I'm not sure she has been punishing him, has she? I don't think he would think that, he is strong, although emotional. He wouldn't give up or be beaten down even by her. He loves her.. I think.. lol I will also watch more body language stuff, he is so interesting and complicated. I think i'd be gutted if he left on friday :S I'd like to continue to try and work him out!

well, If you remember on 2 occasions now he's almost walked because Josie wasn't happy with him over something so this is what I mean by punishing him. He obviously does take it very hard when she is annoyed with him. I do hope that he has feelings for her but I'm trying to be objective and not let the romantic notions blind my judgement!!

I am so glad I am not the only one who watches him to try and work him out - some on this forum think you are an obsessed little girl when you comment positively about John, I am actually a 50 year old grandmother and I love BB this year because of him but not because of his looks etc etc because I like to try and analyze the housemates and he is definitely one of the most intriguing for a long time, I also get annoyed when people say its playing to the cameras and staged - he becomes so distraught at times I really cant help but feel for him, I really hope he comes through this show ok and manages to build on his self esteem from it.

No, me too! But I just cant believe that someone would be like that if they didnt love them, its too much..

My other reasoning is that if he went into the house for the experience he travelled a long way to be there unless he really has fallen for Josie he would have distanced himself he has sort of put all his eggs in one basket and isolated himself with her for quite a lot of the time - I think he hasnt had feelings like this before and is battling with them in his own head maybe he should really have a long chat to JJ or one of BB - maybe he has in the diary room because he certainly seems to have accepted the fact that Josie and him are more than friends.

Well I don't think the fact that he loves her is in question really, he obviously really does, the question is, is it platonic or romantic???

Why thank you :D

This is absolutely what I think. I think he actually fancies Corin but his chance with her has gone.

I think Josie is like JJ's comfort blanket, he doesn't feel he can really identify with anybody else in there, he ventures out now and again to interact with others and then runs back to a 'safe' place (ie substitute mum Josie's arms) afterwards. I agree we might have seen a very different JJ1 if JJ2 had been in from the start (though I think JJ2 is a plant, do any of them remember him from the time they spent together before the show?)

I was hoping that when he got out of bed to check on Keeva he'd realised how much Josie manipulates everyone but I don't think he has. I believe he genuinely would have left the house if they hadn't stopped him, the thought of being in there without his comfort blanket was just too much for him.

I also think if JJ had been there from the start the thing with Josie wouldn't have happened

Okay, so on last nights show!

Josie was making me cringe a little, I didn't think dressing up in a wedding dress was the right thing to do! Although, she did make it a little comedic which made it slightly better. But more importantly John James' behaviour. He ruffled her hair, said 'isnt she gorgeous' and then snuggled her under the covers and gave her a biiiig kiss! Then later he went into the diary room and said that the most important thing to him is Josie and his relationship.. if hes playing a game he really should do something with his acting career because its very convincing.
I just wonder if he will go back home after BB or.. not?

The thing that struck me about last night's show was how miserable he looked. I think he's done what he perceives to be the 'right' thing for Josie and I think he's regretting it big time.

I really do think he'll walk now.

I disagree, although, he did look miserable to begin with, which I decided was him being tired. I thought he seemed unusually happy throughout the program even with being up for eviction!

Did anyone see the behaviouralist on BBLB. She was describing that John James has high emotional lability, meaning that he doesn't entirely understand his emotions - it is the reason he ends up getting very angry or very upset, because he is unsure of what he is feeling.
(Ben by comparison has very low emotional lability, because he understands his emotions, which i means he can be more in control of his reactions to emotions whether they are strong or weak)
It means that while JJ(1) likes Josie, he is still unsure about how he really feels about her. The behaviouralist said that at the moment he sees her very much as a safe person who he can rely on.

What do you think of her observations?

I think that he views Josie as a safe person at the moment, but i think that it could change depending on how comfortable or uncomfortable he feels in the house. I do think John James really cares for her very much, although i am still not sure how much Josie cares about JJ(1).

I agree with you. maybe he's in denial?

I think that people say that JJ is leading Josie on but I don't believe she feels any where near for him as he does for her. When he's distressed she seems more bothered about how she looks because of it than his well being where as he really seems to worry about her more.

That's true. such a shame for John James if true.

I think we'd all agree that its really one of two options here. Either John James views Josie in a romantic way or he doesn't. For me the easiest way to explain his behavior is to work backwards. Once you do (in my own humble opinion) the only explanation is that he does indeed have romantic feelings for her

Working from the point of view that he does have romantic feelings for her I believe his behavior can be explained by simple paranoia. Relationships are tough enough in the real world, but for these two you have a few hundred camera's, a few million people, and their friends and family thrown into the mix. Of course John James is paranoid.

Firstly as he has stated on many occasions, he believes the house environment to be fake. This is a fair statement and quite frankly one I agree with. Once out of the house environment, his or Josies feelings could change once back in the real world. Remember they have never been around each other in a normal environment. Because of this he does not want to enter into a relationship within the house, only for it to fall apart once they leave with possibly one or both of them getting hurt, or embarrassed in the process. Lets face it how many BB relationships have stood the test of time

Secondly he has no idea what Josie (or anyone else, but in particular Josie herself) is saying in the diary room. I don't think he believes that she would slag him off or anything, but again, in a show like this their will always be a slight nagging doubt at the back of your mind making you a little paranoid. Can you imagine the embarrassment for him (or anyone) if he was telling her he loved her, was prepared to leave the show rather then upset her, and she was in the diary room calling him a plank

Thirdly, speaking as a man myself, I have never seen a girl affect a guy to this extent before where he was not romantically interested in. Looking at them they act like a couple, when they "snuggle" and when they argue. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its probably a duck

Now if we look at it from the point of view that John James is not romantically interested in her, for me, his behavior, body language and everything else simply doesn't add up.

Great post showstopper, makes sense to me. Like I said before if it is all part of an elaborate game plan for John James then he needs to get himself to Hollywood!!

Thing is though, when they come out the house, JJ's going to australia, josie is going to bristol..Surely as adults they can see there is no future in the relationship, so what is infact the point in not doing anything until outside the house.

Didn't he say he wanted to live in England though?

Thanks. Yes agreed, nobody could keep up an act for that long under 24 hour supervision


Yes he said he would like to live in England. Ultimately he will be in England post show for all the various BB related stuff that goes on. People move all the time, its not really an obstacle if thats what they want considering they will financially benefit from the BB experience

yes he did, but the conversation I listened to between them insinuated that he was going back to australie because he was asking if she would come over..and then the whole thing with corin saying it costs three grand to post a letter just confirmed it for me..who really knows though!.:conf:

well no doubt he'll be staying in England for a while after BB anyway, so you never know what could happen...............(not that I'll give a crap once they're not on my telly anymore!!)

His intention as of right now is probably to go back to Australia. But relationships and oppertunities can change intentions very quickly.

He's hardly going to come out and say that he wants to move to England to be with a girl he's not even going out with.

Just a quick point on what I was saying in terms of John James's worry over whats being said in the diary room.

When Laura came into the house and said to Josie that John James had said he was worried about leading her on etc in the diary room I thought once Josie confronted him his response was very interesting:

In terms of him saying in the diary romm that he did not view her romantically he said something along the lines of.... he saw her like a sister then he added (almost as a defence)......... "That was weeks ago" - The only reason that the comment "That was weeks ago" would have any relevence to what was being discussed would be if his opinion has since changed. Otherwise the "That was weeks ago" comment makes absolutely no sense

In terms of things being said in the diary room, he stressed numerous times that he would never say anything to slag her off or embatass her in the diary room. Again in my opinion he said this a few times not only to convince Josie but also for reassurance. While he said he was looking straight at her, and making eye contact. He was obviously looking for the "Neither would I" response