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Angus 05-02-2011 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4093934)
You obviously know very little about the evidence in this case. Every British lawyer that looked at this case has said that Amanda would NOT have been convicted in the UK based on the evidence presented. Same for the US.

If you feel this strongly, you should be campaigning to change your own justice system to be be more in line with Italy's. Italy still has thew same justice system it had during the Inquisition days.

Italy has a very old and primitive justice system.


Let's hope it spectacularly backfires on her since I understand the prosecution are also appealing for a longer sentence. As for Italy having a very old and primitive justice system, I should look in your own backyard my dear - especially some of the individual state statutes are positively medieval and gung ho. Pot, Kettle springs to mind. You don't even HAVE a joined up justice system FFS:bored:

lostalex 05-02-2011 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4093943)

You are like your country, immature, full of ***t and self importance.


Thank you for illustrating my point. lol

And Amanda Knox got a fair trial from people with this attitude towards Americans. Yea right. *rolls eyes*

lostalex 05-02-2011 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 4093946)
Let's hope it spectacularly backfires on her since I understand the prosecution are also appealing for a longer sentence. As for Italy having a very old and primitive justice system, I should look in your own backyard my dear - especially some of the individual state statutes are positively medieval and gung ho. Pot, Kettle springs to mind. You don't even HAVE a joined up justice system FFS:bored:

i find it incredibly disturbing that you seem to take some sort of pleasure from the idea that Amanda will get a longer sentence. It doesn't effect me in any way. I have no plans on visiting your corrupt ****ed up continent anytime soon, so it doesn't matter to me. But the fact that you take PLEASURE in an American being in jail in primitive Italy says everything about you. Italy is the Mexico of Europe.


You have no conscience obviously.

Angus 05-02-2011 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4093959)
i find it incredibly disturbing that you seem to take some sort of pleasure from the idea that Amanda will get a longer sentence. It doesn't effect me in any way. I have no plans on visiting your ancient ****ed up continent anytime soon, so it doesn't matter to me. But the fact that you take PLEASURE in an American being in jain in primitive Italy says everything about you.


You have no conscience obviously.


Not everything is about America my dear. I don't give a flying ***** whether she's American, Chinese, English, Portugese or whatever. She's a killer and I hope she gets what she deserves. It's bloody hypocritical and patronising to accuse Italy, who abolished capital punishment in 1948, of having an antiquated justice system when you still have thousands of prisoners on death row in the United States - that paragon of virtue and shining example to the rest of the world:rolleyes::bored:

Shasown 05-02-2011 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4093956)
Thank you for illustrating my point. lol

And Amanda Knox got a fair trial from people with this attitude towards Americans. Yea right. *rolls eyes*

I am not Italian, I had nothing to do with her trial.

If you are going to criticise another country's system of justice you should make sure your own justice system is beyond reproach.

lostalex 05-02-2011 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4093984)
If you are going to criticise another country's system of justice you should make sure your own justice system is beyond reproach.

That doesn't make any sense at all. The idea that any countries system of justice is perfect is dumb. Name a single country that hasn't puyt an innocent person in jail. Name just one.

You can't. So basically your saying no one in the world can critisize any trial around the world, just because no justice system is perfect?

That actually makes sense to you??

That's stupid.

Angus 05-02-2011 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4093989)
That doesn't make any sense at all. The idea that any countries system of justice is perfect is dumb. Name a single country that hasn't puyt an innocent person in jail. Name just one.

You can't. So basically your saying no one in the world can critisize any trial around the world, just because no justice system is perfect?

That actually makes sense to you??

That's stupid.


Sad attempt at backtracking. And still no comment from you on the fact that USA puts killers to death, whereas Italy gives them indefinite room and board?

Shasown 05-02-2011 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4093989)
That doesn't make any sense at all. The idea that any countries system of justice is perfect is dumb. Name a single country that hasn't puyt an innocent person in jail. Name just one.

You can't. So basically your saying no one in the world can critisize any trial around the world, just because no justice system is perfect?

That actually makes sense to you??

That's stupid.

Not quite as clever as you seem are you?

I am simply using your own debating style against you, when you talk crap, I do, when you start insulting other countries because of your over inflated ego I will criticise your country.

When you debate sensibly with valid points, I will debate sensible valid points with you.

Why does your State Department not back up Maria Cantwell's claims of Anti American Bias in the trial, in fact they made a statement to the opposite effect.

lostalex 05-02-2011 12:55 PM

The USA has not executed anyone in over a hundred years. You may be talking about specific states and specific cases, i dunno. WHich case would you like to discuss specifically? You should make a thread about it.

We are talking about Amanda Knox though, IN ITALY.

lostalex 05-02-2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4093996)
Not quite as clever as you seem are you?

I am simply using your own debating style against you, when you talk crap, I do, when you start insulting other countries because of your over inflated ego I will criticise your country.

When you debate sensibly with valid points, I will debate sensible valid points with you.

Why does your State Department not back up Maria Cantwell's claims of Anti American Bias in the trial, in fact they made a statement to the opposite effect.

WHAT THE THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAVE TO DO WITH AMANDA'S CASE? THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAS NO MADE ANY COMMENT EIGTHER WAY.

oops caps.

lostalex 05-02-2011 12:59 PM

Anyway, i've made my point of view known, and the bigotry displayed in this thread has more than proven my point about old european ignorance. The same continent that brought the world the Spanish inquisition, the model to the world for justice... LOL

Meredith Kercher must be rolling in her grave.

Shasown 05-02-2011 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4094004)
Anyway, i've made my point of view known, and the bigotry displayed in this thread has more than proven my point about old european ignorance. The same continent that brought the world the Spanish inquisition, the model to the world for justice... LOL

Meredith Kercher must be rolling in her grave.

The inquisition finished a long time ago, more refined methods are still being used in the Guantanamo Bay recreational(:wink:) facility.

Yes the same continent that gave birth to the US amongst lots of other countries.

You make us so proud!

lostalex 05-02-2011 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4094021)

Yes the same continent that gave birth to the US amongst lots of other countries.

You make us so proud!

The US exists DESPITE europe, not BECAUSE of it. Immigrants came here to ESCAPE europe, not to mimic it. Get it right. I know you Brits love to revise history for yur own means, but i won't stand for it.

MTVN 05-02-2011 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4093997)
The USA has not executed anyone in over a hundred years. You may be talking about specific states and specific cases, i dunno. WHich case would you like to discuss specifically? You should make a thread about it.

We are talking about Amanda Knox though, IN ITALY.

What are you talking about, there were 46 executions in the US in the last year alone

lostalex 05-02-2011 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4094034)
What are you talking about, there were 46 executions in the US in the last year alone

and not a single one was executed by the US. You really need to learn about the US if you don't know the difference between a federal and state court.

MTVN 05-02-2011 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4094038)
and not a single one was executed by the US. You really need to learn about the US if you don't know the difference between a federal and state court.

"In 1972, in Furman v. Georgia, the United States Supreme Court ruled that the death penalty was unconstitutional. It was only a five to four votes, and three of the majority votes noted taht it wasn't so much the death penalty that was the problem, but rather the system was not working under the current law.

The Furman decision left open the right of the states to bring back the death penalty after changes had been made and by 1977 the death penalty was reinstated into American law"

Clearly the death penalty is still in use in the US, that is an undeniable fact

MTVN 05-02-2011 01:21 PM

Wikipedia:

"The United States federal government (in comparison to the separate states) applies the death penalty for certain crimes: treason, espionage, federal murder, large scale drug trafficking and attempting to kill a witness, juror, or court officer in certain cases. Military law allows execution of soldiers for several crimes. Executions by the federal government have been rare compared to those by state governments. Twenty-six federal (including military) executions have been carried out since 1950. Three of those (none of them military) have occurred in the modern post-Gregg era. This list only includes those executed under federal jurisdiction. The Federal Bureau of Prisons manages the housing and execution of federal death row prisoners. As of May 14, 2010 (2010 -05-14)[update], fifty-two people are on the federal death row for men at the Federal Correctional Complex in Terre Haute, Indiana; two women located at Federal Medical Center, Carswell in Fort Worth, Texas are on the federal death row"

You're talking sh*t I'm afraid

Angus 05-02-2011 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4094038)
and not a single one was executed by the US. You really need to learn about the US if you don't know the difference between a federal and state court.


So the people who carried out the executions were NOT Americans? Talk about disingenuous! You really don't have a leg to stand on:pat:

Shasown 05-02-2011 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4094033)
The US exists DESPITE europe, not BECAUSE of it. Immigrants came here to ESCAPE europe, not to mimic it. Get it right. I know you Brits love to revise history for yur own means, but i won't stand for it.

I knew the standard of education in schools was poor in the USA I didnt realise it was so poor. Or perhaps you just slipped through the system.

Go look up the early history of the land you so proudly but misguidely boast about, in particular look at places like Jamestown Virginia.

Another example is the victory of Yorktown, who was the Comte de Rochambeau and what was his army made up of?

The list is endless, but go on I dare you.

Oh by the way no answer to GTMO?

MTVN 05-02-2011 01:43 PM

He has conveniently just gone offline

Shasown 05-02-2011 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4094038)
and not a single one was executed by the US. You really need to learn about the US if you don't know the difference between a federal and state court.

Really, who executed Timothy McVeigh and Juan Raul Garza?

lostalex 05-02-2011 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4094070)
I knew the standard of education in schools was poor in the USA I didnt realise it was so poor. Or perhaps you just slipped through the system.

Go look up the early history of the land you so proudly but misguidely boast about, in particular look at places like Jamestown Virginia.

And citizens of Jamestown and all other colonies (along with native americans, and slaves) rejected their ties to europe in spectacular fashion, destroying you, and sending you home with your tails between your legs.

lostalex 05-02-2011 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4094071)
He has conveniently just gone offline

umm, wtf, why are you keeping track of my online status? That's creepy.

MTVN 05-02-2011 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4094095)
umm, wtf, why are you keeping track of my online status? That's creepy.

Because I was wondering why you were taking so long to admit you were wrong about the US not executing anyone for 100 years. As it happens you've just ignored it instead.

And because there's a big greeen circle that lights up when you're online, not exactly hard to tell is it

Shasown 05-02-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4094092)
And citizens of Jamestown and all other colonies (along with native americans, and slaves) rejected their ties to europe in spectacular fashion, destroying you, and sending you home with your tails between your legs.

Ok let me put it another way, hopefully you will be able to understand this because I am typing it slowly for you. I am talking about the establishment of the colonies. Who founded Jamestown and why was it established?

Incidentally it ceased to exist as a settlement before 1700 quite a few years before the War of Independence. Its primarily that point that meant it provided excellent archaeological evidence about the early life of the colonies.

all other colonies? I think not, try this article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalis...can_Revolution)

Angus 05-02-2011 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4094004)
Anyway, i've made my point of view known, and the bigotry displayed in this thread has more than proven my point about old european ignorance. The same continent that brought the world the Spanish inquisition, the model to the world for justice... LOL

Meredith Kercher must be rolling in her grave.


You really need to be careful about criticising other countries when European Immigrants to America (YOUR ancestors) were responsible for one of the most disgraceful genocides in history - that of the native American Indians. And how about Vietnam? Hardly covered yourselves in glory there did you?So get off your indignant, moral high horse and stop playing the race card - the last resort of someone on a losing argument:bored:

The only reason Meredith Kercher will be rolling in her grave is if that murdering bitch is released, or has her sentence reduced.

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 05-02-2011 03:40 PM

why does every thread turn into an argument about america :bored:

http://i53.tinypic.com/bjel3a.gif

lostalex 05-02-2011 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott (Post 4094185)
why does every thread turn into an argument about america :bored:

http://i53.tinypic.com/bjel3a.gif

ferr realzzzz. it's boring now.

lostalex 05-02-2011 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 4094179)
The only reason Meredith Kercher will be rolling in her grave is if that murdering bitch is released, or has her sentence reduced.

I disagree, and i think i've made that known, so let's stop bickering. We disagree. ENUF.

MTVN 05-02-2011 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4094195)
ferr realzzzz. it's boring now.

What the hell are you on about, you're the one who cant enter a thread without proclaiming how great and superior all things American are

Marsh. 05-02-2011 04:39 PM

Is somebody suggesting Amanda Knox is innocent? I hope that's not what the film is going to play. Knox should rot in hell, murdering bitch.

And how many more threads are there going to be with lostalex having an argument about America?


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