Agreed. I felt sorry for the two of them on LF last night. It felt like the end of something to see them drift apart like they did last night- obviously there was nothing there to start with but the way they played it was so sad. I hope Callum nominates Charlie next week but I think he still thinks he's got a chance.

I doubt that very much, if someone makes your skin crawl you don't keep getting close, cuddling them etc.

Right give it a rest you 2 or I'm banning both of you, I have already removed a few posts in here.

don't know if I'd say she stabbed him in the back, she doesn't owe him anything I don't think. I do think she has lead both him and Dexter on but if I were her I think I would have had to nominate Callum too, he's far too intense for me. Is she gameplaying? So what if she is, its a game that is there to be played, its not real life and will be all over very soon

It was and she talks for England trying to justify everything she does, this isn't just one incident either ... her reaction to the 'aggressive' comment, the daley thing, upsetting gina on several occasions... she spews copious amounts of word vomit and flips every situation so that she becomes the injured party. :conf:

4 times.... and then twisted the knife for good measure.

She knows she stabbed him in the back which is why she started trying to cover her tracks the second she saw it come up saying they only show the bad quips and nothing good. She sucked up while trying to explain herself all the while saying how she adored him. She acted bothered when he wouldn't hug her back...

And then the second he went off to the diary room she twisted the knife by going straight to Dexter to discuss the conversation she had just had with Callum.

Absolute shame any of them think they might have a real friendship with the likes of her.

That's a fair point actually. She has nommed him without knowing those poll results. I remember at the time thinking though that she was maybe just jumping on the bandwagon with the rest of the house as he seemed to be very unpopular and he was just an easy nom to give.

[She nominated Dexter twice at the start too probably until she copped the public would keep saving him. I think she copped that long before a lot of the housemates tbh because she suddenly 'loved' Dex and Gina after they had been saved repeatedly.]

I thought this way because she still always remained very friendly with him so it just seemed like a cop out to be nominating a supposed friend, and felt she just did it because he was maybe an easy target. I wasn't aware of how much she genuinely seems to dislike him.



I do think the public popularity polls have had an effect though. They are now on the final stretch of the gameshow - next week is the quarter-finals so the real players should be upping their game now.
Gina the girl who was up every single week of the show was voted public's most popular and all of a sudden did not receive one single nomination this week.

Even if I'm wrong about her voting being anything to do with lineup, which I could be. I still think she plays him. I've wrote in another thread already about why I feel this way. It's mainly to with her always telling him how much she adores him and their chats when really she seems to actually dislike him a lot. It's one thing to tell him she is not interested romantically which is fair enough, but if she dislikes him so much as a person that she repeatedly nominates him and doesn't want to stay in contact with him outside, then why keep bloody saying things like , "i love you to pieces', and giving him really long close cuddles, and 'i adore our chats'. Just bugs me. :mad:

Dexter said to Hazel a couple of days ago that Charlie said Callum makes her skin crawl.

Which just proves she's 2 faced and trying to keep both him and Callum sweet.

She's playing both of them like a fiddle to get herself further in the game.

Trash-talking? Lol! ;)

I think she does like Dexter. He treats her with respect and they have things in common.

Right, because Dexter said it it must be true then?

Did we hear her say it?

Ok I'm watching L/F atm I'm sorry but If I was Charlie that conversation would just confirm that I made the right choice. Callum is a strange bunny, I would have just told him to piss off lol

Im sure Jackie Travers will be glad to know he wants to bed her on the outside

Maybe he could do mother and daughter as they both seem to like him so much

Not sure how that would go with a guy who has the body of a 10yr old boy but if it gets Charlie a record contract lol

Me too. Who the hell does he think he is? It's almost like she has to ask him permission to do anythting. :crazy:

To be fair, iIn that convo they were both trying to look like the victim. Callum took it way too far, as usual, and came off as creepy but Charlie tries to guilt Callum a few times

I'm not all the way through it yet

Lmao Niamh. Watch all of it first babe.
Before you slate coach.

Its quite compelling yet funny in equal measures. :joker:

Which is exactly how she should have dealt with it in the first place, once she realised that she no longer wanted to lay all over him getting massaged (for the first 3 weeks)
Instead she goes into her long inane chats about what she feels and none of it is ever clear and just leaves the situation stewing
Callum is an obsessive idiot, but if she had given him the clear brush off in the beginning, instead of being worried about him putting her up, this would all be old news by now

She is a player and I dont like her

As for her liking Dexter, if you think Callum is creepy, OMG Dexter has a childs body with a mans head on it, yuk, creepy & grotesque. I have two teenage sons and that would just seem very very wrong

Like sleeping with a munckin, its just something you should never do

She has nominated Callum the last 3 times saying she nom'd him purely because of the poll is a weak argument.

I think she has no interest in Dexter at all and she will never go near him or Callum when they leave the house.

alright alright :laugh:

aaarrrgghhh why did they cut the bit about the Tanning girls???

This X a billion

+1 :D

+2

-1

She will... She is trying to break back into showbiz of course she will be stuck to him like her 'pagent mom' wants her to be, for the media attention and the contacts dexter has ... but not for any romantic of friendship reason.

I agree, except she will see Dexter for awhile - just long enough to suss if he really does have contacts who might help her get a record deal or if he really is rich and could show her a good time and get her publicity in the process.

Sorry I'm in a very cynical mood today. :p

That shouldn't take more than a hour or two once she's left the house.

Lol! :D

True.:laugh:

She had every right to nominate him. He has no 'right' to her loyalty. She has told him countless times that she isn't interested in him in a romantic way.

But why not give that as the reason for nomination?

he has no right to expect her not to nominate him because of some romatic attachment, or because he has any rights at all.

He does, however have the right to feel betrayed.

As much as she has pushed him away, she pulled him towards. To his face, she says she is not interested in romance, but at the same time continually tells him she values supprt and companionship in the house. As much as it frustrates her that he jumps in to the end of her sentence and puts words into his mouth, she nevertheless seeks him out for deep conversations and tells him that she loves them. As much as she may dislike his wandering hands overstepping the boundaries of her personal space, she nevertheless gives every impression of enjoying his massages.

It is absolutely her right to set those personal boundaries in such a way that she is comfortable. She has every right to say this far and no further and expect that to be listened to. That she enjoys his massages sometimes does not mean she has to enjoy his caresses at all times. In giving permission to put his hands on her once, she has not given blanket permission thereafter.

But: as everybody in that house, including her, have identified, Callum does not seem to read social situations well. It cannot be anything but clear to her that with this man the signals have to be absolutely clear. Instead, she has sent mixed signals in all sorts of ways. She has been very clear that she doesn't have any romantic interest in him, but she has muddied the water when it comes to setting the parameters of their interactions and the extent or depth of the friendship that may be possible between them.

She has also consistently played with the fact that Callum and Dex see themselves as rivals for her affection. In her defence, a lot of that seems to be whilst drunk, but it heightens the situation.

Intentionally or not she has played with both of their affections. She clearly finds it frustrating and thrilling in equal measure that both men are courting her and combating each other for her attention.

What she has done isn't so terrible. She, like most of the people in the house, is young and still figuring out who she is. Being adored is a powerful thin and I cannot truly say as a young woman I wouldn't have been slightly thrilled by the idea of it, if not the actuality. But this is leading her to send mixed signals. And for someone like Callum that is clearly a very confusing thing.

So: whilst she had every right to nominate him, and he has no right to assume that she won't, it is still a betrayal of someone whose affections she has at times delighted in, and who has done her no harm. She could have talked to him in more open and frank terms about him touching her, and invading her personal space. She could have refused the massages and cuddles and tried to forge a less physically charged friendship. She could have steered the conversation away from herself during his stints as self-appointed Charlie counsellor, for example, by turning the questions to him. She could have asked him questions about his life, about how he felt, about his experiences. She could have steered the conversations towards other interests, lightened the tone.

Callum's confusion, and I really think it is confusion, was easily avoided. But it has been useful to her. Whatever else he is, Callum has been her supporter. And she has called on that support many times.

Had these been face to face nominations I very much doubt Callum would have been one of her choices.

Great post Dana, you have swayed me a bit I have to say

:joker:

I dislike her intently now, she has had a bye to the final few weeks due to the fact that she kept up two relationships, now she thinks she doesnt need Callum anymore, she cuts him loose

I would love her to get kicked out before final night but Im running out of evictions for people I dont like lol

Only 4 weeks to go and I hate 5 lol

well said Dana, its very easy to get someone to stop touching you, just tell them to STOP touching you!

Well, looks like Charlie's game plan is working. Both her house "boyfriends" are up and so is Hazel.

I am suspicious of the friendship between Charlie 'I know how Daley must've felt' Travers and Hazel, actually. ;)

Could Charlie be the most effective game player in there?

Neither of them really like each other at all, the only reason they came together was because Hazel dumped Dan when she thought she could have a 'story' with Daley, then Charlie and her Mum became Dans bezzies

When Hazel got her just desserts, she came running back to Dan andn had to put up with the fact that Charlie was there, and Charlie had to put up with her

There is no love lost there

..that's a very well thought out post Dana and I do agree with it mostly but I also think that Charlie is equally as socially inept and she could have done things differently/handled it differently in an 'ideal world' but I don't think she's any more capable of doing that as Callum is, so it's ended up with her feeling not comfortable in some way and not communicating that properly and him being very hurt by what he sees as a 'betrayal' and not being able to understand her nomination...it's just two people with very poor communication skills....whether she would have nominated him face to face, we'll never know unless they both get that opportunity in the future...