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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 6404731)

I hear that the Tories are going to force the long term unemployed to do work so they can earn their benefit ...??? They are going to force these people either to sign on every day or pick up litter clean the riverbanks etc.

This is so spiteful it almost beggars belief, the only group of people who have to carry out this sort of work are convicted criminals doing community service, so now the long term unemployed are being criminalised...!!!

There must be a more constructive way to help the LT unemployed not to just humiliate them in this way. The Tory party can rot and burn in hell as far as I'm concerned, a party of the rich for the rich, while the rest of us can just go and fcuk ourselves...!!!

That's not true that the only group of people to do this kind of work are those on community payback, there have always been street/parks/waterway cleaners and litter pickers.
It's a dirty, thankless and sometimes dangerous job but it's a necessary one and one worthy of a decent wage.
What is happening is effectively the deconstruction of the 'ordered society' that was the dream of post war Britain. It's going back to enslaving the impoverished masses to the landowners and greedy landlords.
Rats on a wheel going nowhere, slowly.

Boris Johnson is Live on TV News

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6404435)

If there aren't jobs around at this time why are you assuming that people who can't find jobs are slackers...as opposed to people who cannot find jobs because there aren't any around at this time?

If cleaning a river is better than slacking, why not pay people to do it?

If the rivers need cleaning...and there is a pool of unemployed people to do the job - then pay them a fair wage to do it.

God it's so ****ing depressing. We are voluntarily and with eyes wide open removing all the safety nets and systems put in place across several generations. And the class that most need them (maybe not this moment, but life can throw a spanner in the works at any time) are baying for more cuts.

None of this is in the interests of the country as a whole. It benefits the employer class only. That's it. If there are no safety nets in place, if the idea of being out of work is so horrifying and scary that it keeps you awake at night, then you will suck it up when your boss treats you like ****. You'll take every deprivation, every zero hour contract, every pay freeze, every unpaid hour of overtime, every employer abuse and stay silent. No strikes, no standing up for yourself, no agitating for better conditions.

The tory dream has nothing to do with making this country better for the masses. Anybody with an income below £100k per year and without property, stocks and shares who votes for this **** is just a turkey voting for Christmas.

But ohhhhhh no. No, we can't bear the unfairness of our tax money paying for shirkers and skivers and curtain tuggers, and single mums and families who decided to have too many children. Oh how unfair, we rail. How unfair. I have to work and I can't have a big house for me andmy two children so why should they have a big house for their six? And how unfair that I have to work and pay tax so that they don't have to.

Jesus ****ing christ people, are we really buying this **** all over again? My God, these same arguments were dragged out over the Poor Tax and the workhouses. Exactly the same. Practically word for word.

I really want to smash something. Or I want to cry. This stuff doesn't just depress me it frightens me. I've spent time unemployed. I may do again. I don't own property, I rent. I have no savings, never had a stable enough income to gather anything together. And my health is intermittently awful. Mum's on a state pension (the lowest kind, as one of that generation of women who ended up on a shared pension with hubby for years before they got divorced), topped up by credits and housing benefits. How long til they shaft her?

I hate them. I hate them so much. And here we are again, with the opinion polls showing support from the working classes for benefit cuts and harsh penalties. Buying the goddamned lie again.

None of this will save the country money. There's the irony. It will, as usual, cost the tax payer more to be cruel than it ever did to be kind.

[eta] It wasn't even the unemployed who broke this country. It wasn't benefits that put us in this situation.

I agree with all of this, it scares me. for now, I'm employed and we do fine month to month, but we rent, own no property, have no savings... it's a precarious situation no matter how secure your current income is. We have very little to inherit, too. My parents owned a gorgeous detatched 4 bedroom house - then they got divorced when I was 18, sold up, and blew the money on nothing at all so now they both rent :rolleyes:. My partners parents own their nice home too but they had her young: they could easily still be alive when we're 70.

I'm pushing 30, which I know is still young, but I worry that if I don't own property in the next 7 years (by 35), the way things are going, we never will and that scares me looking to the future. There is absolutely no security at all, for normal working families, let alone those who need more help.

I don't get it, what is that?

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6404794)

I don't get it, what is that?

Steve Bell the artists
view of yesterdays speech
from the Guardian Paper.

its dark humor.

Very good, what does it mean then?

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6404807)

Very good, what does it mean then?

"George Osborne used his speech at the 2013
Conservative party conference to announce
that a Tory government would seek to run
an overall budget surplus by 2020"

http://www.theguardian.com/cartoons/archive

A Cartoon Vision of the Future

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 6404328)

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Sad reality of this...

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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 6404731)

I hear that the Tories are going to force the long term unemployed to do work so they can earn their benefit ...??? They are going to force these people either to sign on every day or pick up litter clean the riverbanks etc.

This is so spiteful it almost beggars belief, the only group of people who have to carry out this sort of work are convicted criminals doing community service, so now the long term unemployed are being criminalised...!!!

There must be a more constructive way to help the LT unemployed not to just humiliate them in this way. The Tory party can rot and burn in hell as far as I'm concerned, a party of the rich for the rich, while the rest of us can just go and fcuk ourselves...!!!

..it isn’t though Nedussa, for me Vicky’s post sums it up perfectly because there are two lots of ‘victims’ here...people are employed to clear river banks, pick up litter etc and probably don’t get paid very much at all and may hate what they’re doing for all we know but have no choice but to do it with financial commitments etc...and for me there are two issues I have with that..one is that..(and no offense..) ..they are seeing and hearing words like ‘humiliating, degrading..etc’ attached to the job that they are doing, which is as valid and necessary as any other job...so how worthless does that make them feel...they don’t deserve to have what they do described as humiliating etc or ‘less than..’..so for me that is an issue....

..but also to add to that feeling of low self-worth that the criticism of this could cause them...they have to face fears that they won’t even have that job at all but will lose it because of the scheme and then themselves be someone having to claim benefits and as Vicky’s post so rightly says, end up doing the same job again just to receive their benefits which is less than their present wage....just crazy really...a screwed up ‘solution’ because it’s no solution at all...but I do think that the unemployed aren’t the only victims here because some people might feel that they would rather do any job than claim benefits and yet being forced to claim benefits is exactly what the result might be...targeting people on a low wage to help people on no wage can’t ever be a solution or one that should even be considered at all....

I couldn't take Boris seriously at all at the conference today, in fact it was as if he was drunk.
Just rambling on and on with utter nonsense.

This is actually a very poor conference.

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 6404986)

To be fair, I don't think people think doing the job for a fair wage is what's degrading or humiliating, it's being dressed up in a high visibility jacket and sent out to do it for the equivalent of £2.50 an hour that's degrading. Pretty much any job paying £2.50 an hour is degrading.

Also the people doing this job currently aren't even particularly low earners in most areas. They'll for the mostpart be council employees, and can be earning £10 - £12 or more per hour (as well as getting double time Sundays, paid bank holidays off, all the other things that anyone in the private sector saw sailing off into the sunset years ago). That's not to say that they shouldn't be earning that wage; it's a FAIR wage, and one that means that these men probably have financial commitments that won't easily be covered if they lose that job, even if they DO find another full time job - because the replacement will no doubt be minimum-wage slog that barely covers the combined cost of housing, council tax and utility bills.

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 6405427)

I couldn't take Boris seriously at all at the conference today, in fact it was as if he was drunk.
Just rambling on and on with utter nonsense.

This is actually a very poor conference.

Todays was Great
attacks on fecking Labour
who left no money for the UK.

And not one word about UKIP

Well Done PM

****ing LOL at this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-working.html

Surely even IDS cant be THAT stupid?! :joker:

Job seekers doss about...job seekers secretly get paid for cash in hand jobs...which is it!?

would love to know how they see this is logistically possible/viable..they're going to need more JC's and ALOT more staff

Idiots

Is this what is eating that 550M they have 'reserved'?
Jeeeeze....

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 6406968)

Todays was Great
attacks on fecking Labour
who left no money for the UK.

And not one word about UKIP

Well Done PM

Labour must have left quite a bit of money really since this Govt has been able to squander so much on NHS across the board reforms, pay ATOS massive amounts to re-assess benefit claimants, continue to add to overseas aid and also to find vast sums for the involvement of the UK in Libya.

No doubt they would be able to have found a great deal more for any conflict as to Syria too had they got their way on that one too.

So it seems the coffers weren't bare after all and that was a 'con'.
They really must think the voters are thick.