:nono: I'm Catholic and I don't have a problem with it!

No thats not equality thats second class status gay people pay the same bloody taxes they are human beings like anyone else

Civil marriage is a secular thing its UK secular law and is done in a register office and not a church this doesn`t affect religious people what so ever

You cannot use religion as a way to stop people doing what they want to do
If you choose to be religious thats fine but you cannot force others o be the same

Same here I am a liberal catholic and I m very pro gay I wish they would stop saying we`re all the same :nono:

I seriously wouldnt have wanted Dave to be the vicar to marry me and my missus. It was bad enough with the priest being intoxicated from his Friday night session than being on a bender with the lord.

I agree.

There are plenty of places gay people can get married. He is entitled to his opinion. I dont agree with it but its his choice.

However, I didnt like the loaded question by Josie in the first place. I suspect she would have been against gay marriage if he was for it just to give her an excuse to vote for him. She is not as daft as she acts I think.

It's nothing more than his own personal morality. It's not as if he is waving a bible at Mario telling him that his lifestyle is wrong. Is he a little bit brainwashed? Probably, but I am sure he is far too busy worrying about doing the right thing in his own life to go around giving insufferable sermons.

This :thumbs: She is definately a gameplayer.

Ok, so you support the whole "agree-with-me-or-you're-scum" argument?

same reason you cant call a gay man a wife


work it out


marriage is for a man and woman

2 blokes can get together but it aint a marriage, lol

marriages make children and children and families are what makes the world, this needs protection.

breeders have precedent. end of.

its not harsh it is intolerance and bigotry and they type of sadly ironic hysterical response that damages the whole debate.

He is infact a Freak God Nutter.

agreed

and a big fake phoney

Speaking of hypocrisy (not exactly but hear me out..)

It is no coincidence that homosexuality and equality for homosexuality, tolerance for homosexuality is happening where?
What countries?
Christian countries.
And not that they are all Christian but western christian nations founded on christian principles.
Its not a fluke coincidence. It is actually BECAUSE of Christianity.
In fact, that so many here are evangelical about 'equality' is BECAUSE they were raised in a culture premised in Christianity.

People take this for granted. You see here where people just presume we should all agree that 'equality' is a RIGHT.
That it IS RIGHT.
That is it universally and objectively correct and morally right that people be treated equal.
Says who?
In many a culture throughout history and today and in a large part of the world that is NOT A GIVEN PREMISE.
That is some 'Christian value' or belief and they would tell you there is NOTHING saying all people are equal or should be.
Just because your Christian based society has that philosophy based on its bible!

This is why 'gay rights' and 'gay marriages' and the ability to make gay media, gay parades etc,
this happens in the most Christian nations.
and,
NOT because it conforms to Christianity but because Christians believe that 'God loves all people' and that people ought to have a 'right' to do what they will (even wrong things) and can't be less for it.

So the next time you are assuming 'equality and justice' are 'rights' you can thank your Christian heritage.
Next time you want gays treated fairly you can thank the New Testament for that belief.

He said HE would not conduct a marriage ceremony between a gay couple as this would compromise his Christian beliefs and he is entitled to that stance. It has nothing to do with homophobia. I loathe any type of discrimination where it is unmerited, but in the case of religion which is a personal choice I do not see why someone should have to compromise their faith to accommodate the often secular opinions of others. There are plenty of other Christian demoninations who feel the same way, and would not entertain a gay marriage. Nobody has said gay people cannot get married if they so wish. A lot of ministers will not marry straight people who are not regular churchgoers, and quite right too. The church isn't there as a backdrop to your wedding pics, it should mean something, otherwise go do the deed in a registry office (as I did as I'm not a hypocrite).

If a gay couple want a religious ceremony one would have to ask WHY? when it so clearly states in the bible that homosexuality is not condoned. If you have decided to follow a religion you cannot just cherry pick the bits you agree with and ignore the bits don't.

I

I do have a problem with gay marriage thing.

Should we also give priority to straight couples that reinforce traditional gender roles over those that send "mixed messages" like teh gaes? Like butch women who are into cars and sports, or effeminate men into musicals and fashion? Or is opposing genitalia the only criteria, regardless of behavior?

Should infertile straight couples get married? Couples over the age of 50?

There are more proslavery verses in the Bible than antigay verses, yet people managed to look beyond so many stupid bits and accept them as "products of their time" we've moved beyond. What people freak out about morally has mostly to do with how you were raised and little to do with the Bible, which I doubt David's read.

His interpretation of Christianity is already so loose, the fact that he's strict on this issue makes him seem even more douchey than a traditional evangelical.

dont marry a gay then

Thats it! We gonna divorce now.

This is a very good point...

I already said - if I wanted to get married to a dude and it was up to him, he'd deny us marriage. I don't think it's harsh in the least to think of him as scum for that.

I was just saying what marriage was originally probably established for, as I have also made clear it's function has changed considerably over time. Religious people take the older view of it I suppose.

Of course women and men do not have to fit into specific roles, however in general they are different kinds of role models for a child in any society where there are clear differences between men and women (physical and biological ones for example).

I think people confuse sexual equality where people can do what they want in bed (not altogether new, previous societies have had it) and a child's rights which some people I suppose don't value over their own desires.

There are so few gay "marriages" that it hardly is worth the debate and i think numbers are on the decrease?

We should be concentrating on why poorly educated people cannot get married and stay together!

all marriages are on the decrease, especially with increased education.

and to starry, I would much rather a child be with two sane homosexual men than two insane religious former addicts that happen to be straight like David & Whoever. Or two straight people that get in fights constantly and divorce with kids. My point is that your mental and physical ability should be the #1 criteria, not gender. I just dont get the genitalia obsession, like it matters in reality.

It isn't just about genitals that is a ridiculous simplification. Although I suppose some transsexuals may look at it like that.

And yes of course you can have bad parents of whatever type, but that is just trying to confuse the issue with some other unconnected particulars. You might have some homosexual couple who are religious addicts of some type too I suppose.

You said "To me, anyone who doesn't support gay marriage is a ****ing idiot."

That's a MASSIVE generalisation. And you're showing that you don't have the capability to listen to reason, and that you have no respect for other people's opinions.

Unconnected particulars? How about totally connected particulars? We're talking about what makes a bad parent or a parent of "less priority", and I'm saying sanity has much more to do with raising kids than anything else. And the strength of your marriage vows. Of course many homosexual couples should NOT have children, just like many straight couples. These are not far off abstractions...my examples were excessive religiosity and divorce, very common traits that I find more practically harmful to a child than being around untraditional gender roles.

well he's sure as hell going to have lost alot of public support there!

I'm celebrating my 41st wedding anniversary today so I obviously agree with marriage. I believe civil services are right for all sorts of reasons and hope that in future gays will be allowed to marry if they want to.

Dave has his Christian beliefs, to which he equally entitled and it's just that he didn't want to cause conflict by saying any more. Actually, I think, the same as he didn't chose Govan to be up for eviction because he thought it would make him unpopular

who?

Are you effing serious? Thats EXACTLY what most religious folk do. Selective reading. Truth is you can pick bits out of the bible to justify or condemn anything.

And where does it say in the bible; thou shall molest the choir boys?

Well, seeing as this Thread is about Dave, who do you think?????

Homosexuality is antiChristian. David is entitled to his views.

There may be other things that could be potentially more harmful (or less harmful), really it depends on the individual situation. But that's still a completely different issue.

And it's not about simply gender 'roles'. Men and women are different, some genes are different, the brains are different in some ways. The fact is - whether you like it or not - every child is born with a mother and a father.

of course he is but it's still going to make him unpopular with alot of the viewing public!

Seems you missed my point completely. So I will explain what I mean in detail, albeit this is only my personal opinion. Every single religion has its own belief system and "scriptures". Therefore it is every individual's personal choice to select that religion (or denomination thereof) that jives with their own beliefs, inclinations, moral compass whatever. Therefore a gay person has the same freedom of choice to believe or not believe in whatever a particular religion dictates.

What you don't do is CHOOSE to follow a faith or religion which is quite clearly AGAINST your particular path in life and then bleat and whinge about how it's discriminatory. There are plenty of Christian denominations that condone women priests, and just as many that don't. There are plenty of Christian denominations that condone gay marriage and just as many that don't. It's not like there's not a custom made religion for everybody since there are reportedly over 38000 denominations that ALL consider themselves Christian, so basically the cherry picking has already been done.

By the way I am not religious at all which is why I didn't get married in a Church, nor did I have my children christened since it would have been meaningless and hypocritical. But just because I am not religious doesn't mean I don't respect the right of others to believe what the hell they like.

As regards the molestation of choir boys, I think you'll find that's a given in the Catholic faith in which I was brought up till the age of 16 when I decided I could not believe in the virgin birth or some man in a frock "forgiving" my sins just so long as I spouted a hail mary or two. Like the legal system, the Law is nothing to do with justice, and Religion is often nothing to do with morality.

Unfortunately organised judeo-christian, muslim and various other religions are all based on holy books written centuries ago.

The morality taught in these books are based on a society where there was no secular law and the masses needed to be controlled, the way they did this was by promising a heavenly afterlife as long as you followed the rules whilst you are alive.

Society has (in some ways) progressed and same sex relationships are more acceptable to the majority of people. There have been some concessions in civil law to the validity of those relationships but still the religions stick to outdated and unfair doctrines that have little or nothing to do with modern life.

Being homosexual is not a life choice, there is no choice in the matter you either are or are not. The only thing that is near a choice, is to live your life to the full or live a lie and conform.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and whilst Dave says he loves everyone and has no problem with gays he just wont marry them, I find that even if he felt comfortable doing it the scriptures around which he has built his physical and spiritual life around see it as an abomination. He is in a very difficult position and I dont dislike him for being truthful.

I just wish people who seek enlightenment actually find it!

Good point. A I agree whole hartedly, but it's the one thing about the show that had always driven Me insane; people on the show express an opinion and the public crucifies them for it, them someone else says the same thing, more or less and they get away with it.

The question for Me has always been who's right and who's wrong, and who says which is which, I think the show is rife with double standards.

No one whatsoever has the right to tell Dave he is wrong in what he believes ,it is so arrogant to think your opinion is more valid than the next persons

Very *********g true, there are plenty of hetrosexual parents who abuse their kids all over the country and probably the world. Hetrosexual parent does not mean great parent.