:laugh: alright, then you must agree with me or I will ban you!

:evilgrin:

I don't understand how people STILL don't think Natalie should've won. Her game was pretty flawless IMO.

agree on this however :p

China's my favourite season I hate you now.

oh jesus Marc you're killing me now. s0b

Um let's look at Russell's own words when he voted Liz off...

"Liz is so stupid, I don't even see how she can walk without fallin' down. It's just ridiculous. If we merge, we need somebody on the inside, and Natalie's doin' a good job talkin' to Laura around the camp."

So basically, Russell keeps the biggest social threat in the game and you're saying he deserved to win? Galu HATED Russell and it was clearly obvious. Russell did nothing to change it, he didn't think that was important. Even when Monica told him that he needs to put people on the Jury who will vote for him, he said he doesn't think so. He'll get to the end 100 times and never win. Anyone would LOVE to go to the end with him because he'd never win, he's the perfect goat. It's a lost cause to try to defend how he deserves to win.

Um it IS her fault. Clearly Russell's volatile, abrasive, and needs to feel like he's in control. Parvati might've thought it was fun to show Russell who was boss, but all it really did was jump start a giant game of screw your buddy. They spent the rest of the season trying to outdo each other and it led to both of their downfalls. Natalie knew that all she had to do was be social and get people to like her and she would win. I mean come on, it's Russell, it's not hard to beat him in a Final TC. However, Parvati wanted to take matters into her own hands and Russell wanted to get his revenge by getting Danielle out. Danielle's boot cost both of them the game, the only way one of Russell/Danielle/Parvati would win is if they were the F3. Any Hero or Sandra in there, they automatically win.

He got rid of Liz because she was starting to lose trust in Russell.

Why Natalie didn't deserve to win? Because she RODE Russell's back.

Let me ask you this. Lets say if Russell wasn't there, you honestly believe that Natalie would have made it to the finals when her tribe was down in numbers? The only reason she made it to the finals was because she was Russell's main ally.

Russell has shown that he can get to the finals once the players don't know his game. He made it to the finals in back to back seasons. That's ********* impressive.

Coming back from being down 4-8 is ********* impressive.

Parvati was more loyal to Danielle than she was to Russell. That's why he got rid of Danielle. It was the right move. It did get him to the final after all.

At least admit that Russell is a great manipulator and strategist. At least admit that.

RUSSELL HAD A BETTER CHANCE WITH NATALIE THAN PRETTY MUCH ANYONE ELSE.
If he brought jayson i think he would of won, and if he brought someone from the other tribe to f3 it would be 100% them winning, not a single chance

RUSSELL HAD A BETTER CHANCE WITH NATALIE THAN PRETTY MUCH ANYONE ELSE.
If he brought jayson i think he would of won, and if he brought someone from the other tribe to f3 it would be 100% them winning, not a single chance

He said it himself that he kept Natalie around so she could get in good with the other tribe. He acknowledged that she's a Jury threat and decided to keep her anyway. How can you say THAT makes him deserving of the win? Natalie saw the easiest and most straightforward way to win the game: hide behind Russell, the most unlikable person in the game. My god, the end of Samoa was obvious before the merge just with Russell choosing Natalie over Liz, that was the end all of all end alls. Just as Courtney and Sandra was a season later, Russell didn't learn from his mistake. Russell's game was self destructive. There's nothing impressive about making 40 alliances and backstabbing all of them. If you do that and think you even stand a chance at the Jury, you're a fool. There's no possible argument to say Russell played a good game when he shows many times that he lacks understand of the game's basics.

It wasn't right at all, it was impulsive and a huge error, possibly his biggest ever. I can't stand when people call the Jurors bitter and butthurt because what does that make Russell? He's bitter he's out of Danielle/Parvati! I can't believe you think that was the right move, seriously it's foolish to think so. Instead of sticking in a powerful trio until the final three, he's going to break them apart. For no damn reason. There's no good, strategic reason Russell had behind this. He was just bitter. These are the only two people who even talk to him at this point, he NEEDS them (because he put himself in such a ****ty position but hey, that's a whole nother story.) If Parvati/Danielle are so close, does he really think he can turn them against each other? :joker: That's a ****ing joke, I'll tell you that. How can you even say this got Russell to the end and that he's a good strategist.

HE ASSEMBLED THE MOST BITTER, ANGRIEST, SPITEFUL JURY AGAINST HIM FOR CRYING OUT LOUD

Coach - promised him F3, blindsided
Courtney - clearly hates Russell
JT - blindsided him after accepting a Hidden Immunity Idol
Amanda - blindsided randomly
Candice - promised her F3, blindsided almost immediately after
Danielle - the angriest, and most rightful of them all, I don't even need to explain
Rupert - called him a dumbass to his face and said that he doesn't give a **** about him, then promised him F3 and voted him off
Colby - promised F3 and voted off

Russell put THESE people on the Jury?! You've got to be ****ing kidding if you're saying he's a great strategist and he deserved to win. For ****'s sake, Russell was awful. How on Earth was it smart to get rid of Danielle? Russell got rid of a trusted ally and opened the game up for someone else to win. The only possible way himself, Parvati, or Danielle stood a chance of winning is if they were all against each other. Russell opened that door for a Hero/Sandra to get in there and win. That's exactly what happened. Voting out Danielle was seriously the dumbest move he's made, if not one of the dumbest ever made. It's a lost cause to try and defend it.
Jerri - explicitly said that she wasn't in the trio, promised her F3 later

Really? :joker: He had a better chance with the biggest social butterfly in a social game? He had the best chance to win when going against the girl who he noticed GETS IN SOCIALLY WITH THE OTHER TRIBE?! :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:: joker: Seriously you don't have a clue about the game if you think that's the case.

Favourite: Heroes v.s. Villains (only bad thing about it was the winner)

Least: Fiji (I liked Yau-Man but everything else was terrible. Especially when Dreamz when back on his promise. Earl was a good player, but probably also the most boring winner ever. Also just a boring season in general, really)

favorite: survivor australian outback.
Least: Survivor South Pacific

Most: FvF and HvV

Least: Palau, Fiji

Most: China or Pearl Islands
Least: Samoa

Haven't seen Redemption Island or South Pacific (and never will)

Faves:
1. Pearl Islands
2. China
3. Panama
4. Vanuatu
5. Gabon

Least:
1. Redemption Island
2. Palau
3. Fiji
4. Thailand
5. Samoa

Answer my question.

Well one can't say for sure because if Russell wasn't there, Natalie would have a different strategy, whatever it may be. But Natalie's social game was superb, far ahead of anyone else in Samoa. She integrated herself well within Galu, having a back up plan with a female alliance and having a say in Erik's boot. Natalie definitely held her own and it wasn't all because of Russell.

I just watched parvati's double hidden immunity idol play, it's so good!!! Every single time I love it!

Favourite: Cook Islands, Heroes vs Villians, Samoa and South Pacific.

Least: Borneo, The Australian Outback and Gabon

Had everything to do with Russell. She was his lap dog. Russell controlled his own fate, Natalie didn't. Everyone that Russell wanted voted off, went home in both HvV and Samoa. He controlled the whole game.

If Russell wasn't there Natalie would have been one of the first to go.

Natalie wasn't a terrible player, but she wasn't a great one either.

Look, stop arguing, Natalie was a weak player, that's WHY she made it to the final. Everyone knows that bringing a weak player to the final increases your chances of winning, and the the only reason that Natalie made the final was because Russell saw her as a weak player and thought "there's no way anyone would vote for her over me". So he CARRIED her to the end.

Obviously Russell underestimated the jury's hate for him. That jury would have voted for Osama Bin Laden over him they hated him so much.

Favorite: season 16: Fans Vs. Favs
Worst: season 6: The Amazon

Might watch Samoa again

How can you dislike the Amazon?

Actually forgot about that one, probably me favourite season actually. Rob C. is one of the best

omg, australian outback basically DEFINED survivor for all seasons to come, it was good. and i know Gabon wasn't popular, but i rewatched it recently, and i think the funniest and best tribal council ever came from Gabon, the tribal where Crystal was screaming into the camera during the vote about how much she hated Randy, and then Randy looked all smug cause he thought he had an Immunity idol, but it turned out to be a fake idol and jeff threw it in the fire. OMG it was amazing. Also Bob was probably the most likable winner ever. He really was an amazing, intelligent, kind, decent man. I loved Bob!

I was bored the whole time. no great characters.

I liked the game changing seasons. Samoa was great for the Shambo involvement and Russell/Natalie. I loved Cook Island for the multiethnic split and Exile Island for the.. Exile Island

Gabon is a great season, with probably the second worst winner ever though

lmao.

I've never seen so many differing views on a TV Show, even when BB is on people tend to understand each other

the fake idols thing was great, ill admit that, but Bob was so bad at the game overall though(well I guess not so bad, he did win lol). He just stumbled around being the old guy. Nice guy and all, but not a player I like. I like the morally bankrupt people who will stab anyone in the back to get ahead.

Randy, that evil lawyer lady, and Kenny were the heroes of the season

100% truth.

You finally made a post that I agree with. :shocked:

Crystal was a let down in Gabon, thought she'd own everything

Amazon was a terrible season. Should have put that in my list actually.

she got busted for steroid use and lost all her medals as well.

I just hate seasons where they aren't a lot of game play. There was never really any power shifts. Gabon wasn't terrible, but it was kind of boring. I liked Bob.

Maybe I'm remembering it too highly, haven't seen it in years. Really like Rob C though, and his survivor podcast is great

One thing I hate about Cook Islands. Yul had too much power with that idol. It was the most powerful idol ever. It carried him all the way to the finals. You couldn't even blindside him, because he could play the idol after the votes were counted. WTF

That bs cost Ozzy the win.

did she get busted for steroid use? i thought her medal got taken away because marion jones was on her team and marion jones got busted. and because Crystal's medal was in a relay event with marion, the whole relay team lost the medals.