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Pyramid* 06-04-2012 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 5064620)


Well they do say the only thing in life that's certain is death and taxes (mostly on fags !!) :D

Marc 06-04-2012 11:14 AM

Are there any parents (who don't smoke) who have a view on this?

Pyramid* 06-04-2012 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 5064625)
Hi Pyramid* :hugesmile::dance::dance:You have been a massive miss, Needed you like crazy last week,:joker:

Totally right as ever and great to see your name again, really missed you.

Hello Joey! Thanks for the welcome back. :wavey:

What happened last week- what fun did I miss ! :shocked:

I am just back from holiday funny enough - with 6 months supply of fags/baccy - so Ammi must have read my mind when she started this thread! :hugesmile:

You'll have to excuse me.... I have some smokers phlegm that I need to hoak up into a spitton.................. :D (jkg!!)

arista 06-04-2012 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 5064620)



Sure
But Stinking Smokers can Die in Horrid Pain
Coughing up Blood etc.

joeysteele 06-04-2012 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 5064630)
Hello Joey! Thanks for the welcome back. :wavey:

What happened last week- what fun did I miss ! :shocked:

I am just back from holiday funny enough - with 6 months supply of fags/baccy - so Ammi must have read my mind when she started this thread! :hugesmile:

You'll have to excuse me.... I have some smokers phlegm that I need to hoak up into a spitton.................. :D (jkg!!)



Oh nothing of great importance just a great load of fun in a game that was going,so glad to see you back and :joker: love the humour you have injected into this topic on tobacco displays too.:joker:.


Hope you had a really good break and a great holiday too, honestly though, a very warm welcome back.

Boothy 06-04-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 5064610)
Sure
But in Time it will Work,

I Also want Smokers banned from Main Streets

arista
For PM

Life in the Fast Lane

Marc 06-04-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 5064635)
Sure
But Stinking Smokers can Die in Horrid Pain
Coughing up Blood etc.

Yes true, however their smoke could get us
the
same way

joeysteele 06-04-2012 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 5064635)
Sure
But Stinking Smokers can Die in Horrid Pain
Coughing up Blood etc.

Being fair,a lot of people do that arista having never had a cigarette in their mouth ever or been around smokers particularly.

It's not just smokers that may end up possibly suffering that and likely most smokers never do anyway.

Pyramid* 06-04-2012 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 5064588)
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Vicky - is mum aware of the new rules that came into force 1st October? Just tell her to be aware - it's a very badly worded ruling which basically is worded to put the frighteners on travellers - a few of my friends bottled it but as long as it can be justified as own use - no issue - but if she's unaware - might be worthwhile ensuring she's in the know - I love the wording
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"Although there are no limits on the amount of alcohol and tobacco you can bring in from EU countries, customs officials are more likely to ask you questions if you have more than the following:"
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/arriving/arrivingeu.htm

If our goverment played fair ball: they'd actually gain MORE tobacco sales in the long run.

Amber Leaf baccy - was being sold on a promo - 1kg with free 1/2 bottle of vodka ! :D Superb!

Pyramid* 06-04-2012 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 5064635)
Sure
But Stinking Smokers can Die in Horrid Pain
Coughing up Blood etc.


True - but many other non smoking related illnesses cause many people to die in horrid pain and far worse things that coughing up blood.

You pays your money: you takes your chance.

I'd far rather the smell of a smoker than someone with a leaking colostomy bag - maybe I'm fussy that way. :blush2:

Me. I Am Salman 06-04-2012 11:27 AM

This is all stupid, it just diverts attention towards them more

Vicky. 06-04-2012 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 5064642)
Vicky - is mum aware of the new rules that came into force 1st October? Just tell her to be aware - it's a very badly worded ruling which basically is worded to put the frighteners on travellers - a few of my friends bottled it but as long as it can be justified as own use - no issue - but if she's unaware - might be worthwhile ensuring she's in the know - I love the wording


http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/arriving/arrivingeu.htm

If our goverment played fair ball: they'd actually gain MORE tobacco sales in the long run.

Amber Leaf baccy - was being sold on a promo - 1kg with free 1/2 bottle of vodka ! :D Superb!

Oh. I dont know if shes aware, might give her a ring later. I didnt know there was no limit now, and neither does she...she thinks its still like 5k a person or whatever it was (has told my brothers friend to bring a massive suitcase even if he doesnt need it, and told my dad and brother they need one each instead of sharing :laugh: )

Edit oh, 3.2k it looks like it was. LOL at them trying to stop people bringing more than 800 :joker:

Barbie 06-04-2012 11:31 AM

I don't know anyone who smokes because of the so called "colourful packaging" that statement is just ridiculous!

I cant see it making much difference, i can actually see it encouraging young people to smoke, when you are a teen alot is about defiance and now these forbidden hidden behind the doors cigarettes are going to be desired.

For example since i was young alcohol has always been around in small quantities as just a drink, a little bit of shandy or a sip of grandads beer was normal so for me alcohol has never been this massive thing and its there but you don't go silly, those that get hold of it who haven't had much to do with it and see it as a big deal and rebelling against parents go crazy and end up paraletic.
I can only see young people have more desire to get to what is behind the doors rather than just being oblivious, lets face it everyone knows about smoking.

Pyramid* 06-04-2012 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Salman! (Post 5064647)
This is all stupid, it just diverts attention towards them more

Of course it's stupid. The wee buggar that's in all of us at times; when someone tells you NOT to do something or that you can't have something: that's when it makes you all the more curious. The one guaranteed way for me to try something out when I was younger was to tell me 'No...'. :devil:

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 5064648)
Oh. I dont know if shes aware, might give her a ring later. I didnt know there was no limit now, and neither does she...she thinks its still like 5k a person or whatever it was (has told my brothers friend to bring a massive suitcase even if he doesnt need it, and told my dad and brother they need one each instead of sharing :laugh: )


Friends of mine brought in a load of rolling tobacco and were asked if it was soley for them - which it was - and were actually asked if they could demonstrate by making a rollie..... :shocked: True.

But the crucial wording is the bit I bolded.... ;) - it's jus that they 'may' make it 'more likely' for you to be questioned - it's a frightener - nothing more. ;)

Vicky. 06-04-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 5064652)


Friends of mine brought in a load of rolling tobacco and were asked if it was soley for them - which it was - and were actually asked if they could demonstrate by making a rollie..... :shocked: True.

But the crucial wording is the bit I bolded.... ;) - it's jus that they 'may' make it 'more likely' for you to be questioned - it's a frightener - nothing more. ;)

:laugh2:

Well if they do that to mum, dad can make rollies so thats fine

She would also probably say something about only being able to afford to go away once every 3 years or something (lies but they dont know that) to justify her huge haul. She doesnt get nervous around authority, like me :D

When me gav and his dad went to turkey, his dad brought back a lot more than we were meant to (you are only allowed 200 per person OR tobacco I think it is, he had about 4000 + loads of baccy) and he proper choked at the airport. They didnt search us but they asked how many ciggies he had. He went bright red and started stuttering so I said we had 200 each. They then asked about baccy to which I replied that the baccy out there was crap and snide, why would we want to smoke any of that crap...and I actually want a cig now after the 3+ hour journey so can they please leave me alone. It worked and they let us through :laugh:

InOne 06-04-2012 11:40 AM

I think I might move to one of the countries in Europe that just ignored the smoking ban :bored: They're chilling in a nice pub or cafe with a cig and we're made to feel like we're buying crack from the co-op

Sam:) 06-04-2012 11:43 AM

It seems that the majority of Tobacco laws come into Ireland a few years before they do in the UK.
We've had this law for maybe 2 years now...As many have already pointed out most shops use them big machines, but now they put ads for chocolate and shop offers on it.

joeysteele 06-04-2012 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 5064666)
I think I might move to one of the countries in Europe that just ignored the smoking ban :bored: They're chilling in a nice pub or cafe with a cig and we're made to feel like we're buying crack from the co-op

That InOne is a very strong and totally valid point, no one should be made to feel an outcast or that they are doing anything wrong when all they are doing is participating in something that is legal and also that they have had to pay for it too.

Vicky. 06-04-2012 11:48 AM

You know, my mum said a few months back...and I laughed at the time but it seems to be very true, that its more socially acceptable to snort a line of coke than it is to light a cigarette up.

She actually said this during a meeting at work about smoking (she works for the NHS :laugh: ) and the majority of people there..or so she said, after getting over how she dared say that infront of the bosses, agreed with her. And she has a point IMO.

InOne 06-04-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam:) (Post 5064669)
It seems that the majority of Tobacco laws come into Ireland a few years before they do in the UK.
We've had this law for maybe 2 years now...As many have already pointed out most shops use them big machines, but now they put ads for chocolate and shop offers on it.

You were the first country in the world to have an outright Smoking ban. 2004 I think

Kizzy 06-04-2012 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 5064652)
Of course it's stupid. The wee buggar that's in all of us at times; when someone tells you NOT to do something or that you can't have something: that's when it makes you all the more curious. The one guaranteed way for me to try something out when I was younger was to tell me 'No...'. :devil:




Friends of mine brought in a load of rolling tobacco and were asked if it was soley for them - which it was - and were actually asked if they could demonstrate by making a rollie..... :shocked: True.

But the crucial wording is the bit I bolded.... ;) - it's jus that they 'may' make it 'more likely' for you to be questioned - it's a frightener - nothing more. ;)

Hello! :) ... As an ex smoker I am for the ban, it was harder trying to quit when they seemed to be everywhere! haha. In the queue at the lottery terminal they mock you ...hide them I say.

Jesus. 06-04-2012 12:04 PM

It just reeks of trying to sweep a problem under the carpet. Out of sight, out of mind, when in reality, most young people don't start smoking because they can see cigarettes in the supermarket.

Kizzy 06-04-2012 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 5064629)
Are there any parents (who don't smoke) who have a view on this?

Yes me, my 'angels' emotionally blackmailed me into stopping ....
So I told them if they ever start I will start again too and make damn sure it kills me....Fear is healthy :devil:

arista 06-04-2012 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5064697)
It just reeks of trying to sweep a problem under the carpet. Out of sight, out of mind, when in reality, most young people don't start smoking because they can see cigarettes in the supermarket.



Yes
But by getting them Out of View,
the Younger Kids Grow up
not viewing Stinking Fag Packs.


It works in Canada.



Sign Of The Times.

Jesus. 06-04-2012 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 5064780)
Yes
But by getting them Out of View,
the Younger Kids Grow up
not viewing Stinking Fag Packs.


It works in Canada.



Sign Of The Times.

Smoking is not an advertising problem, it's a societal problem. There are lots of things I've grown up seeing on supermarket shelves that I've never felt the inclination to try.

bbfan1991 06-04-2012 12:53 PM

Good idea this is:D;).

Pyramid* 06-04-2012 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 5064666)
I think I might move to one of the countries in Europe that just ignored the smoking ban :bored: They're chilling in a nice pub or cafe with a cig and we're made to feel like we're buying crack from the co-op

that's the bit that pisses me off big time. Smokers have been harrassed for years now - most of where we smoke is so restricted that enough is enough. If you don't like my fag smoke - then walk away - no one is tying or has superglued your feet to that spot if the wind is blowing it in your direction.

viva la revolution.

Pyramid* 06-04-2012 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5064683)
Hello! :) ... As an ex smoker I am for the ban, it was harder trying to quit when they seemed to be everywhere! haha. In the queue at the lottery terminal they mock you ...hide them I say.


*lights up fag and casually blows smoke in Kizzy's direction*

:devil:

good for you on giving up - I should for health reasons but ach....... it's one of my few vices.

Perhaps I'll try prostitution when the fags have completely knacked my lungs and it's all I can do to lay down............ see - always have a back up plan ! :D

Jesus. 06-04-2012 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 5064787)
that's the bit that pisses me off big time. Smokers have been harrassed for years now - most of where we smoke is so restricted that enough is enough. If you don't like my fag smoke - then walk away - no one is tying or has superglued your feet to that spot if the wind is blowing it in your direction.

viva la revolution.

That's like riding a motorbike on the pavement and telling pedestrians they can get out of the way if they don't want to be run over.

Livia 06-04-2012 12:57 PM

Well, not being on display doesn't seem to have decreased the uptake of other drugs. I've never see cocaine or heroin on display, or a prettily packaged bag of weed... and yet people still get into it.

Jesus. 06-04-2012 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 5064789)
*lights up fag and casually blows smoke in Kizzy's direction*

:devil:

good for you on giving up - I should for health reasons but ach....... it's one of my few vices.

Perhaps I'll try prostitution when the fags have completely knacked my lungs and it's all I can do to lay down............ see - always have a back up plan ! :D

Or a plan for "up your back" :joker:

bbfan1991 06-04-2012 12:59 PM

Alcohol will need hiding too at this rate, although that will not stop the determined alcoholics because they will just go round to the pub or get booze off someone they know...

joeysteele 06-04-2012 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5064793)
Well, not being on display doesn't seem to have decreased the uptake of other drugs. I've never see cocaine or heroin on display, or a prettily packaged bag of weed... and yet people still get into it.

Another excellent point.

Boothy 06-04-2012 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5064793)
Well, not being on display doesn't seem to have decreased the uptake of other drugs. I've never see cocaine or heroin on display, or a prettily packaged bag of weed... and yet people still get into it.

Great point, this.

The more I think about it, the more stupid it becomes.

Smithy 06-04-2012 01:09 PM

I really don't get the fuss, if you smoke and you're gonna carry on smoking whats the problem :conf2:

Pyramid* 06-04-2012 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5064790)
That's like riding a motorbike on the pavement and telling pedestrians they can get out of the way if they don't want to be run over.

Riding a motorbike on pavements is illegal.

Smoking outside is not.

I'd have thought that was more than obvious......


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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5064793)
Well, not being on display doesn't seem to have decreased the uptake of other drugs. I've never see cocaine or heroin on display, or a prettily packaged bag of weed... and yet people still get into it.

Absolutely. And part of the attraction is that little edge in knowing your doing something you really shouldn't be doing when rolling a spliff....... it add to the allure, to the fun of it all.

It's a fabulous move on the government's part - it's going to make it seem all so surrepticious, something bad to be doing - so bad that it's cool ..... and all the while, they rake in the tax and revenue. Not so daft our politicians....not so daft at all. ;)

Livia 06-04-2012 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 5064821)
Riding a motorbike on pavements is illegal.


Absolutely. And part of the attraction is that little edge in knowing your doing something you really shouldn't be doing when rolling a spliff....... it add to the allure, to the fun of it all.

It's a fabulous move on the government's part - it's going to make it seem all so surrepticious, something bad to be doing - so bad that it's cool ..... and all the while, they rake in the tax and revenue. Not so daft our politicians....not so daft at all. ;)

I have no idea what you're talking about, obviously....................

arista 06-04-2012 01:31 PM

so called "colourful packaging"



Its about tots growing up
this Works in Canada

Kizzy 06-04-2012 01:40 PM

It may or may not work, I dont buy into the conspiracy theory side of it, maybe the thinking is 'out of sight out of mind?'
It will as I said really help those who have stopped not to be tempted, as I don't think the urge ever really goes away....Not compleatly, as you can associate smoking with good times.

bananarama 08-04-2012 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 5064524)
I have never seen anything more ridicuous as to this regulation to shops and stores, your attention is immediately drawn to the fact they have these sliding doors in place, this regulation is going to likely create the effect if it's wrong to be displaying them and selling them then younger people may want them.

However, the ASDA store where I am, also has hidden smoking related items like lighters etc, which is even more bonkers.

I have rarely seen queues like I have over recent weeks at the cigarette counters there, furthermore since cigarettes went up in the budget, people seem to be buying packs of 100s or 200s to save a bit of the rise in price.

Incredible that smokers are being inconvenienced for this daft Govt ruling, but alcohol in Stores is just about poured down your throat,with displays all over from entering the store and even displays at the top of the confectionery aisles too.
Alcohol can do as much if not worse harm to the body as cigarettes,yet children see adults piling alcohol into trollies juslt like its general shopping.

Total hypocrisy from a far more interfering Govt than the last one even was now. I don't smoke,never have, never will, I however think this is pathetic.

Should people stop smoking or cut down bigtime then the Govt would be in panic at the lost massive income it gets from cigarettes and tobacco.
Watching the staff having to slide these panels backwards and forwards with a queue of something like 20+ people waiting to be served is something I wouldn't expect to see in Stores supposedly open for business.

Bonkers, is the only appropriate word for this ruling by this now fast becoming totally incompetent/too interfering coalition Govt.


I am also a none smoker and would love to see the end of people being ridiculous by impersonating a walking chimny pot and potentially slowly killing themselves and others.

However I agree governments of all shades not just this mad coalition mob aproach to smoking is as you say "bonkers" and hypocritical.

Hiding them behind closed doors and then having in huge letters the name of the product behind those closed doors is hardly hiding them from view. bonkers bonkers and bonkers again. Can't say it too many times.

If smoking is so dangerous (and it is) (yet its legal) Then the product as a whole should be banned from being sold and manufactured.......Addicts should get it on prescription only while being treated for the addiction.

Its claimed the government would lose out on tax revenue. Yea but look what they would save on the health service and people would still spend their mony on other taxable items along with more money being used to buy goods and encourage growth instead of money being burned on smoking cancer sticks.

As a nation I think we would be better off if smoking was no more in many more ways than one.

Same with drug takers sqandering money on false personality creating chemistry and in turn supporting terrorists and criminals in their evil activities.....


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