Don't they all though, you can't just single out keeva(please don't bring any gaga names for her onto here) for that.

2 emotional cripples being "helped" by a nasty sneaky horrid "friend"

This thread is about Kevin, which is why I'm talking about her specifically....and that's what I refer to her as.

You mean to point out Josie's hypocrisy? Come off it. You're just spitting the dummy (again), because you won't have St. Josie's good name tarnished on this forum. Your borderline hysterical adulation of her is as nauseating as it is comic. She is just a z-list non-entity like all the rest of them!!! Let it lie.

I only watched the highlights show, but I thought it gave a fair enough picture of what happened - according to people who did see the live feed.

Caiomhe did make a complete balls of it, but I don't think it was malicious.

She gave John the impression that Josie really wasn't interested, so he responded the same way - as you would.

He then tried to speak to Josie about it but she was hurt and didn't want to reveal her position. He tried to get her to give him a clue so he didn't make a plonker of himself, but she was scared of making a plonker of herself so they got nowhere.

She has reacted badly by going into a sulk from what I can see.

It's fairly obvious that they both feel the same way about each other but neither of them wants to go out on a limb.

I think Caoimhe was put in a difficult position because Josie's behaviour had made it obvious to John that there was a problem. If Josie had acted normally he wouldn't have suspected anything.

It's all a bit 13 year olds in the playground at the moment.

But it isn't helped by the fact that neither of them is emotionally secure enough to make the first move.

I think they will get together eventually but not until they are outside the house.

A fair analysis, to be honest I did not catch the very last bit of the pair in the bathroom, my loud mouth sister turned up and demanded we give her our attention to her.

It has to be said, Josie is going off Keeva, and Keeva did not have to bring up the subject at all.

100% Blue - nothing bad from Keeva (where OP went wrong) - the JJ J are too scared to tell true to each other, whether it be love or pals as close male#female can be. If you read my summary above Keeva was a non-player, it's them

How much of the l'f do you watch?

The last bit shown in the bathroom was John saying words to the effect that "Oh well, Caiomhe didn't actually tell me what your feeling are???".

He was clearly (to me), trying to get her to give him a vibe - to which he could respond.

But she either misunderstood or chose not to answer because she stood up and walked out at that point.

If JJ and Josie are too scared to tell each other, I do not know how Keeva made it her business to tell him a lie, she could have just stated she truly does not know what Josie feels about him and it is best for them to take their time and sort it out between themselves.

HERO - You started the thread dissing keeva tho which is where I thought FM fight started

I hope I was being more middle and seeing what I saw LF

I wish he told her Keeva just told me you do not fancy me, that would have made it an interesting show LOL

Yes, and, I still believe Keeva opened her gob and said something damaging. It was more to do with JJ's disheartened reaction and then claiming in a defensive manner he did not fancy her either.

I have not taken anything back, really, well apart from the fact they poster who attacked me claimed Josie knows about it now.

On the whole bathroom incident, I still believe Keeva had no business to poke her nose in and blab and lie.

the "plan" rachel made with Caoimhe was to discuss relationships but NOT to bring Josie's and JJ's one in at first to try to get the general vibe from him.

She just blurted out that Josie did not fancy him before JJ hid and said that he has NEVER thought that way about her.

Caoimhe loved every minute of wrecking the showmance cos it would have left her with only wee andrew to talk with

Nobody wants to put themself out there tho.........Josie felt an idiot, JJ was told sho only likes you as a pal - from a shy male perspective I'd have done a JJ

and apologised for...but thanks for acknowledging that fact. I now know what sort of poster i'm dealing with in the future.

anyone would, I mean if someone said asked you if you fancied someone who you'd just been told didn't fancy you, you're not likely to say yeah I do!

Hey, give me some credit atleast I handled you and did not go crying to the mods LOL

Anybody would have done the same - well, apart from Rachael who happily told JJ she was hot for him, even when he'd told her he wouldn't touch her with a bargepole.

I'm finding the John and Josie thing quite excruciating, I never realised I was such a softie.

Simple answer Naimh and if they work it of not, it's not Keeva's fault which I think FMs are arguing over.

You make a good point, the way JJ attacked Rachel even after she told him she fancied him, you can see why Josie might be scared.

Maybe I should not attacked Keeva, who knows how JJ's mind works or operates or what he wants to hear. He certainly was crushed when Keeva told him Josie did not fancy him, but them he might have been pissed if she told him she did fancy him....but that is the beauty of keeping your nose out of other people's beeswax!

Maybe I think this way because I have done counselling before and know the importance of being all ears, helping one discover what they want to do by themselves without giving any advise..as the advise can be wrong and resented over time, keeping stom with all the information one has given out, and not even telling ones family.

No it wasn't her fault, she was just expecting him to be telepathic!

Yeah I have to agree with you here really, Caoimhe shouldn't have said anything at all, I really do think she was trying to help but it wasn't at all helpful in the end

haha, aw me too:hugesmile:

One things for certain, there was nothing malicious about keevas actions, her sad face when he said he had no feelings for josie said more than a thousand words..ps, hardy ****ing har har ife, lost her prize from bob righter.

One a blind person could tell he was LYING, two her face did not look any much better when he was saying he did have feelings for her before. It was quite obvious he was saying something was there, but he is not too sure after those revelations.

AFTER Caoimhe's and Shabby's crush thing, I think Caoimhe more than any other housemates knows what she is doing.

The whole thing was very playground, (and I think that was Rachel's fault.) I think Quaver meant well but, Jesus, why doesn't she just bang their heads together?

I actually think JJ might be weighing up the practicalities of starting anything on account of them being on opposite sides of the globe. Josie is just scared to make an idiot of herself in such a public situation. He exposes his underbelly (metaphorically) to her more than she does him though for sure.

I agree they'll probably get it together after the show but I'm not sure it's a good thing, they are both very damaged individuals and, unless they're completely different in real life, they aren't good for each other. I kind of hope it is all a game plan for JJ because if it isn't I can imagine Josie continuing to punish him for her insecurities whenever they were apart, once the show is over he really needs to shake her off.

Has Josie turned on Caoimhe (and John James)?

Grow a pair John and just tell her how you feel!

Was I right or was I right, Keeva had no rights to lie to JJ about Josie not fancying him, Josie has built up a resentment about it, and it was also damn sneaky of Keeva to make sly moves on JJ after her self oppointed annoucement!

people from whatever inbred genetic cesspool camel comes from will at least know what shes about now, and see her coming. Oh and camel does not love her bf, the reason she left is that inspite of her constant backstabbing and bellitling she cannot cope with adult confrontation. she will be forgotten in 2 weeks.... a couple of pints with shabby up the west end and it's ryan air time and last weeks news.

Josie is the one telling all the porkies - my god, what show are you watching! She even admits it half the time!

:joker::joker::joker: No really, she doesn't.

JJ will be building that barrier with gusto when he watches the footage back and realises what a jealous, manipulative cowbag Josie's been.

Okay, when someone makes a strong statement, a little explanation or example would not go amiss, just to back up the claims.

This post was also based on the whole superhero task and what commenced after the girl talk.

We all knew Josie did not want to admit to JJ that she fancied him, but that is far from someone taking upon themselves AFTER THE WHOLE GIRL CHAT to say someone does not fancy a person, then slyly coming onto the same person...of course one is asking for trouble no matter what.

Whether or not Keeva came onto JJ is largely a matter of perception - in my book she did not! But even if she had - JJ is a free agent, he does not belong to Josie, he is not her husband or boyfriend and clearly never will be! It has nothing to do with Josie what JJ does with Keeva or anyone else! Other people are not responsible for Josie's insecurities or misconceptions!

I hear what you are saying, but do not slyly listen to someone pour their hearts out, pretend to be a friend, when you do have other motives.

She was flirting with JJ, and did let him know she fancied him, she even told people in the house.

She caused the antagonist atomosphere in the house and she has to take some responsiblity for it, for lying about Josie's feelinsg and acting the way she did after.

If you read through my posts, based on the superhero night, I predicted most of the stuff that would happen, one does not have to be a rocket scientist to see why Josie reacted the way she did.

We have all seen situations in life where one girl has fancied a man, and a friend has stepped in and taken over and bad feelings have arosed.

Keeva behaved in a way where she was delibrately making Josie feel bad, whilst rubbing her nose in it, and in the end she cut short her stay in house, what a waste.

Keeva the Norin wannabe.

Since when did Josie's feelings become the most important factor in bb. Others have feelings too - why the hell should everyone tread on eggshells afraid of hurting Josie's fragile feelings! Her feelings are her responsibility! She has tried very hard to turn bb into the Josie and JJ show - she clearly overrates her entertainment value!

She is 25 for gods sake, not 15! She describes herself as fiercely independent, I nearly choked when I read that, independent my arse, she is a silly, clingy, needy woman who likes to get what she wants. She also claims she hates bullies, attention-seekers and moaners - huh - everything she herself is!