It means how does he draw a wage?

If he is making money from his falsehoods and nonsense then someone or someones are being exploited.


"he gets a wage/salary from some sort of sponsors for this 'group'!"

bingo

You have a valid point there - but there is a big difference between lack of insight, stupidity (whatever you want to call it) and out and out dishonest intentions and ripping people off!

What other conclusion would anyone who saw him make?:conf:


it was exploitative and dishonest

Excellent post!

No it isn't bingo - still supposition!

Conclusions, assumptions - we keep coming back to that! No actual facts!

he does not have a job

his "minister" moniker is not recognised by any authority (ie it is self proclaimed)

He has no job

he makes his money by exploiting gullible people to donate to him



His whole "ministry" is based on earning him a wage

Im absolutly certain that Dave doesn't do this for kicks .. if he was collecting money on the spot or not, he clearly wanted to draw people in to his version of Faith. There isn't an organisation on Earth that survive on fresh air, the people he 'recruits' have to contribute.
Judging from his travel schedule alone (which he has mentioned dozens of times IN the house, I don;t have to assume, its clearly doing very well.

An excellent point.

People are more likely too empathize with someone who is in a wheelchair: Exploitative

He doesn't need a bloody wheelchair: Dishonest

why do you need an authority to recognise what you believe in?

Self-proclaimed in not illegal or necessarily immoral! That is how many religions often start!

There you go with your assumptions and conclusions again! If you have any facts, produce them!

I thought not!

How is it excellent - it isn't based on fact - just supposition!

I agree. The idea is that Dave was in such drunken ecstasy that he couldn't walk and they needed to push him around in the wheelchair.
They do believe he was temporarily disabled.
I think most people see it and suppose it is some drunk nutters taking the piss.

Either way, the thing here was not collecting donations. They were not asking for money or taking money.
Fingers seems to be doing her best to convince as many as possible he was pretending to be disabled to get donations from people.
They were not.
Someone here even suggested he be reported for defrauding people but in fact they were not taking money from anyone.

Again - good post!

He is using a wheelchair in the video. FACT. Also he isn't disabled and dosen't need a wheel chair FACT.

I'm on a roll with you Wombai lol

*dont worry.. im sure i will infuriate you later but for now we are on the same wavelength i think hehe

Here is the start of a David Wheelchair thing in Guilford:

We are! :hugesmile:

I think the points you made about him being in a wheelchair because he was drunk with god, and therefore, unable to walk properly, made it all make more sense - it was simply a symbolic gesture!

Nothing to do with an intention to take the piss out of disabled people, as some have tried so hard to have us all believe! At worst people could accuse the stunt of being in poor taste - but not the same thing at all!

That dosen't make sense

It does! Where does the term 'legless' come from? So drunk you are unable to stand, nevermind walk! It makes perfect sense!

the scary thing is that none of you actually have a clue what ur talking about. Dave taking advantage of disabled ppl and taking money off them? i don't think so. where did this idea even come from? what's wrong with u all, he's the most genuine guy in there. everyone else has cracked by now, can't u accept that Dave is just a nice guy?

Its the, drunk on the "lord" bit that dosen't make sense

That one is a bit harder to explain - but is a big part of their belief system - but I can get the logic of it - just about! :hugesmile:

I would imagine that he is very careful about anyone finding out about his, ahem, "income stream"

it will never be videoed that is for sure

I suppose I'll never get it, so i'm going to stop trying.
I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular but:

When someone can show me any case, where, under reasonable scientific conditions, it has been proven, that someone who believes something so much, become physically disabled, completely incoherent, I will then take back everything I have ever said about Dave.

you wont get it as it is fictitious

hence the only people who do pretend to get it are the needy and gullible


think of it as a numpty identifier

In a word No! He is immoral in the House and immoral out of it.
my opinion is based on what I see and hear on BB and what I see and hear him doing out of the house.
I don't intend or expect to sway anyone elses opinions about Dave but I am happy that I'm not the only one who finds Dave repulsive.
Genuine you say? What part of being able to cure cancer or stab his (so called) friends in the back is that then?

Trying to add a bunch of talk of 'scientific proof' is lame because you can dismiss anything except maybe maths,
however,
If you need to know then you might look no further than Derren Brown although others have worked with this too.
You bet.. yes indeed people can work themselves into euphoric ecstatic states through self-induced psychosomatic states.

You may have also seen (in life or on television) where someone in massive mental/emotional distress has lost their ability to stand.
Upon news the husband has died the woman becomes hysterical and seconds later her legs give out.. relatives must hold her up.

I was reading about a thing in wars 'shell shock' where men.. due to psychological trauma had become paralyzed.
There was no actual physical damage to their legs but traumatic fear etc.. they were literally 'scared stiff' and unable to walk or move.

Not exactly the same thing but here Brown shows how people can be convince they are drunk and their bodies will act accordingly:

precisely

They all stab each other in the back - even Josie and JJ do it to each other (and a lot more frequently) so to use that as a reason to call him immoral is a bit lame to say the least!

I stand corrected .. as a man of the cloth it is immoral to hold the bible in one hand and defame those he professes to Love.
It is a gross insult to his Faith, my Faith and infact any Faith at all.

I find it absolutely hilarious that Daves fans on here will defend ANYTHING he does no matter how distasteful! The fraud is being wheeled around in a wheelchair & they say there is nothing wrong with that & try to come up with ridiculous reasons as to why it's acceptable...

It is WRONG & there is NO acceptable reason why an able bodied person should be wheeled about in a wheelchair...

The man is a disgrace & MUST BE EVICTED :xyxwave:

Not into symbolic gestures then! :joker:

I just really wish I could understand where they are coming from ... Do they approve of Daves choices or are they just hell bent on playing Devils advocate?

I still require it

Yes, mentally deficient people

That is an extremely traumatic event and is a bad comparison.

David is not scared stiff, maybe a little mentally deficient

Lol!! Are you actually being serious, whats wrong with a Cross? Is it possibly that a Crucifix would be too obvious?

You can't handle it.

Nope. It's better pulled off by more intelligent people. I think deficient ones can do it too.
The main thing is that you now agree this can happen. I feel better knowing you are just a little more educated.

If you look at his videos, there are signs in some that say Free Healing. He offers blessings which he claims are from "God" and that god can cure people or at least make their lives better.

Him using a wheelchair is probably due to the drunk state he claims God's Love puts him in, or as apparent in one video as an attractor to the public, he doesnt claim to be physically unable to walk. (Careful editing?).

If he did make claims of being able to cure people and asked for money he would open himself up for prosecution under Consumer Protection Regulations. Similarly if he started diagnosing illness he would also be open under the Medical Act 1983.

The important thing to remember legally is that saying he did cure someone and saying he can cure someone are two entirely different things, one allows you to verify his claim if you want to. The other allows him to hide behind "the God will provide the cure" defence.

The form of healing he is offering is akin to Spiritual Healing and Reiki etc, which are recognised alternative therapies and are legal.

In my opinion he is not a lot different to buskers on the street an annoyance to some and entertaining to others.

You can't provide it


Glad you feel better. It still isn't the true in daves case

I'm not into a piss taking ex druggie buffoon claiming he can cure cancer whilst being wheeled around Guildford high street, wearing a monks robe & laughing like a deranged hyena, no...

He is doing this in the name of God, not as an alternative Health Practioner.
He wasn't (as far as I'm aware) asking for donations on that street but he was asking people to join his Organisation ... as I have said previously, these sects, or whatever you choose to call them cannot run on fresh air.
I always give money to Buskers, Big Issuers and down and outs and the Sick ....or anybody in need come to that... these are generally the people who are most likely to reach out for any chance of hope and whom Davids Sloshfests and offers of salvation appear to be aimed at.