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arista 06-03-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5000236)
It doesn't matter what people do, what they get up to, how lazy and dishonest they are, someone, somewhere will turn it into a "Yeah, but rich people do bad stuff" argument.


The Banks are paying Loophole Tax Now.


But this Women is a Outright Criminal
That Matters

Niamh. 06-03-2012 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 5000254)
right thats enough forum for me,iv just imagined iv got 3 more kid to claim for,lol

;)

Kizzy 06-03-2012 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5000236)
It doesn't matter what people do, what they get up to, how lazy and dishonest they are, someone, somewhere will turn it into a "Yeah, but rich people do bad stuff" argument.

I will, there will always be greedy dishonest people, but who are the latest 'folk devils' the underclass not the MPs and their duck houses.
Are we living in another new right infested tory government? yes we are....Is the sun whipping up a moral panic? yes it is.
This could all have been avoided, no need for birth certificates.
ONE phone call to the registrar, when? where? who?...job done.
:elephant:
How ace is this elephant?

Me. I Am Salman 06-03-2012 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 5000211)

:joker::joker:

Me. I Am Salman 06-03-2012 11:33 AM

It baffles me that there are people who can get away with this stuff

arista 06-03-2012 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Salman! (Post 5000314)
It baffles me that there are people who can get away with this stuff

Sometimes its passed on from Criminal Parents.



She is a Criminal
and Scams like this Matter

fruit_cake 06-03-2012 12:00 PM

tbh I know a woman who has never worked a day in her life, and somehow she managed to get her kids into a private school, and the kids are never short of the latest designer clothes, mobile phones etc. She's even had solar panels put on her roof.

arista 06-03-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 5000373)
tbh I know a woman who has never worked a day in her life, and somehow she managed to get her kids into a private school, and the kids are never short of the latest designer clothes, mobile phones etc. She's even had solar panels put on her roof.



Call "The Sun"

Kizzy 06-03-2012 12:05 PM

She either has a wealthy ex, or she sells crack.

Livia 06-03-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 5000243)
whats good for the goose is good for the gander!

All that means is that -as Niamh's pointed out - the decent, hardworking people end up paying more tax. Just because some rich people are twats (and not all of them are, they're employers and investors) doesn't mean you should admire someone for screwing the system that I am (and possibly you are) paying for through mythe tax system.

fruit_cake 06-03-2012 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5000385)
All that means is that -as Niamh's pointed out - the decent, hardworking people end up paying more tax. Just because some rich people are twats (and not all of them are, they're employers and investors) doesn't mean you should admire someone for screwing the system that I am (and possibly you are) paying for through mythe tax system.

I'm not sure anyone admires them, some appear to feel it's more important a crime than others I'd say.

Livia 06-03-2012 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5000308)
I will, there will always be greedy dishonest people, but who are the latest 'folk devils' the underclass not the MPs and their duck houses.
Are we living in another new right infested tory government? yes we are....Is the sun whipping up a moral panic? yes it is.
This could all have been avoided, no need for birth certificates.
ONE phone call to the registrar, when? where? who?...job done.
:elephant:
How ace is this elephant?

Well that's a bit jumbled but I'll work through it.

We have the government people voted for. If everyone who was eligible to vote actually did vote then the story might be different.

You probably don't know any MPs, what they do, how they work or how hard their staff work, not just in government but in their own constituencies. You remember one story about a moron with a duck house who tried to screw his expenses and you're going to cling on to that story for dear life and hold it up as an example for every other tory-hating leftie, conveniently forgetting all the MPs from all parties who didn't screw the system. Your hatred for the Right has made you lose sight of the fact that the left no longer really exists because it's full of champagne socialists richer than many Conservatives. You labour under the illusion that all Tories are rich, privately educated, trust-fund backed toffs, when this is just not the case. However, your hatred of the Right colours your judgement to such an extent that you end up sticking up for somoeone sucking money out of your own pocket by fiddling the benefits system you pay for.

The elephant is not ace, it's annoying and doesn't really do much to illustrate your point on a serious thread, to be frank.

Kizzy 06-03-2012 12:36 PM

Well thanks for the patronising rant livia. I dont have to know MPs personally, i read and watch the news. Fiddling your expenses is fraud. MPs are paid a fitting wage for the work they do.
Shall we fill the sun newspaper with EVERY MP that was found to have committed this FRAUD? Name and shame each one.
No one admires criminals, whatever social background they come from.

MTVN 06-03-2012 12:41 PM

I'd imagine this was more just an anomaly than the norm, and not necessarily as a result of an inherent flaw in the benefit system, it seems they were aware she was overclaiming for years. I find stories like these are more often than not sensationalised by the likes of the Sun and the Mail, and if you ask me it is relevant to point out that millions, even billions, of pounds are lost by hugely wealthy firms and people who manage to avoid paying taxes and find loopholes, and yet are not vilified in the same way that benefit cheats are

arista 06-03-2012 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 5000430)
I'd imagine this was more just an anomaly than the norm, and not necessarily as a result of an inherent flaw in the benefit system, it seems they were aware she was overclaiming for years. I find stories like these are more often than not sensationalised by the likes of the Sun and the Mail, and if you ask me it is relevant to point out that millions, even billions, of pounds are lost by hugely wealthy firms and people who manage to avoid paying taxes and find loopholes, and yet are not vilified in the same way that benefit cheats are

No Banks are now Paying Tax Loopholes.


Yes it Front Page,
of course many other mums are Not Criminal
but she is

MTVN 06-03-2012 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 5000442)
No Banks are now Paying Tax Loopholes.


Yes it Front Page,
of course many other mums are Not Criminal
but she is

I wasn't necessarily talking about banks, tax evasion is still a problem and still deprives the economy of millions, or billions of pounds

Kizzy 06-03-2012 01:13 PM

My question is what do they do in the DWP? Over ten years...it cant be possible surely.

thesheriff443 06-03-2012 01:23 PM

this is an example of how fcuked this country is!
my mate hade a 12,ooo tax bill,that he could not clear in one go,he offered to pay 100 every month until it was clear,they said no and took him to court to make him bankrupt and they got nothing!

Angus 06-03-2012 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 5000230)
I'd never do such a thing, and frankly, although I don't condone what they are doing I do tend to think these people are used as scapegoats to a certain extent to keep our eyes focused away from the rich and the scams they get up to.

Divide and rule, divide and rule..

What muddled thinking! To paraphrase a famous quotation "all it takes for fraud to flourish is for people to turn a blind eye". It's precisely because of scroungers defrauding the system that scarce resources are misdirected and those who truly need help can't get it. I would report a scrounging scumbag in a heartbeat, and not go around polishing my halo for not "grassing up" said scumbag, or pontificating about notional scams which might or might not be perpetrated by "rich" people, when you have actual scamming going on under your very nose of which you are fully aware.

Fraud is fraud whoever is committing it. Being poor doesn't give you licence to go around thieving and defrauding the system. From the sound of it the women you are talking about are NOT poor, they have working partners, and are just greedy, con artists.

thesheriff443 06-03-2012 01:26 PM

the real vilians are the people in power that sent are troops to die fighting the so called threat of weapons of mass destruction,when the real reason was to safe gaurd the oil!.

Benjamin 06-03-2012 01:28 PM

Stupid woman. I hope this comes back to bite her lazy ass. Too many sponging layabouts nowadays who want something for nothing and feel the world always owes them more, even though they contribute **** all to society. If I had my way I'd line these lazy people up and send them to mines/orchards/farms to do some hard labour so they know exactly what some people have to go through to get their wage and bread each day.

Livia 06-03-2012 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5000424)
Well thanks for the patronising rant livia. I dont have to know MPs personally, i read and watch the news. Fiddling your expenses is fraud. MPs are paid a fitting wage for the work they do.
Shall we fill the sun newspaper with EVERY MP that was found to have committed this FRAUD? Name and shame each one.
No one admires criminals, whatever social background they come from.


Yes, fiddling your expenses IS fraud, you're quite right. However, the MPs that did commit the fraud have already been named and shamed in a whole host of newspapers, I don't see how anyone could have missed it. I can assure you that all expense claims have been tightened up to a ridiculous degree in Parliament, ensuring those MPs (and their staff) who wouldn't ever have dreamed of fiddling their expenses find it almost impossible to claim for even ligitimate stuff these days, the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority sees to that. So I have reason to detest the MPs who fiddled, and I do detest them. But MPs expenses have been done to death, and yet every time some feckless member of the unter-class gets caught fiddling a benefits system that's meant to be there to help the most needy, a whole host of people whip out the old tar brush and give everyone in parliament a dab with it.

As you mention that MPs are paid "a fitting wage", I have to disagree there also. They're paid around £60,000pa. That's not even a middle management salary in the private sector, and for the responsibility they take it just ensures that only people of private means can afford to be MPs. People from less well-off backgrounds take their skills and find better paid employment elsewhere.

arista 06-03-2012 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 5000603)
the real vilians are the people in power that sent are troops to die fighting the so called threat of weapons of mass destruction,when the real reason was to save gaurd the oil!.



Yes Off Topic

But Evil Blair and New Labour
was a Warmonger

Niamh. 06-03-2012 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ukturtle (Post 5000609)
Stupid woman. I hope this comes back to bite her lazy ass. Too many sponging layabouts nowadays who want something for nothing and feel the world always owes them more, even though they contribute **** all to society. If I had my way I'd line these lazy people up and send them to mines/orchards/farms to do some hard labour so they know exactly what some people have to go through to get their wage and bread each day.

http://i55.tinypic.com/30vhco8.jpg

MTVN 06-03-2012 01:37 PM

D:

Kizzy 06-03-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5000612)
Yes, fiddling your expenses IS fraud, you're quite right. However, the MPs that did commit the fraud have already been named and shamed in a whole host of newspapers, I don't see how anyone could have missed it. I can assure you that all expense claims have been tightened up to a ridiculous degree in Parliament, ensuring those MPs (and their staff) who wouldn't ever have dreamed of fiddling their expenses find it almost impossible to claim for even ligitimate stuff these days, the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority sees to that. So I have reason to detest the MPs who fiddled, and I do detest them. But MPs expenses have been done to death, and yet every time some feckless member of the unter-class gets caught fiddling a benefits system that's meant to be there to help the most needy, a whole host of people whip out the old tar brush and give everyone in parliament a dab with it.

As you mention that MPs are paid "a fitting wage", I have to disagree there also. They're paid around £60,000pa. That's not even a middle management salary in the private sector, and for the responsibility they take it just ensures that only people of private means can afford to be MPs. People from less well-off backgrounds take their skills and find better paid employment elsewhere.

Well, there we have it livia, they are NOT in the private sector are they. they are public sector workers. If all you want is money and status then take your 'skills' and go i say.
And to be fair she can't be such a 'feckless' member of the underclass if she managed to defraud the DWP for 10 years can she?....I wonder if she has ever thought about a career in politics?....Im not for one second condoning her actions btw.

Marc 06-03-2012 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 5000211)

:lovedup:

thesheriff443 06-03-2012 01:45 PM

and before anyone says its beacuse of the cheats!they say there about 50,000 cheats how does that compare to the 59 million people people in the uk

Kizzy 06-03-2012 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ukturtle (Post 5000609)
Stupid woman. I hope this comes back to bite her lazy ass. Too many sponging layabouts nowadays who want something for nothing and feel the world always owes them more, even though they contribute **** all to society. If I had my way I'd line these lazy people up and send them to mines/orchards/farms to do some hard labour so they know exactly what some people have to go through to get their wage and bread each day.

I would say she has made a very important contribution to be fair, she brought to media attention failings in the current system. :)

Roy Mars III 06-03-2012 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ukturtle (Post 5000609)
Stupid woman. I hope this comes back to bite her lazy ass. Too many sponging layabouts nowadays who want something for nothing and feel the world always owes them more, even though they contribute **** all to society. If I had my way I'd line these lazy people up and send them to mines/orchards/farms to do some hard labour so they know exactly what some people have to go through to get their wage and bread each day.

:worship:

Livia 06-03-2012 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5000641)
Well, there we have it livia, they are NOT in the private sector are they. they are public sector workers. If all you want is money and status then take your 'skills' and go i say.
And to be fair she can't be such a 'feckless' member of the underclass if she managed to defraud the DWP for 10 years can she?....I wonder if she has ever thought about a career in politics?....Im not for one second condoning her actions btw.

And there we have what? You actually want your country run by people with private wealth behind them? I thought you were a socialist? It appears not. You're about a socialist as multi-millionaire Tony Blair.

It obviously doesn't take a genius to defraud a DWP that's been haemorraging cash for the whole of Labour's term. They didn't spot it for eight years... but of course, the Tories will be responsible for the whole ten years I'm guessing.

And this is you NOT condoning her actions? LOL... Okay.

Benjamin 06-03-2012 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5000687)
I would say she has made a very important contribution to be fair, she brought to media attention failings in the current system. :)

Doesn't deflect the fact that she is a sponging scrounger though does it? One that is sapping money from society and doing nothing to contribute. Lazy people need a boot up their ass and to stop being pampered and treated like a victim.

InOne 06-03-2012 02:03 PM

She is scum. God knows what chance the kids have with a mother like that. Social services will hopefully be involved.

Marsh. 06-03-2012 02:12 PM

What kind of house was she in? Did no one find it odd that this woman with 10 kids was living in a 2 up 2 down backstreet of Manchester? Ridiculous.

My younger brother has cerebral palsy and has struggled for funding on all sorts of equipment, been on endless waiting lists to join groups and care centres and women like this just make it harder for everyone. Scum, she should be hung.

Niamh. 06-03-2012 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh (Post 5000735)
What kind of house was she in? Did no one find it odd that this woman with 10 kids was living in a 2 up 2 down backstreet of Manchester? Ridiculous.

My younger brother has cerebral palsy and has struggled for funding on all sorts of equipment, been on endless waiting lists to join groups and care centres and women like this just make it harder for everyone. Scum, she should be hung.

Sorry to hear that, stories like this must be really maddening for you.

Marc 06-03-2012 02:18 PM

It's a crime that women like this are not sterilised at the first sign of stupidity.

Marsh. 06-03-2012 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 5000748)
Sorry to hear that, stories like this must be really maddening for you.

Thanks. Definitely infuriates me, it's the unbelievable selfishness that gets me the most. How they think it's perfectly fine to take what they want as they please without contributing anything to the community.

Especially in the current climate when people are losing their jobs and homes that they worked so hard for in their lives.

Kizzy 06-03-2012 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5000694)
And there we have what? You actually want your country run by people with private wealth behind them? I thought you were a socialist? It appears not. You're about a socialist as multi-millionaire Tony Blair.

It obviously doesn't take a genius to defraud a DWP that's been haemorraging cash for the whole of Labour's term. They didn't spot it for eight years... but of course, the Tories will be responsible for the whole ten years I'm guessing.

And this is you NOT condoning her actions? LOL... Okay.

Stop misquoting me livia, respond to what i say and not what you want to think i said...I am not a socialist either, please dont label me.
Im in favour of welfare reforms, they are not the issue in discussion though are they?
Its the way the red tops demonise certain groups in an attempt to whip the public into a feeding frenzy of hatred over said group. Its working perfectly.
Once again i DO NOT condone her actions, as your 'LOL ...Okay' suggests you dont believe me .
We have a different view, the difference is i respect you for yours.

Kizzy 06-03-2012 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 5000755)
It's a crime that women like this are not sterilised at the first sign of stupidity.

Slightly off topic but what is the title of your dissertation marc?...

Niamh. 06-03-2012 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh (Post 5000770)
Thanks. Definitely infuriates me, it's the unbelievable selfishness that gets me the most. How they think it's perfectly fine to take what they want as they please without contributing anything to the community.

Especially in the current climate when people are losing their jobs and homes that they worked so hard for in their lives.

Yeah, I completely agree with that.


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