Everybody cannot get to number one all the time.

This brings up the question:
- Are these x-factor and BGT type competitions really GOOD for the industry and for the artists overall or do they ultimately sell them out, kill the artists greater possibilities and in some ways (ultimately) deliver less quality to the public?

I think some of the arguments in favour of the competitions are good but then again I do wonder what could be better if they did not exists at all.

but yeah, most of these winners will not see much more that a semi-successful song or two but maybe a decent part in a popular play and a healthy run through some nightclub/venue circuits for a season or two.

which is not so bad!

Stolen? Er, he WON that record contract. Fair and square. And deservedly too.

And actually its very normal now for big talent show winners to end up in musical theatre. Most AI winners seem to have ended up there at some point.

If you wanna see it as a fail then I suggest you compare and contrast it to what they had BEFORE they entered the contest. Nothing but dreams.

Like I said, its not all about the charts for most performers. Joe is more famous than most of the current top40 anyways and always will be.

Let's be honest, X Factor voting doesn't make the distinction between who's the most popular on the show and who would be a successful pop star. Eoghan Quigg made it to the final over Diana Vickers, yet his attempt at a career failed miserably and he's nowhere to be seen; Diana's still going. Series 5 panned out in the right way; with the better acts finishing in the top half, therefore launching successful careers. Series 6 saw a lot of great acts being voted out (tactically, might I add) by the judges to the detriment of the show. Jedward are the success story of last year. That says a lot.

at least joes next record wont go to number 94 surely.:joker:

no. 6 is a flop after just performing on the x factor tbh. most of the performers on there get a major boost.

well pixie lott bombed then considering shes meant to be a much bigger artist than joe.

pixie hasn't performed on the x factor yet though.. and quite a few of her songs havn't charted high.

Looks like he drops out of the top 10 altogether for next week and urgh, Duck Sauce with Barbara Streisand are reckoned to be next weeks number 1 :(

Urgh to both songs :(

Even Whitney, smacked off her head, managed a better release after performing on X factor :)

thats know excuse for doing bad.

Pixie Lott is a very different artist to Joe.

Remember Joe was on a programme last week that gets 11-12 million viewers. This was his first single after a year away. He's on a very 'unforgiving' record label that drops as many artists as it signs.

Pixie is more in control of her music - she's a history of successful songs already (her first two were no. 1s), she writes her own stuff and has a fanbase. He current single is just off a reactivated album (which should storm back into the chart).

I like Joe and I'm not celebrating his failure but that's how it will be seen. If his album doesn't get to no. 1 and stick around the chart for more than a couple of weeks .... well, ask Leon Jackson.

I think he'd have done better this time wit a ballad again, Joe had a lot of people singing his praises and also who bought THE CLIMB who were not regular cd buyers but bought what they liked.
This new single almost a year after the first(which I think is another problem too,releases should be quicker than that)is vastly different to THE CLIMB, also Simon Cowell has had X factor running up to Christmas for the reason sales are higher then.

This saddling an artiste with a number one record at first that MUST be followed by another number one or its a flop even if its in the top 10 puts an artificial take on how well an act may do long term.

If I was a singer and my records made the top 10, even never getting a number one ever, then I would be over the moon, many long running acts have never had a number one record and also had varying placings in the charts.

One notable one, is a great group that started in the 60s and had decades of hits, namely the WHO, yet as I was looking back over their chart history, placings were all over the place,and they never ever got to number one with any single.

Joe has the support of Cheryl though, so I think he'll get more of a chance than Leon ever did to get it right. The song was rubbish though, it's just this wall of high pitched noise and the video tries to hide that with a lot of cheesy dancing. He's actually a very good singer, and although I was never really a fan of him on the show, he was by far the deserving winner. He'll maybe do better with the second single off the album.

If Joe had come back with a ballad, people would have said 'He should have come back with an upbeat dance track - this is the same as the last one'.

Joe's been away for a year. This past year he's been working away in the studio with people (managers producers, etc) telling him he needs to come back with a major impact. Something so good and different that it, and his appearance on the X Factor - seen by millions - will sell by the bucketload.

What happens? He comes back with a cover and it limps in the chart at no. 6.

Everyone knew he'd flop, there's nothing "stand out" about him

Olly would have been so much better. I'm not being mean to Joe (because I've been enough in the past) but he has got nothing special to stand out from the crowd. He's just...a random singer.

The issue is NOT the quality of the winner or the song. The problem is the almost a year's wait to get the first album out.

Pop music is immediate. That means it's immediate successful and immediately forgettable.

They need to prepare a bare bones album of about eight new songs and then record the winning act vocal on top with a few extra songs from the best performances from the show.

I don't find Olly good either, I wasn't keen on his X Factor performances either.

Totally agree with this, far too long to wait over 8 months for a follow up to a number one single. Such a long delay for an album also is rediculous.

never compare stacey with leona!!
have you hear staceys voice, and her vocal range she was crap!

no stupid excuses. Alexandra came back with a up beat song, she got #1 and sold loads

her album did **** though.

lol but did you hear staceys voice. By another Leona im sure jack meant singing ballads.. not by the sound of her voice lol. Staceys voice is awful in comparision.

And Leona sings up tempo too :nono:

Outta My Head, Forgive Me, Whatever It Takes :D

her album platinumed over 600,000 sales thats not ****. Thats really good, but people compare her to leona who sold over 7 million albums which is not fair on alexandra really. im sure joe wont sell more than 600,000 or platnum and i like joe :(

Wikipedia
The album debuted at #1 in the UK Albums Chart, selling 132,000 copies in its first week, the fourth biggest opening sales figures for a female artist in 2009. In addition to the album being certified Platinum in the UK following its first three weeks of release, it also spawned four successful singles including her platinum selling X Factor winner's single "Hallelujah". The lead single "Bad Boys" entered the UK Singles Chart and the Irish Singles Chart at #1 and was certified Platinum in the UK. It was also nominated for British Single at the 2010 BRIT Awards. The follow up singles "Broken Heels" and "All Night Long" also fared well, charting in the top-ten of the UK and the Irish Singles Chart. The lead single of the repackaged edition of the album, Start Without You debuted at #1, becoming her 5th number-one single. The song entered the Irish Singles Chart at #5. The album was nominated for Best Album 2010 at the Urban Music Awards.[13] To date Overcome has sold 700,000 copies in the UK

Leona & Alexandra are doing fine after waiting that long

Stacey didn't release that song for personal gain. It was for charity, also its a cover of an old song which wouldn't make into the charts these days. Even though its miles better then some **** in the charts these days

and then a week later the album dropped to number 7 and the next week dropped out of the top 10 in the uk.:joker:

Why are you quoting me from yesterday :nono:

Stacey's voice isn't awful at all, she wouldn't have made it to the final if it was. They have completely different voices and have different niches in the market

Im not even bothered enough to go checking facts and figures week by week. But if youre implying that Alex has been any kind of flop then youre being pretty ignorant.

Firstly, she's just had her 5th No1. And if you think an album sells over 700k by plummeting down the charts after one week then I just give up.

:xyxwave:

5th? :conf2:

albums are the most important thing to sell,and if you dont your screwed and thats why shes got most of her singles released off her album.

Hello. Her album has sold plenty. Plz register and process this fact.

700k is no flop, honey.

Jedward would do a Menendez on their parents for that figure.

According to midweeks Joe has slipped to no. 17. This means he could well be out of the top twenty by the end of the week.

Just quit it, whichever way you cut it she's not a flop. Your opinion isn't fact and it's just embarassing to see your flailing attempts to justify it as so.

Its gone platinum, its hardly a flop

Meanwhile 3 out of 5 songs off that album have gone in at number 1, the other at #4 and the other at #8. Her last single went in at #1, thats quite impressive considering most people buy the album and the single sales tail off by the end of the album and it wasn't promoted on XF. Her only remote flop is Broken Heels at #8 but that was released in a very competitive week and outsold equivalent singles by other XF winners.

Not surprised Joe didn't do so well in the charts!. Lets be honest, when you all voted for him, he was never going to scale the heights of say Leona or Alexandra Burke.

I also must add that if Stacey won last year i don't think she would have done any better either. I just feel that last year was a bad year, the quality wasn't as good and we were never really going to get a huge star unlike previous years. Ollis done well mind it has to be said, but is that just a one off?

I'd say last year had, overall, a greater standard of talent than the year before, but the voting public let the better acts slip out of the competition at the midway point. Miss Frank, Rachel Adedeji, Lucie Jones, Jamie Archer and Danyl Johnson all had fantastic voices and, IMO, would have gone on to be better winners than Joe, Olly or Stacey who ended up making it to the final. Even John and Edward would have made better winners, they at least have boundless energy and determination to achieve their goals.

He's dropped 15 places to 21 :eek: