Originally Posted by Josy (Post 6745899)

Everyone else doesn't just go home though, some people get so drunk when they are out at the weekends they end up coming up of clubs and pubs and lying in the street throwing up and this isn't just young people so these street angels could help get them into a taxi and home and then police don't need to waste precious time escorting them back to the stations for the night and then ending up charging them with a d&d, girls go out to a club wearing impossibly high heeled shoes and then when they are drunk can't walk on them so the flip flops idea is a pretty good one, saves them walking home barefoot and standing on glass, nails and who knows what else.

I don't agree with getting so messed up on alcohol that you can't look after yourself, get home etc but a lot of people do it every week so even though I still think like I posted previously that there are dangers involved in volunteering for this king of thing, it still is a pretty good idea to help people that are worse for wear.

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 6745903)

I'm amazed its something anyone would voluntarily do but fair play to them for it, even if you think its a bit silly so what really, not like people will be forced to take their help so I dont see the problem

Rather be accosted by a street angel than someone looking to stick me in the drunk tank :rant:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 6745904)

I dont really think the girls that you are alluding too will be happy wearing flip flops when they are pissed and coming out of a club nor do I think that an untrained "street christian" should be trying to deal with mortally drunk men - that is a job for a pro and not some do-gooder.

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 6745903)

I'm amazed its something anyone would voluntarily do but fair play to them for it, even if you think its a bit silly so what really, not like people will be forced to take their help so I dont see the problem

Rather be accosted by a street angel than someone looking to stick me in the drunk tank :rant:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 6745922)

I think its bloody disgraceful that people cant just watch what they drink and end up in such a state that people like this are needed. Its not hard to stop, you know when you have had too much, so just...stop drinking instead of keep going til you pass out/vomit :shrug:

It sounds a decent enough idea but you wouldnt catch me dead doing this tbh. I work with drunks and know how damn nasty they can get in an instant. No way would I be doing it for free. No doubt you will get a massive headache if you knock one of them out when they go for you...its just not worth it

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 6745912)

Well I think you are wrong in those thoughts I'm afraid, and I'm pretty sure a lot of girls would be grateful for those flip flops rather than stumble home drunk in bare feet walking on who knows what.

And referring to them as untrained street Christians is ridiculous, they are probably shown how to deal with the more common scenarios before going out onto the street and you don't have to be a Christian to volunteer as I'm sure you are perfectly aware since it's already been pointed out in the thread.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6745925)

yes but the Drunk Tank
is a Shock
and it helps you improve

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 6745904)

I dont really think the girls that you are alluding too will be happy wearing flip flops when they are pissed and coming out of a club nor do I think that an untrained "street christian" should be trying to deal with mortally drunk men - that is a job for a pro and not some do-gooder.

Originally Posted by Zee (Post 6745938)

Many girls I know take flat shoes in their handbags with them on nights out to change into at the end of the night. Girls wear high heels to look good, not for comfort - when you're not so steady on your feet, you need comfortable shoes to walk in. Clearly you don't see the point in the concept but many others have been able to point out the benefits of having such a team. There are no disadvantages.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 6745930)

Yes and as I pointed out you dont have to be christian to go to church but when you are there you will not be surprised to find that its a wee teeny bit religious

The amount of girls who walk home in bare feet amid the vomit and broken glass of you and Zee's imaginary city must be minuscule (I have only seen this in films)

and you say they are shown how to deal with the common scenarios? by who - a priest, members of the guild, the head of Beavers?

My point is that in principle it sounds good but in practice its just a token gesture and the morality is highly suspect.

and the name stinks as L said

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6745928)

Yes I blame the parents

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 6745947)

I don't really..given that having seen a LOT of drunk people in my time, the worst ones seem to be (from my experience) middle aged/older people. Seems a bit daft blaming their parents when they have likely been away from them for what...20 years or more?

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 6745949)

Every time I go out, I come home bare foot....I'm never mortally drunk, just in frigging agony usually. They have a scheme like this in Manchester, I've never seen them but appear ardently they do good work.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 6745953)

I am guilty of having walked home with no shoes on D:

I wasn't ridiculously pissed though, I had got a blister on the back of my heel off the shoes that seemed comfy enough when I went out...and I would rather take the risk of standing on a bit of glass than put up with the pain of the blister rubbing :laugh:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 6745942)

No they have not. No one can tell me how they identify people to help apart from perchance seeing a drunk Geordie girl in bare feet. :conf:

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 6745944)

The figures since these Street Angel volunteers have started render your argument invalid.

The Halifax Street Angels for example have been running since 2005, they provide training, including first aid.

And tons of girls walk home barefoot at the weekend whether you choose to believe it or not.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 6745956)

Did you avoid the vomit and broken glass?

Originally Posted by Zee (Post 6745960)

I've already told you. Somebody who is so drunk they can't stand. That's the level of drunk they'd be looking to help in the first instance. They see someone who's so drunk that they can't walk themselves into a taxi or tell the taxi driver where they're going and go and help that person home. There is nothing difficult to comprehend about that. There is no system for deciding who does and doesn't need help, they're just going off of their instincts and looking around to see who's a cause for concern. With things like the flip flops, they'd be standing near clubs handing them out to girls who aren't even necessarily that drunk but are grateful for the flat shoes to walk in.

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 6745966)

Of course....my feet are usually filthy though :laugh: I'm not organised enough to take flat shoes with

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 6745963)

If you can tell me how many converts they have achieved I may acquiesce slightly but telling me they have done some first aid in a draughty church hall like dads army did aint gonna cut it.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 6745971)

So they are targeting mortally drunk men who cannot stand who would otherwise die and barefoot geordies.

Where do i sign?:dog:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 6746019)

Can't see the problem with this myself. People do get drunk, sometimes without meaning to, you can have the same amount of alcohol two nights running and have a completely different reaction to it, if people want to go out of they way at night and volunteer freely to help strangers (whatever their religious beliefs), this has to be a good thing, and if they only stop one from being raped or worse, or falling into the street and getting hit by a moving vehicle, I can't really see why anyone would disagree with anyone else it or want them to stop. If they were hustling the people they helped for cash it would be different which is the idea behind drunk tanks I believe.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6746006)

I've been pissed paralytic on the floor, lost my shoes/bag/phonee, been attacked, nearly got in a taxi that wasn't a taxi.... twice.
yes it was silly and irresponsible, people can b.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6746006)

I've been pissed paralytic on the floor, lost my shoes/bag/phone, been attacked, nearly got in a taxi that wasn't a taxi.... twice.
yes it was silly and irresponsible, people can be.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 6746025)

I wouldnt say knowing your limits was being a saint personally :shrug:

Maybe everyones not like me, but I know as soon as I need to stop/slow down. If we still have a few hours left of the night I will drink pop/water for half an hour or so then have a bit more alcohol if I fancy it. Even as a kid I have never got so drunk that I was sick (excluding hungover, which happened once) or passed out

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6746027)

and now you help others


Thats Good

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 6746034)

Saint Kizzy of Leeds City Centre.



(disclaimer, only on weekends, other cities are available).

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 6746065)

...in reply to the OP...Kizzy, I do sometimes go out with a friend who does it and she’s done it for lots of years, it’s something that the local church organise...one of the first things I asked her was whether she felt safe or if she had ever felt threatened/intimidated in any way and she said no and whenever I’ve been out with her, I honestly haven’t either..not one single time..everyone I’ve met has always been very friendly and I’ve always felt completely safe and actually enjoyed it...(very tired the next day though, but you’re probably much more of a night owl than I am..)....

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 6746103)

So to be clear

What service are u providing and are u evangelising?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 6745681)

"We are a Christian project"

Its a just a cover for a bunch of christians thinking they are being "godly" by helping people who are "drunk" so they can "save" them

Awful.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 6745713)

That is a pretty stereotypical view that is inaccurate. paperwork is much less now due to the digital age but good records are very important.

Originally Posted by 08marsh (Post 6746266)

:joker: