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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 6591420) He indicated that being gay was the same as having a handicap that maybe could be fixed. No matter how it gets drressed up, he clearly sees gay people as ill in some warped way. That was the thrust of his justification of his opinion that people should not and need not be gay.

If he has been raised in a fundamental Christian family/church,this belief has probably been preached to him as a fact! To him it is a fact,no matter how abhorrent it is to the you or I?!?
His understanding of BB is debatable too! I don't think he realises that every conversation is picked up and/or broadcast!?!

Erm...I think my original post is very open minded and not one sided and was intended to get people to actually discuss it and not throw insults like the last one.

The post I see a forum member denying he said certain comments is just ridiculous.

Im all for freedom of speech and I wanted to hear more of the conversation to be honest I was genuinely interested in what he had to say.

Surely you must understand being compared to a handicap and saying we are wrong could cause insult?

Hes a devout Christian from a black community in America who are very passionate about the Bible to a point they seem slightly brainwashed by it.

I am not "wrong" or a "handicap" neither do I need to be fixed.

I think people are more angry because even though it was an apparent opinion he was preaching it and forcing his opinion as fact.

Heres some of the things he said, it wasn't really an *in my opinion I think....Which would have made it a lot better as the words he said WERE homophobic.

"That ain't normal"

"If you were born and your leg were turned this way - what would you do? You go to the doctor and get it fixed back right?"

"All I'm trying to tell you, you know how handicap people are born?"

"You can’t say because they are born that way you can’t move that..."

"Yes it is a choice,"

In regards to Luisa I don't think she didn't want to talk about it because he may get into trouble, I think she thinks it will put her in the firing line to face eviction as they are chained up together.

he didnt say its a handicap
also how would you like it if someone said youd been brainwashed to be gay? just as you say the Christian in the US seem to be brainwashed?
this works both ways

Yes it does work both ways

May I just say the people who are saying he's not an eloquent speaker are talking crap...

Firstly, just because you aren't very fluent in a language doesn't mean it's acceptable to speak about people in the way he did otherwise people would be using that as an excuse all the time.

Also, i'm sure he knows what handicapped and not normal means...he's not thick.

I think Luisa made very little effort to stop him! She knew it would be controversial,and get her some airtime,so she put in a "You can't say that" and a "I'm not comfortable with this",or words to that effect. If she had told him to shut it,as every whisper of conversation is brought up and he'll get himself into trouble,that would have been a proper effort!?!

but its ok to egenralize that all american Christians may be brainwashed? double standards

I thought she did anyway. I don't remember her exact words but I'm pretty sure she told him he should stop talking about it

Luisa was loving the camera time, she knew cameras would stay on the conversation,she half heartedly tried to stop him,but in a lame way

Agree totally

In a half-hearted way,imo! She's a bit sneaky and manipulative,which is great in the Apprentice,not so much in BB.

luissa created the entire situation then as usual played dumb and all innocent
shes lethally dangerous, in fact shes toxic

..I guess that in general their pairing seems quite awkward so maybe she was trying to do that but not really getting it right...

..I don't understand how Luisa created the situation of him saying what he did..?...he has full responsibility for that....

I didn't know her from before CBB so I'm still trying to form an opinion on her

Could be an interesting character though, sneaky and manipulative makes for good storylines :laugh:

You are on form today Truth ,agree with this too ,she wanted that camera on her no matter what ,so instead of stopping the convo stone dead ,she strung it along ,also knowing Evander is a very religious man,he could well have strong views on gay sex ,and she started the talk maybe to set him up, not my type of person

If you haven't seen the last series of The Apprentice,you should check it out! She's very manipulative,and good at playing innocent when it suits,which is ideal for the murky world of big business,but she'll take a few Celebrities down in BB,if they don't know her game!?!:devil:

as I said shes absolutely toxic

Being gay isn't a choice.

Being a Christian is.

As i pointed out last night ,sometimes being gay is a choice

again thats no less offensive that what evander said.
total judgemental assumptions stereotyping billions of people.
yet stereotyping and insulting groups of people is something you preach about/
totla hypocrisy
maybe its you whos been brainwashed?

Why would she set him up If she thought it would offend the public and they are both facing eviction?

The house are under the impression they being evicted in pairs and that is why she was telling him to stop. I don't think she expected the answer he gave would be so homophobic.

Fair point, can't disagree with you there. Although I do find "PC Britain" on TV very irritating. It gets to the point when shows like these aren't allowed to be natural. The constant warnings just make future contestants keep quiet and not express their views. I thought the who point of Big Brother is that it shows real people and different views.

Oh yes, religion of course is a factor. I was speaking more generally of today's society, rather than accounting religion in my post.

I didn't realise Evander was religious (just had a quick look). Knowing that now I think it makes the 'warning' by Big Brother even more of a joke.

I just watched the clip again for clarification. While they did not air an 'official' warning as such - he was pretty much warned in effect. Big Brother may as well have said "don't air your own views on here if they are different to those of sensitive groups in the UK"... and then I lead back to my PC Britain comment further up.

I understand C5 are protecting their brand but if so why bother airing it in the first place? Other than getting an article in the Daily Mail it seems pretty pointless. If anything it's insulting religious people.

I'm sure a few people could challenge you against that. Sometimes it can be a choice. Religion can be just as strong as sexuality too. Both are complex things, some people are born gay, some people are born believing in god. That makes neither a choice or forced upon you.

Why are people so opposed to him being warned? he deserved it for his homophobic comments.

Not at all I choose to be Christian, I did not choose to be gay.

How could I be brainwashed into being a homo if it was my choice hetro life would have been far easier for me.

I think daniels posts on this thread are far more discriminatory than anything evander said

clearly youre naive to luissa
his answer wasnt homophobic. youre views however on here are discriminatory bordering on bigoted

His answer was completely homophobic

Saying being gay isn't normal and comparing it to a disablility is homophobic, and he was rightfully warned and exposed to the public :)

I hope you don't mind me asking but are you gay?

Unless you are a homosexual then im sorry you cannot make a valid point as you do not know how it is to be gay.

We have feeling for the same sex as you would for the opposite and that's a powerful thing, its something that cannot be changed or forgotten about. You can pretend but it will allways be there.

imo Luisa didn't try to set him up...I genuinely thinks she really liked him until up to now. A lot of people wouldn't have even told him to stop tbh...they would of just let him. At the end of the day, whether she was being sneaky or not...she still didn't entirely leave him to fall, she said many times to stop.

you arent a Christian and you cant speak for all Christians just as you cant speak for all gay people. youre stereotyping people far far more than evander holyfield

The thing is he didn't even actually get a formal warning for it - BB just warned him that his language could be offensive. Compared to some of the warnings that housemates have got in the past...

I think you're looking at it in a very two-dimensional way. Clearly your sexuality came very 'natural' to you - so maybe you cannot understand that for a lot of sexes who are interested in the same sex it can often be far more complex than 'knowing' you are gay.

This has already been said to them a million times all they can reply is "you can't speak for every gay person" or you're being heterophobic. It's not even worth bothering.

You talk as if being gay is a burden ?

..hmm, I must admit that I only half paid attention to The Apprentice but I'll completely take your word about her 'manipulating skills..'..and that may be true in this case also..?...but it doesn't mean she's manipulative in every area of her life, so it could also just mean, she didn't quite know what to say or handle the situation correctly..?...

Luisa didn't string the conversation along, she tried too stop him from saying anything at all three times, as well as saying that they should have the conversation outside the house instead, she was very kind & actually tried saving Evander's popularity, rather than sit back & do nothing like most would have.

Also why else would Luisa want Evander too dig his grave when the celebrities were told they'd face eviction in their pairs, this further proves my earlier point of her trying too save Evander for either her own intentions too stay or too protect him, either way she is not at fault at all.

Jesus... some peoples lack of logic

His answers were homophobic.

Homophobia is an irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people and that's how he behaved. Calling someone wrong based on their sexuality is not acceptable and its a fact you can change you religion but you cannot change being gay.

Im gay and Christian so I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT.

You need to stop throwing insults, I am not a "bigot" my posts are based on both sides. Please read my original post.