Originally Posted by ElProximo (Post 3792350)

Not anywhere close to 10% of the population chooses homosexuality. The very best research we can find may have less than 1% who can be said to actively, exclusively and be 'ongoing' in this kind of thing.

But it was YOU who may suppose they were born with a 'retardation' of either the body or the mind.



No, these do not change anything and the hand and hair still have the same point and purpose as any other.



This is baseless and we have no reason to believe 'people have been gay' since the beginning of time.
We do know that homosexuality appears throughout the recorded history of human civilization including gangs who would go about raping and murdering men.
For almost all of human history, crossing cultures and continents where we can find it practices (and mostly it is considered perverse),
but,
For the most part it is considered something you can 'do'.
Not a 'race'.
Not another 'gender'.
Not something where a type of person called 'a gay' is born.

It is a sexual interest. It could be a 'phase'. It could depend on what they were into at the time.
A Roman might be into slave girls and then at another time take a teen boy as a 'student' and sodomize him whenever,
but,
then he may be married and devoted to a wife or later they both like heterosexual orgies.

This idea you have about a kind of '3rd gender' a type of human that is born called 'A gay' who (you believe) is meant to desire same genders 'from birth' is bizarre.
It is an aberrant belief compared to human history. It is a strange new idea you are testing in just a recent generation.



No. Humans are all the same colour (it is a yellowish brown though a red tint runs through us too) and the difference is having more or less which is higher or lower in the skin,
but,
if you wanted a 'comparison' this could be like having a longer or shorter penis or bigger or smaller breasts - it doesn't change anything for the penis or breast or what it can do.



So you would agree they have a medical problem and surgery is needed to correct it.
It seems that transsexuals would agree with this idea where they were born with the wrong parts.



nonsense. it presumes a type of people called 'the gay people' and doesn't square with the best research where we see far more 'in and out' and 'back and forth' and nowhere near these strict definitions.

But even that doesn't tell us anything for your claims. Not long ago I watched a documentary (might have been C4) about 'shoe-sexuals' but the idea was exploring a surprisingly popular fetish of men who are sexually infatuated with shoes.
One was even arrested making love to Mariah Carey (the pop star) to her shoes!
Shoesexuals become so infatuated that they get to a point they cannot even become sexually aroused unless there is shoes involved. They could make love to their wife - only if she wears shoes and he can ___ the shoes,
but,
they can exclusively become aroused by shoes alone at all times.

Would you now claim they are simply a type of human.. like a 'gender' who are simply born this way?


The breast work but they are not used. We call this 'useless'. You believe that. I don't.


So you think the sperm production in this kind of 'gay human' is meant for being taken by heterosexuals?
Are they our 'cows' then?



The medieval period was a great time of medical advances, scientific advancement and progressive understanding of the natural world around us,
but,
they might have shared some views with you (and I disagree) but one of these might be that people are born with some kind of spirit that could dictate their behavior.
You believe this. You believe some babies are born as 'gay humans' and although there is no detected physical or even physiological difference - you just 'believe' some kind of 'gay spirit' will turn them into a different kind of human.
I have more progressive ideas. Youre stuck in 1982 leftist agenda myths.

Originally Posted by jedward fever (Post 3792372)

people have sex with shoes?:laugh3:

Originally Posted by ElProximo (Post 3792403)

Yeah, but don't be Shoephobic about it. It is their sexuality and we have to respect them.
It isn't a choice. They were born shoesexuals and actually a lot of them have been harassed and live in shame because of societies bigotry and hate towards them.
'Retifosexuals' are just a type of human or 'gender' who happen to be attracted to shoes.

Seriously though.. it is a real thing but we just call it a psychosexual disorder or simply a 'sex fetish'.

Originally Posted by ElProximo (Post 3792350)

the population chooses homosexuality.

Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 3791669)

Think about what I wrote arista, it may be a little too deep for you.

Originally Posted by ElProximo (Post 3792350)

Not anywhere close to 10% of the population chooses homosexuality. The very best research we can find may have less than 1% who can be said to actively, exclusively and be 'ongoing' in this kind of thing.

But it was YOU who may suppose they were born with a 'retardation' of either the body or the mind.



No, these do not change anything and the hand and hair still have the same point and purpose as any other.



This is baseless and we have no reason to believe 'people have been gay' since the beginning of time.
We do know that homosexuality appears throughout the recorded history of human civilization including gangs who would go about raping and murdering men.
For almost all of human history, crossing cultures and continents where we can find it practices (and mostly it is considered perverse),
but,
For the most part it is considered something you can 'do'.
Not a 'race'.
Not another 'gender'.
Not something where a type of person called 'a gay' is born.

It is a sexual interest. It could be a 'phase'. It could depend on what they were into at the time.
A Roman might be into slave girls and then at another time take a teen boy as a 'student' and sodomize him whenever,
but,
then he may be married and devoted to a wife or later they both like heterosexual orgies.

This idea you have about a kind of '3rd gender' a type of human that is born called 'A gay' who (you believe) is meant to desire same genders 'from birth' is bizarre.
It is an aberrant belief compared to human history. It is a strange new idea you are testing in just a recent generation.



No. Humans are all the same colour (it is a yellowish brown though a red tint runs through us too) and the difference is having more or less which is higher or lower in the skin,
but,
if you wanted a 'comparison' this could be like having a longer or shorter penis or bigger or smaller breasts - it doesn't change anything for the penis or breast or what it can do.



So you would agree they have a medical problem and surgery is needed to correct it.
It seems that transsexuals would agree with this idea where they were born with the wrong parts.



nonsense. it presumes a type of people called 'the gay people' and doesn't square with the best research where we see far more 'in and out' and 'back and forth' and nowhere near these strict definitions.

But even that doesn't tell us anything for your claims. Not long ago I watched a documentary (might have been C4) about 'shoe-sexuals' but the idea was exploring a surprisingly popular fetish of men who are sexually infatuated with shoes.
One was even arrested making love to Mariah Carey (the pop star) to her shoes!
Shoesexuals become so infatuated that they get to a point they cannot even become sexually aroused unless there is shoes involved. They could make love to their wife - only if she wears shoes and he can ___ the shoes,
but,
they can exclusively become aroused by shoes alone at all times.

Would you now claim they are simply a type of human.. like a 'gender' who are simply born this way?


The breast work but they are not used. We call this 'useless'. You believe that. I don't.


So you think the sperm production in this kind of 'gay human' is meant for being taken by heterosexuals?
Are they our 'cows' then?



The medieval period was a great time of medical advances, scientific advancement and progressive understanding of the natural world around us,
but,
they might have shared some views with you (and I disagree) but one of these might be that people are born with some kind of spirit that could dictate their behavior.
You believe this. You believe some babies are born as 'gay humans' and although there is no detected physical or even physiological difference - you just 'believe' some kind of 'gay spirit' will turn them into a different kind of human.
I have more progressive ideas. Youre stuck in 1982 leftist agenda myths.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 3792585)

Originally Posted by ElProximo (Post 3792350)

Not anywhere close to 10% of the population chooses homosexuality.

Originally Posted by jedward fever (Post 3792413)

anyway theres a difference between gays and shoe lovers.



Say's who?
Which gay?
Why does 'being in love' even have anything to do with homosexuality anyways?




Who are you do judge? They are in love with a show and so that is their choice and how they were born.
Who are you to condemn them just because YOU think it must be another human.



Being gay is a choice but I don't know anyone is 'sent to hell' for any such thing.
It may be there is no such thing as homosexuality in heaven and some people decide they would rather stay outside the gates??

Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 3792702)

Correct.

Homosexuality chooses them.

:xyxwave:

Originally Posted by ElProximo (Post 3792799)

Again, don't assume I am 'opposed to gays'. I notice a few people are doing that. Don't.
Nothing I'm telling you actually tells you that so don't assume.

Originally Posted by BBfan46 (Post 3792830)

Except when you called gay people ******* like six times?

Originally Posted by BBfan46 (Post 3790870)

Why do you think homosexuality is un-natural? People are born gay.

Originally Posted by 30stone (Post 3792853)

The way i think he meant it was that the anus is meant to be an exit hole, naturally.

Originally Posted by 30stone (Post 3792853)

The way i think he meant it was that the anus is meant to be an exit hole, naturally.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 3792585)

Originally Posted by 30stone (Post 3792853)

The way i think he meant it was that the anus is meant to be an exit hole, naturally.

Originally Posted by BBfan46 (Post 3792887)

Actually male's g spot is in the arse :)

Originally Posted by BBfan46 (Post 3792830)

Except when you called gay people ******* like six times?

Originally Posted by 30stone (Post 3792853)

The way i think he meant it was that the anus is meant to be an exit hole, naturally.

Originally Posted by ElProximo (Post 3792979)

No.
*Insult Removed*
What I did was ask you if YOU were (by implication) arguing that gays have either a physical deformity or mental retardation of some kind.
You.
Not me.

The male 'g-spot' is called 'the penis'. There is no 'g-spot' in the rectum although if you want to go inside the body then push through the rectum wall into the prostate you can force seminal fluid out of the penis.

Originally Posted by jedward fever (Post 3793036)

some of your post got removed?:conf:

Originally Posted by BBfan46 (Post 3792671)

It's statistical fact in the Western World that 1 in 10 people would identify as LGBT. At no point did I ever state being gay was a retardation that was your prejudice being inclined to believe I did so would contradict my argument and therefore the purpose of the thread.

a Gay man's penis and a Straight man's penis have the same purpose to reproduce, a gay man doesn't feel the need to use this function as he is attracted to the same sex, it doesn't mean it's a retardation, the appendix has no use yet we still have them, sperm has little use to a gay man but he still produces it, therefore that argument cannot be contained.

The Third Gender as you refer to is illogical, there are two genders, male and female, a gender is determined by anatomy not by sexual attraction, the fact you claim to say homosexuality is a phase is ridiculous why would people choose to go through emotional torment?

People have been gay since Biblical times and the ancient Greeks before that, it's well known and documented... Wikipedia it bitch.

Originally Posted by 30stone (Post 3792853)

The way i think he meant it was that the anus is meant to be an exit hole, naturally.

Originally Posted by BBfan46 (Post 3792671)

It's statistical fact in the Western World that 1 in 10 people would identify as LGBT.

Originally Posted by Grimnir (Post 3793277)

here is a question for everyone who is straight and follows no religion

if you had to choose to spend a whole day trapped in a room with either a bible basher or a very camp gay

who would you choose? :joker:

Originally Posted by SoBig (Post 3793253)

Is it true that most people that were molested at a young age by a person of the same sex, that they end up being gay when they get older?

If thats the case, then its mental, no?

Originally Posted by Grimnir (Post 3793277)

here is a question for everyone who is straight and follows no religion

if you had to choose to spend a whole day trapped in a room with either a bible basher or a very camp gay

who would you choose? :joker:

Originally Posted by SoBig (Post 3793253)

Is it true that most people that were molested at a young age by a person of the same sex, that they end up being gay when they get older?

If thats the case, then its mental, no?

Originally Posted by ElProximo (Post 3793550)

Yes you are right. There has been studies showing a disproportionately high number of gay men were sexually molested by an older gay man when they were themselves children/teens.
There is some interest along the same lines with lesbian women too.
This suggests it can be a psychological issue brought on by events/upbringing trauma etc.

Here is what is even more remarkable and something fairly well known among researchers:
A highly disproportionate number of gay men reported a dysfunctional family upbringing that had a combination of two factors to some extreme:
- An absent father
- a domineering mother.
Researchers point out that 'absent' does not necessarily mean 'missing' or even gone all the time but more importantly 'unloving' cold, emotionally distant.
Researchers point out that by 'dominant mother' they don't mean in a cruel or even 'negative' way but in the sense of being the central figure who is 'dominant', controlling, the initiator and the dominating social figure.
One study had a whopping 60% of gay men reporting this as a significant dysfunctional problem.
This suggests the interest or appeal in being gay can come about from psycho-sociological issues.

But if there was a 'gay gene' that definitely brings up the inevitable question (especially with great advances in mapping genomes, genetic therapy etc) and here it is:
Should we find and isolate the gene even when it is still a fetus and then what?
How many would simply choose to abort the gay baby,
or,
Maybe more the question is the potential option of gene therapy to replace the 'gay gene' while keeping the baby?
How many would do that?
Would you?
Another question might be giving a baby a 'gay gene' as parent may want the freedom to choose.
Maybe the Mum always dreamed to have her own gay boy?
Shouldn't she have the right to choose what she wants for her own body and put the gay gene in the soon-to-be baby boy or girl?

Originally Posted by Jonathan. (Post 3790711)

I'm an atheist, so I have no view on the matter.

Originally Posted by BBfan46 (Post 3794358)

:joker:, this is utter bollocks, did you make this up last night, people don't make a conscious decision to be gay, you decide to be gay and let's see if it works for you and if your theory is so full proof like you seem to think where does bisexuality fit in to your bigoted spectrum? Who told you you were Sigmund Freud?

Originally Posted by ElProximo (Post 3794478)

In fact, a lot of these studies were done by 'non-Freudian' psychologists and researchers over many decades and are far more 'common knowledge' in those fields than you know,
but,
I'm not surprised that you are surprised and think you just read some 'crazy crackpot thing'.
You don't hear about this anymore. You sure as hell aren't going to see this discussed on any BBC documentary.

Now you made up something and added it. You added this idea that someone wakes up one day and 'chooses to become a homosexual'.
Nonsense.
Nobody ever woke up and decided to have PTSD and just went to a crowded music concert and made themselves have a panic attack and flashbacks.
Nobody just woke up one day and said "Oh here.. I will use controlling behavior on my family to compensate for my own traumatic upbringing".
These things are through series of developmental steps and may not be found my most and could take years or decades or months.

You asked 'where does bisexual fit in the spectrum'.
It fits in the middle.