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chuff me dizzy 08-07-2010 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter Plunker (Post 3462353)
There are two theories on creation. One is the what dave was talking about, the other is known as 'Gap creation'.

PLEASE find a God page and preach on there ,this site is about BB ,Bye and may your God go with you

fingers 08-07-2010 10:23 AM

For those who missed what sloshfests are all about and why St. Dave and his mate Peter Plonker find them so attractive, have a look - scroll down to the videos!!

http://reformedpilgrim.wordpress.com...d-big-brother/

Julie10 08-07-2010 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by headaball (Post 3460755)
The thing is I actually agree with most of Cameltoe's views on religion but she just wanted to out Dave as a homophobe and score brownie points with the public.


She wasn't interested in him before but now her gf has gone she expects him to let her score points off him to make her look good. I hope it back fires on her shes a troublemaking little cow!

Blueisthecolour 08-07-2010 11:56 AM

Any Christian with a brain would avoid getting into an argument with certain people, and Caiomhe is one of them.

Some people ask about religion and they are genuinely interested or open-minded. My impression is that Caiomhe just wants to draw him into a conversation which ends with her giving him a pile of grief and making herself feel big.

When he first went in he talked about his religion quite a bit, until Nathan accused him of only going on BB to "advertise God". Since then he's reined it in a bit.

He did get sucked in about the Gay "Marriage" question, which people have constantly mentioned in the house. But then again, if he had avoided the question he would have got stick as well.

I don't reckon he's a homophobe, that's saying too much I think. Saying you don't really believe in Gay "Marriage" is not the same as saying you hate Gay people.

I must admit though, his "Oh I'm absolutely rolling around drunk on the love of our Lord" stuff does make me chuckle and cringe at the same time.

calyman 08-07-2010 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueisthecolour (Post 3462874)
Any Christian with a brain would avoid getting into an argument with certain people, and Caiomhe is one of them.

Some people ask about religion and they are genuinely interested or open-minded. My impression is that Caiomhe just wants to draw him into a conversation which ends with her giving him a pile of grief and making herself feel big.

When he first went in he talked about his religion quite a bit, until Nathan accused him of only going on BB to "advertise God". Since then he's reined it in a bit.

He did get sucked in about the Gay "Marriage" question, which people have constantly mentioned in the house. But then again, if he had avoided the question he would have got stick as well.

I don't reckon he's a homophobe, that's saying too much I think. Saying you don't really believe in Gay "Marriage" is not the same as saying you hate Gay people.

I must admit though, his "Oh I'm absolutely rolling around drunk on the love of our Lord" stuff does make me chuckle and cringe at the same time.

I'm fed up with this "I don't believe he's a homophobe" point.

If the Blessed Dave belonged to a Church whic disallowed marriage between black and white, he by consent with the ethos of that church would be considered a racist.

Similarly, it is intolerence and bigotry which precludes his church from sanctioning same sex marriages.

In both examples bigotry is at the heart of the church ethos, therfore by sanctioning it, you accept the bigotry. Dave is indeed a homophobe.

fingers 08-07-2010 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by calyman (Post 3462996)
I'm fed up with this "I don't believe he's a homophobe" point.

If the Blessed Dave belonged to a Church whic disallowed marriage between black and white, he by consent with the ethos of that church would be considered a racist.

Similarly, it is intolerence and bigotry which precludes his church from sanctioning same sex marriages.

In both examples bigotry is at the heart of the church ethos, therfore by sanctioning it, you accept the bigotry. Dave is indeed a homophobe.

St, Dave hasn't got a church and thinks that Christianity has got it all wrong.
He is leader of a cult which believes THEY are the only ones getting it right! i.e. with sloashfests! lol :wavey:

flamingGalah! 08-07-2010 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Plunker (Post 3462045)
He can and has several times already.

And why should he care, it's just a gameshow?

He can't. Just because he has done his fake act of being drunk while sniffing the bible does not make it real... :rolleyes:

And he should care about his poor kids, they will probably have to change schools/identities now... Poor sods...

flamingGalah! 08-07-2010 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Plunker (Post 3462353)
There are two theories on creation. One is the what dave was talking about, the other is known as 'Gap creation'.

And then there is the FACTUAL version... Called EVOLUTION... :wavey:

WOMBAI 08-07-2010 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by calyman (Post 3462996)
I'm fed up with this "I don't believe he's a homophobe" point.

If the Blessed Dave belonged to a Church whic disallowed marriage between black and white, he by consent with the ethos of that church would be considered a racist.

Similarly, it is intolerence and bigotry which precludes his church from sanctioning same sex marriages.

In both examples bigotry is at the heart of the church ethos, therfore by sanctioning it, you accept the bigotry. Dave is indeed a homophobe.

Not accepting gay marriage does not make someone a homophobe! Like some say the word bully gets thrown around this forum too much - so does the word homophobe, moreso!

People are entitled to their opinions - doesn't mean they hate an entire group of people because they don't agree on some issues!

The word is often used in an attempt to intimidate people out of expressing any opinion that doesn't agree with their views on the subject! That is worse!

Peter Plunker 08-07-2010 02:21 PM

Gay marriage is illegal, doesn't matter whether he would or wouldn't marry them.

calyman 08-07-2010 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3463299)
Not accepting gay marriage does not make someone a homophobe! Like some say the word bully gets thrown around this forum too much - so does the word homophobe, moreso!

People are entitled to their opinions - doesn't mean they hate an entire group of people because they don't agree on some issues!

The word is often used in an attempt to intimidate people out of expressing any opinion that doesn't agree with their views on the subject! That is worse!

So if he said he didn't want to marry a couple because one was black and one was white, what would your definition of his reason for not doing so, be.

Remember, there are some "Christian'" who do have this ethos.

In my view such people are racists, no less than if they refused same sex marriages, they are homophobes.

calyman 08-07-2010 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Plunker (Post 3463527)
Gay marriage is illegal, doesn't matter whether he would or wouldn't marry them.

What is a marriage? It's a union. What is a civil partnership? It's a union.

The only reason in Britain that it's called a civil partnership and not a marriage is precisely because of the homophobia inherrant in the religious bigots who did not want this right to be afforded to Homosexual people.

Blueisthecolour 08-07-2010 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by calyman (Post 3462996)
I'm fed up with this "I don't believe he's a homophobe" point.

If the Blessed Dave belonged to a Church whic disallowed marriage between black and white, he by consent with the ethos of that church would be considered a racist.

Similarly, it is intolerence and bigotry which precludes his church from sanctioning same sex marriages.

In both examples bigotry is at the heart of the church ethos, therfore by sanctioning it, you accept the bigotry. Dave is indeed a homophobe.

I don't think Dave belongs to a formal Christian Church does he?

Then again I can't think of many Churches which sanction same sex "Marriage", if any.

That's purely because they see "Marriage" as a union between a man and a woman, and because they see "Marriage" as a spiritual thing as well as a legal one.

A civil partnership is as legal as a "Marriage", whether it's same sex or opposite sex couples doing it.

Dave is indeed a homophobe is your opinion, mine is that he's not.

That's all.

Peter Plunker 08-07-2010 03:08 PM

It does indeed depend on your view of what marriage is. To me a marriage is a judeo-christian ceremony where a man and a woman ask God to bless their commitment to eachother and where they make a covenant together before God.

If you want a civil partnership then go for it, just keep God out of it.

flamingGalah! 08-07-2010 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by calyman (Post 3463542)
So if he said he didn't want to marry a couple because one was black and one was white, what would your definition of his reason for not doing so, be.

Remember, there are some "Christian'" who do have this ethos.

In my view such people are racists, no less than if they refused same sex marriages, they are homophobes.

Exactly. It disgusts me how people are allowed to get away with being homophobic simply because it is against their religion...

What if the KKK were a religion?? Would their racial hatred be fine too?? :conf:

flamingGalah! 08-07-2010 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Plunker (Post 3463746)
It does indeed depend on your view of what marriage is. To me a marriage is a judeo-christian ceremony where a man and a woman ask God to bless their commitment to eachother and where they make a covenant together before God.

If you want a civil partnership then go for it, just keep God out of it.

You can't though, because there are many homosexuals who are also religious, so to them it is very important to have the same marriage rights...

fingers 09-07-2010 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Plunker (Post 3463746)
It does indeed depend on your view of what marriage is. To me a marriage is a judeo-christian ceremony where a man and a woman ask God to bless their commitment to eachother and where they make a covenant together before God.

If you want a civil partnership then go for it, just keep God out of it.

Obviously you are saying that Registry Office Marriages aren't "Before God"

I rather doubt that New Ecstatic "marriages" would be recognised anywhere.:sleep:

WOMBAI 09-07-2010 02:53 PM

Marriage was primarily designed for procreation purposes - to create a unit providing security and stability for raising children! Not really a requirment for those not having children! A relationship committment - is not about marriage these days!

fingers 09-07-2010 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3468436)
Marriage was primarily designed for procreation purposes - to create a unit providing security and stability for raising children! Not really a requirment for those not having children! A relationship committment - is not about marriage these days!

Precisely, God is not required!

Just Do It 09-07-2010 03:14 PM

I've never been a big fan or critic of Caoimhe, I just didn't see why people spent so much time dissing her or loving her. Now I find the longer she stays in the more I agree with a lot of what she says. Respect to the girl. At least she doesn't spend her time 'hiding' who she is. I find a lot of the other housemates trying too hard to be on their best behaviour. Just be yourself.

fingers 09-07-2010 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Do It (Post 3468603)
I've never been a big fan or critic of Caoimhe, I just didn't see why people spent so much time dissing her or loving her. Now I find the longer she stays in the more I agree with a lot of what she says. Respect to the girl. At least she doesn't spend her time 'hiding' who she is. I find a lot of the other housemates trying too hard to be on their best behaviour. Just be yourself.

Her opinion of religion in schools and the position of the Catholic church were quite valid points, unfortunately she expected an answer from a self confessed drunk and pothead and a bible thumping (Gospels only please, none of that other stuff!) nutter and she was never going to get it!

WOMBAI 09-07-2010 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Do It (Post 3468603)
I've never been a big fan or critic of Caoimhe, I just didn't see why people spent so much time dissing her or loving her. Now I find the longer she stays in the more I agree with a lot of what she says. Respect to the girl. At least she doesn't spend her time 'hiding' who she is. I find a lot of the other housemates trying too hard to be on their best behaviour. Just be yourself.



Unfortuntely - in Keeva's case, herself clearly isn't very nice - that is the point, isn't it! :hugesmile:

fingers 09-07-2010 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3468672)
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Unfortuntely - in Keeva's case, herself clearly isn't very nice - that is the point, isn't it! :hugesmile:

Oh damn, I agree with that! lol

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