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Jack_ 29-05-2012 12:11 PM

Very sad news. RIP.

I await however the barrage of inevitable comments demanding we bring back the death penalty, stone them, torture them, and a whole load of other odd, detailed descriptions of what should happen to the two responsible. I can see they've started already.

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 5143068)
While I defend your right to hold that view and I used to myself until recently.
What on earth though could this 94 year old do to defend herself at all, possibly it seems against 2 much younger people too.

They are not people who can do this to a frail 94 year old, maybe the lady doesn't have a great deal of time left as to life, it's actually a wonder she has survived this barbaric attack on her.

Those who did it though will firstly not get life sentences anyway,unless the lady loses her life,also they will have the rest of their lives,still some with freedom to come as well.

It is hardly any wonder that more and more people would advocate bringing back capital punishment for 'some' crimes with very strict criteria as to it, however I would dare bet that in a refendum on this issue would get at least 70% to 80% support for it.

1) The system screams hypocrisy. It's wrong to kill someone, so as punishment...we're...going to kill you. Pretty dumb.

2) It's built upon a false sense of justice and 'revenge'. Very scary when people are so desperate for blood.

3) I don't actually think it's 'punishment' at all. Surely spending many years, if not your whole life in prison is worse than being killed in a matter of minutes?

4) It's completely uncivilised and we bring ourselves down to those who commit these foul crimes.

5) It promotes and endorses murder. If the state itself is doing it then whom are citizens supposed to 'look up' to?

There's more reasons for keeping it abolished than there are for bringing it back. It solves nothing and only leads to people baying for blood.

bbfan1991 29-05-2012 12:19 PM

I agree Jack, I do not agree with the death penalty either, some criminals would see it as an easy way out to escape their crimes as they would no longer be here and I think they would be better off rotting in jail thinking of the consequences of their actions or suffering.

The danger if the death penalty were to be brought back is innocent people getting wrongly convicted of a crime they did not do and then they are put to death, things like this have happened in America and it is too late once new evidence has been uncovered to save the innocent party and put the guilty one in jail, or even using the death penalty like some states there have.

Niamh. 29-05-2012 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 5160186)
Very sad news. RIP.

I await however the barrage of inevitable comments demanding we bring back the death penalty, stone them, torture them, and a whole load of other odd, detailed descriptions of what should happen to the two responsible. I can see they've started already.



1) The system screams hypocrisy. It's wrong to kill someone, so as punishment...we're...going to kill you. Pretty dumb.

2) It's built upon a false sense of justice and 'revenge'. Very scary when people are so desperate for blood.

3) I don't actually think it's 'punishment' at all. Surely spending many years, if not your whole life in prison is worse than being killed in a matter of minutes?

4) It's completely uncivilised and we bring ourselves down to those who commit these foul crimes.

5) It promotes and endorses murder. If the state itself is doing it then whom are citizens supposed to 'look up' to?

There's more reasons for keeping it abolished than there are for bringing it back. It solves nothing and only leads to people baying for blood.

I agree with this but the problem is sentencing is never long enough. For a crime like this I believe those responsible should never have the luxury of stepping back into society again, they don't deserve it.

Pyramid* 29-05-2012 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 5160186)
Very sad news. RIP.

I await however the barrage of inevitable comments demanding we bring back the death penalty, stone them, torture them, and a whole load of other odd, detailed descriptions of what should happen to the two responsible. I can see they've started already.



1) The system screams hypocrisy. It's wrong to kill someone, so as punishment...we're...going to kill you. Pretty dumb.

2) It's built upon a false sense of justice and 'revenge'. Very scary when people are so desperate for blood.

3) I don't actually think it's 'punishment' at all. Surely spending many years, if not your whole life in prison is worse than being killed in a matter of minutes?

4) It's completely uncivilised and we bring ourselves down to those who commit these foul crimes.

5) It promotes and endorses murder. If the state itself is doing it then whom are citizens supposed to 'look up' to?

There's more reasons for keeping it abolished than there are for bringing it back. It solves nothing and only leads to people baying for blood.


Totally understand where you are coming from Jack: with the thought that it is either right or wrong to kill someone - I totally understand.

My thought process is that there is a difference in mindfully killing someone for personal gain, for sexual pleasure whatever: and ending someone's life because that is their punishment for taking an innocent's life

That's possibley the only way I can think of right now to put over how I view the difference.

I know there are the ''eye for an eye'' school of thought, vs the ''two wrongs don't make a right'' school of thought.

In cases such as this: where there is a victim and it is proven beyond all doubt: I am def in for punishment by death. Moreso because I would rather see the taxpayers money be used for more benefitting people: rather than keep such murderers fed, clothed, housed, regardless of their loss of freedom. A freedom that they took from an innocent person. I'd rather the monies went to the survivors of such victms and other far better uses than keeping scum like this alive.

Harsh, but that's my own thoughts.

joeysteele 29-05-2012 02:01 PM

II am not a bloodthirsty person who would glory in seeing people put to death if there were capital punishment in the UK but there isn't, also likely never to be again anyway but if there was,then all people had to do to avoid it was 'not' kill someone else for no reason.

Whoever did this,should get full life sentences,for the rest of their lives not a sentence where they may get out in 15 to 20 years time.

What a way for this Woman to lose her life, 94 years old,surviving a war, a Mother, a Grandmother, minding her own business in her own home and then some truly rotten individual/s come along and destroy that life.

Emotive,I certainly am,yet these people will, as has been said above, be fed, watch TV,get access to exercise and recreation,may even get to use a gym, will have access to phones and family and friends will be able to visit them and talk to them,even get to use modern technology,all for free, the only difference is,they will have their liberty taken away from them.

If they at least don't get that liberty taken away for the rest of their miserable,rotten lives then any punishment will be a total disgrace and nowhere near justice for this lady either.

Kizzy 29-05-2012 02:10 PM

Well said joey, I wonder just hypothetically if a 'murderers only' prison would work...
With reduced facilities other than the endless contemplation of their actions for life?

Niamh. 29-05-2012 02:11 PM

Well said Joey

Niamh. 29-05-2012 02:11 PM

lol snap Kizzy

arista 29-05-2012 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5160305)
Well said joey, I wonder just hypothetically if a 'murderers only' prison would work...
With reduced facilities other than the endless contemplation of their actions for life?


No

Marsh. 29-05-2012 02:13 PM

Just disgusting. Horrible that someone could live to such a great age and then to die in this manner. Crazy.

Kizzy 29-05-2012 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 5160310)
No

You disagree arista...Why is that, care to expand.. maybe even form a sentence?...Go on...you know you want to ;)

arista 29-05-2012 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5160317)
You disagree arista...Why is that, care to expand.. maybe even form a sentence?...Go on...you know you want to ;)


It would be a Blood Bath
War Zone .

America did that
and stopped it.

Kizzy 29-05-2012 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 5160333)
It would be a Blood Bath
War Zone .

America did that
and stopped it.

Well that was there...And this is here.
It would work. Prisons could be representative of their inmates...
Kill someone go to jail, not the nice jail with tea and cake....the 'other' one....

arista 29-05-2012 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5160357)
Well that was there...And this is here.
It would work. Prisons could be representative of their inmates...
Kill someone go to jail, not the nice jail with tea and cake....the 'other' one....


No

Kizzy 29-05-2012 02:52 PM

yes!

joeysteele 29-05-2012 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5160305)
Well said joey, I wonder just hypothetically if a 'murderers only' prison would work...
With reduced facilities other than the endless contemplation of their actions for life?

Maybe, I do like the reduced facilities point definately.

The one good thing is,if there is any good thing in this horrific crime, that whoever did this will likely get a hard time from other Prisoners, who ironically have no sympathy for Child harmers/murderers,rapists and those who harm the real elderly too.
I hope when they are caught,when they are tried and sentenced that what they did gets all round the prison they go to.

Pyramid* 29-05-2012 07:07 PM

Reduced facilities would never work - due to the over jealous Human Rights Brigade banging on about rehabilitation etc.

Kizzy 29-05-2012 07:17 PM

I never said that would not be available... in fact I insist that they address what they had done every day...

joeysteele 29-05-2012 07:26 PM

I watched the news tonight,as they showed a picture of this Lady when she was younger and then one how these cowards left her and her in intensive care in hospital, the thought came to my mind that this was her last picture of her long life being that one,I just felt so sad and numbed,what gross, sick and truly rotten people to have done that to her.


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