order.


A BBC Film crew
will make this into a Docu
at some point

Or a nice little earner for Spain and Portugal.

Love the panic mongering, where did you come up with that "complete end of air travel out of Europe for several years" Let me guess the 15th Quatraine(8th century) of Nostradamus, combined with Saturns rings aligning with Uranus. Plus we have entered into the last 1000 days of the Mayan Long Count.

Sticks, ever thought of sticking in for a job at COBRA(Cabinet Office Briefing Room Alpha) - they are always on the lookout for talented people like yourself who can turn a minor crisis into a national emergency. I have an email address for them if you want it