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setanta 13-09-2010 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 3788668)
I see where you're coming from, but I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. I'm terrified of flying in any case, so anything that lessens the prospect of a mid air terrorist attack is fine by me. It seems that loss of privacy is a price we might increasingly have to pay in this present climate of fear and suspicion.

But sure you could be blown up anywhere: on a train, bus, on a street.. you name it. It's just a very extreme measure, which could have repercussions and could also be abused.

Shasown 13-09-2010 06:57 PM

Its more a measure to instil piblic confidence.

You dont walk through the more effective type, you stand and get scanned a bit like an x-ray. The operators are supposed to view the images in a screened private area not accessible by the general public.

They will detect high density objects like knives and guns, even dense explosives like semtex and C4 plastic explosive, however they wont detect low density home made high explosive, which is more than capable of taking out an aircraft through rapid de-pressurisation.

The makers of Rapiscan admitted it wouldnt have detected the bomb that was strapped to that students thigh last christmas.

Interestingly enough under 18's are exempt because of Child Porn laws, thats one reason why they changed Rapiscans default to delete each scan and not save them unless manually overridden.

Captain.Remy 13-09-2010 06:59 PM

I hope they save the pictures somewhere...because damn I'm hot ! :laugh:

No seriously, I think it's a very important question of security to avoid the type of catastrophes we're well aware of. If that saves the lives of many people, then I'm up for it.

Angus 13-09-2010 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta (Post 3788671)
I just don't like where this could take us as a society, you know? The ramifications of it all. Climate of fear, invasion of civil liberties, barcoding, police state, dehumanization, you know what I'm saying?

I think civil liberties these days is just a delusion rather than an actuality - we already have every part of our lives scrutinised from cradle to grave, and every detail is stored on countless computers. Sensitive and personal information about us is sold on to faceless companies by the very people who are supposed to be safeguarding our privacy. Any random stranger who knows where to look on the internet could find out all there is to know about me in a few clicks of a mouse - my privacy, unfortunately, is no longer sacrosanct.

fingers 13-09-2010 07:04 PM

The "strapped to the thigh" bomb would surely have raised a suspicious eyebrow? Anyway I have nothing against any measure to protect me as I fly, NOTHING!!

Lee. 13-09-2010 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fingers (Post 3788758)
The "strapped to the thigh" bomb would surely have raised a suspicious eyebrow? Anyway I have nothing against any measure to protect me as I fly, NOTHING!!

Nor me, I would fly naked to be honest, if it meant reducing the risk of any loonys being on board!

setanta 13-09-2010 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 3788748)
I think civil liberties these days is just a delusion rather than an actuality - we already have every part of our lives scrutinised from cradle to grave, and every detail is stored on countless computers. Sensitive and personal information about us is sold on to faceless companies by the very people who are supposed to be safeguarding our privacy. Any random stranger who knows where to look on the internet could find out all there is to know about me in a few clicks of a mouse - my privacy, unfortunately, is no longer sacrosanct.

Yep, but it doesn't mean that we should become apathetic towards it all and allow ourselves to be "stripped" of all our rights. Sorry, I'll never be in favour of this. More people die from donkeys than do on planes. See what I'm saying? lol

fingers 13-09-2010 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta (Post 3788769)
Yep, but it doesn't mean that we should become apathetic towards it all and allow ourselves to be "stripped" of all our rights. Sorry, I'll never be in favour of this. More people die from donkeys than do on planes. See what I'm saying? lol

A source would be nice for that, and BTW probably more Donkeys are thrown from church towers in Spain than people who are killed by them.

setanta 13-09-2010 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fingers (Post 3788775)
A source would be nice for that, and BTW probably more Donkeys are thrown from church towers in Spain than people who are killed by them.

It's actually a fact. I'll look it up for you if you want. Just trying to highlight the climate of fear we allow to pervade our lives.

setanta 13-09-2010 07:13 PM

Coconuts too. Those lads are deadly.

Captain.Remy 13-09-2010 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta (Post 3788795)
Coconuts too. Those lads are deadly.

You definitely don't want to mess with them.

fingers 13-09-2010 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta (Post 3788795)
Coconuts too. Those lads are deadly.

Aimed correctly by a trained operative a Coconut can kill at 20 yards - or, can seriously hamper the reproductive process at 10 yards!

setanta 13-09-2010 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain.Remy (Post 3788802)
You definitely don't want to mess with them.

Oh, Kill you soon as look at you. Vicious.

Lee. 13-09-2010 07:18 PM

I'm sure I read somewhere that there's more chance of being killed on your toilet than ther is of being killed on a plne... but even still, if they can make it as safe as possible then it's fine with me.

I actually have no fear of flying really, I love it in fact but there is always just that thought that you're thousand of feet in the air with nothing holding you up in a large metal tube.. if anyone goes crazy there's nowhere to run really is there?

Shasown 13-09-2010 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fingers (Post 3788758)
The "strapped to the thigh" bomb would surely have raised a suspicious eyebrow? Anyway I have nothing against any measure to protect me as I fly, NOTHING!!

If you read my previous post you would have seen that low density explosives wouldnt have been detected. Unless it was so thick as to be obvious.

Seeing as you like sources etc have a ganji at this

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...m-1856175.html

setanta 13-09-2010 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fingers (Post 3788818)
Aimed correctly by a trained operative a Coconut can kill at 20 yards - or, can seriously hamper the reproductive process at 10 yards!

They're obviously not allowed on board as a carry on item. Feck explosives, get the coconuts off the plane stat!

BB_Eye 13-09-2010 07:20 PM

I hate it. I'd rather have my privacy with the miniscule risk of being blown up than letting customs ogle at my ass. Sorry, but that's just me. They invented clothes for a reason you know.

fingers 13-09-2010 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 3788827)
If you read my previous post you would have seen that low density explosives wouldnt have been detected. Unless it was so thick as to be obvious.

Seeing as you like sources etc have a ganji at this

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...m-1856175.html

So it would just have looked like a tumour?

Shasown 13-09-2010 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fingers (Post 3788818)
Aimed correctly by a trained operative a Coconut can kill at 20 yards - or, can seriously hamper the reproductive process at 10 yards!

A mate of mine was hospitalised by a coconut in Central America a few years ago, he strung a hammock under some coconut trees and a coconut fell on him. They are quite heavy when wrapped in their husk etc.

Shasown 13-09-2010 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fingers (Post 3788839)
So it would just have looked like a tumour?

scroll down and you will find these paragraphs

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Tests by scientists in the team at Qinetiq... showed the millimetre-wave scanners picked up shrapnel and heavy wax and metal, but plastic, chemicals and liquids were missed.

If a material is low density, such as powder, liquid or thin plastic – as well as the passenger's clothing – the millimetre waves pass through and the object is not shown on screen

Lee. 13-09-2010 07:25 PM

I flew on September 12th 2001 and it was horrible.. there was no joviality at all at the arport, just silence. Every flight was delayed for hours as security was obviously at it's highest. We weren't allwed anything at ALL on the plane apart from our boarding passes and passports... I even had to put my lipstick in my case :mad:
Every single person was thoroughly searched and frisked..I even had to show them that what they could feel was just the underwire in my bra! But uyou know what? I would not have a problem if security was like that all the time... I was a bit annoyed at having to pack all my hadn luggage in my suitcase but really it was fine and I felt the airport had done as much as they could to make it a safe flight.

fingers 13-09-2010 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by happyland (Post 3788855)
I flew on September 12th 2001 and it was horrible.. there was no joviality at all at the arport, just silence. Every flight was delayed for hours as security was obviously at it's highest. We weren't allwed anything at ALL on the plane apart from our boarding passes and passports... I even had to put my lipstick in my case :mad:
Every single person was thoroughly searched and frisked..I even had to show them that what they could feel was just the underwire in my bra! But uyou know what? I would not have a problem if security was like that all the time... I was a bit annoyed at having to pack all my hadn luggage in my suitcase but really it was fine and I felt the airport had done as much as they could to make it a safe flight.

I'd say you were lucky that you were able to fly on the 12th, think of all those poor buggers who were forced to land wherever they happened to be on the 11th.

Apart, of course, from the passengers on the 4 aircraft that DIDN'T land!

Lee. 13-09-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fingers (Post 3788883)
I'd say you were lucky that you were able to fly on the 12th, think of all those poor buggers who were forced to land wherever they happened to be on the 11th.

Apart, of course, from the passengers on the 4 aircraft that DIDN'T land!

Yeah.. we were lucky. I phoned the airline in the morning to be told by some inane bint that of course all flights were cancelled.. Luckily I phoned again to recheck and was told that all European flights were ok... not a nice day to fly (probably the safest though)


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