Intelligent people don't always need things to be blatantly stated. By posting that link you were trying to achieve something, and what was it? Obviously that vegans are fanatical and irresponsible because of their zealousness.

What was she trying to prove, then? Again, she was only offering her view. You seem to have a problem with people with differing opinions to you. I hate to say it but, if you're gonna be like that, these forums aren't the place for you.

She was only trying to prove why she doesn't want to be a vegan. That's all.

do you respect racists, murderers, thief's, etc? I don't respect people who eat meat. If people don't respect me, that's fine.

Intelligent people realise when someone refers to a 'couple' that that is who they were referring to, and not making a generalisation on all vegans.

If you need to question what the point of me posting that link: I suggest you read again the same wording that I referred you to in my previous post. Take the blinkers off and you might see the difference in what I said, and what you think I said.

That's hilarious. Everyone who knows me knows that I am one of the most accepting people alive. I love people who are different and teach me about religions and cultures and lifestyles that I never knew about before. The only things that I have a problem with are when people violate other's rights to live how they want to. And yes, that includes the rights of animals. People like to think that humans are special and what not, but we are just very intelligent animals... some of us more so than others. We don't have a right to needlessly take another animal's life.

I don't respect people who go around throwing insults about and who hate people for nothing more than the fact others don't share the same view as them.

Glad you're fine with that.

I dont care.

No, I don't respect racists, murderers and thiefs. Those people do not deserve respect. I find it extremely bizzare that you don't like people who eat meat and you're gonna hate 90% of the British population. If, however, you still don't like people who eat meat, fair enough. It's your opinion. I can't tell you what to think. Don't express your hatred, though.

How would you feel if, say, someone who hated all people living in England came on these forums (which, again, is incredibly strange)? You would object to it - because it would piss you off.

Now you know what it's like to be one of us. If you hate meat eaters, all right; but, please, take your negativity somewhere else and stop having a go at people who don't share your views.

Also, you said that it's your view and that we should respect it. Why should we respect your views if you don't respect ours?

You're perfectly entitled to your view but don't take out your negativity on other people. It isn't fair. Simple as.

Im not looking for irate answers or an argument, but how do vegans get proper nourishment?

Therefore you will love tribes such as the Masi Mari who rely heavily on animal products, drinking the animal's blood and many others who do the same thing?

I realize you said "couple" obviously. What I am saying is that your purpose for posting that link was to portray vegans in a poor way. Was it supposed to make vegans look good? I know what you said, I don't have blinkers on, and I know the effect that post was meant to have.

Well, you're not in this instance. Anyway, I have absolutely nothing against you - except for this thing you've got on, which I think is wrong.

YOU'RE entitled to YOUR opinion but you shouldn't have a go at other people. We need meat. Do we need racists? No. Do we not homophobics? No. Do we need other twisted, perverted, arrogant little cows? No. Do people need meat, though? Yes. It is not your job to tell people what they can and cannot eat. If you don't like meat, absolutely fine. Just don't have a go at people who don't agree with you. That's very childish.

Of course meat is murder.

No, but I understand that because of the resources available to them it is a necessity for them to use animal products. It is unfortunate, but a cruel part of life. We are very lucky that we live in places where we don't have to use animal products.

Fair enough. I see you're really passionate about animals - which is fine. :) For the umpteenth time, though, just don't call people names because they don't share your views.

Oh hello.. I'd forgotten all about you! You made me laugh so much last year. :)

No we don't. It actually reduces high blood pressure, colon and prostate cancers, and heart disease if you don't consume animal products.

This thread has made me want a bacon sarnie now but I cant be bothered to cook :bored:

Omega 3 - fatty acids, is a problem. One of three crucial components being DHA.

• DHA is a long chain (22 carbon) fatty acid. It is found mostly in fatty fish, in small amounts in eggs, and in very small amounts in seaweed. It is a major component of the gray matter of the brain, and also found in the retina, testis, sperm, and cell membranes. Low levels of DHA have been associated with depression, and high levels and intake are associated with lower rates of heart disease.

Special vegan supplements are recommended, same for B12 vitamin. I'm sure our Vegan friend will confirm.

Thank you! Everyone on here has been so savage just because I want cruelty to end. I didn't realize I was calling people names, but I suppose I just get really aggressive about this issue.

Ah.... so again, you change your stance.

What about those who have intolerances to a vegan/veggie lifestyle - can do it, may wish to follow but will cause them discomfort as far as health is concerned.? do you hate them too .... after all, what's a bit of discomfort due to body intolerance vs an animal being killed?

All of my foods give me adequate amounts of both. As I have said before, we are very lucky to live in a time and place in which these things are available to us.

Order fish and chips. Or can you not be bothered getting the 'phone? :p :hugesmile: ;)

Those are just some of the negatives, though - with a particular accentuation on red meat. There's a lot of positive involved, too.

That's totally fine. It's normal to get worked up in a debate! I don't agree, though, on the fact that meat is bad - because there's a lot more positive than negative involved - but it's your opinion and I'm not gonna change that. It's a free country. You do what's best for you. :)

maybe not getting enough Omega 3 fatty acids then if you didn't realise calling people ignorant etc, unintelligent etc was name calling?

Really. you manage to get enough DHA? Call my cynical, but I don't believe you.

What are you talking about? I haven't changed my stance on veganism in two years. In many areas and times people do not have the ability to survive on vegan diets. For example, the Inuits ate pretty much entirely meat. They had to. Like carnivorous animals today, they have a right to life as well.

Too late to order a big meal. And I cant eat fish, I'm masively allergic to the skin so cant take the risk :tongue:

I have been a vegetarian for the past 7 years. I've never really liked eating meat though, when I was younger I didn't even eat fish or chicken because you can see the shape of the animal on your plate and I just couldn't eat it, I have always thought eating meat is vile and felt extremely guilty when I used to do so.

You've certainly changed your stance on this thread: sometime you hate non vegan, sometimes you don't.

Many specifically vegan foods are fortified with them now. I used to take vitamins, but I actually don't have to now because of the foods I eat.

Really? Shame. Fish is well decent.

Be a devil, get it skinned and suck on the flesh ......... :D

I love the way they fry them. Tastes epic. *Needs a moment to think about it.*

Okay - so you've confirmed my point about supplements being recommended. (note: I did state recommended in my earlier post).

In my original post I said I hate people who are not vegan or who do not consider being vegan, I then clarified my brief statement in a later post. I'm truly sorry I didn't write a nine page summary of my specific beliefs for you.

Seems you're right this time around. ;)

No apology needed. You're more than entitled to have your opinion, and more than entitled to change your mind.

I never denied it. You misunderstood: I get enough of them in my foods my food is fortified with them. I wasn't trying to deny your point at all - you were correct and I was confirming it.

Aw thanks pal <3 For a minute there I thought I wasn't entitled to my opinion.