[QUOTE=Vanessa;6999238]She seems like a strong woman to me, but yes. She was definetely affected by it. I think counselling might help her.[/QUOTE

Agree with this and also think Helen goes on the attack when she thinks people are looking down on her which probably comes from her past.

Helen goes on attack when she's had a few glasses of wine........

When did Jale ever look down on her? What did she do to deserve to be labelled a slug?

She has admitted she was wrong and apologized.

Agree with this. She's a c**nt the fact she an ex ***** didnt help but its not the reason why she's a c**nt

That has nothing to do with the point I made though..... She goes on the attack when she drinks, not because people are looking down on her. The people looking down on her part only comes about after she acts like she does.


PS She only "realised" she was wrong after she was warned twice and heard the chants to get her out..........that's not sincere

I don't agree.

With what?

I think she's defensive, because of her past. We'll have to agree to disagree on this. Neither of us will budge.

Calling people slugs for no reason and ostrasizing them from the "popular" kids is a defense mechanism? Ok then

I'm all for discussions, but in this case there's no point. We will never agree on this. Better leave it at that.

I didnt say that when people look down on her, i said when she thinks people look down on her. With her past i would imagine she is quite paranoid about that.

stop quoting me then........I actually do want to discuss this.....that's why I'm still posting in the thread

Ok. I'm leaving the thread.

But why would she think Jale was looking down on her? She'd barely gotten through the door and Helen was on her

You quoted her first niamh to be fair, you can't quote people challenging their opinion and not expect them to quote you.

I agree with vanessa I think the change in persona comes after a drink and she feels quite ashamed after.

People rarely have sympathy or much tolerance for nasty mean self - centered individuals whether they are 'disturbed by events on their life' or not.
BB vets HM's very carefully and if they now think she shouldn't be there, they would pull her out. Or maybe she could take responsibility for herself and leave?
I don't think she is that 'damaged' by the way. She can control herself very well when it suits her. She can be reasonable and charming when it suits her. Her main problems are meanness, nastiness, arrogance and thinking the world should revolve around her. Fix those things, and there would be no reason for people to detest her.
It's all in her own hands.

I do expect them to reply, but not to say I don't want to discuss my opinion, if you don't want to discuss your opinion don't reply :conf:

I have sympathy and empathy, I've never had the misfortune to be targeted by a huge swathe of the country and blamed for anyones 'extra maritals' but my guess is it leaves an impression on your character.

Exactly. The only reason she stopped being a bully was because she was afraid she'd be kicked out, not because she all of a sudden realised she was being a nasty cow.

The prostitution is one of her redeeming qualities!

She was ostrasizing Jale for nearly a week with or without drink. She gets nastier on drink, yes, but drink doesn't cause the nastiness and meanness.

Yeah, I never saw her being ashamed of how she treated Jale until BB warned her about it

She stated her opinion and you began badgering her with yours, all she said was she had made her decision taking into account all the 'what ifs' you suggested.
It was a perfectly polite response.

Replying to posts on a thread is badgering people with your opinions now? Ok then St. Kizzy :hehe:

Exactly. She enjoyed herself tremendously mocking and bullying Jale with all her minions around her encouraging her. Ashamed my ass. If she hadn't gotten the warnings, she'd still be at it. She loves it.

It seems she has always had a "charming" personality, from when she was young, who knows what is to blame, but lots of people who struggle or have bad things happen in their lives still manage to be nice & decent human beings... And those that are hard up don't all turn to prostitution, so I don't have any sympathy for the woman, she made her choices & she is a nasty, vile person who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, unless you paid her £20 of course...

If you had the misfortune to be ostracized by someone, called a slug, laughed at and mocked by them I wonder how sympathetic you would be towards them? Would you be fighting their corner?

Yes you did in this case a bit, sorry to tell you :hehe:

Well I don't know, maybe after a few conversations and apologies I might try see if we had any common ground. I wouldn't write them off no.

I dont know why tbh, Gawd know's what goes on in her mind!lol I think it is in her head that people do that to her when it is not always the case.

hhhmmmm even so, that's her problem and not those around her, it's not an endearing quality either

No it is not an endearing quality and yes it is her problem that is why i agreed with Vanessa that she does need help.

I don't know does she recognize that herself though, like I really don't believe she was sorry about the Jale thing or felt bad about what she did. She only changed the way she was behaving and apologized after the warnings from BB and the boos and chants from the crowd.

I mean how can you call someone a slug for just sitting in the same room as you and not think you're being a complete bitch all by yourself?

She's admitted as much in the diary room lots of times that she overreacts, She might not recognise it in herself. It was commented on a lot on bit on the psyche so hopefully when she comes out there will be the offer of support.

She is a broken woman, do I care? NO.

She will have walked over and hurt loads of people in her life without a care in the world..let her rot!

That's commendable, yes. But would you fight their corner and like them (which you seem to do with Helen) especially when they still throw nasty comments around to others and blow up over trivial things?

I just said yes, you just rephrased the question.

I didn't rephrase it, I asked an additional question, which you answered yes to. Wow. So a person could do that to you, apologize after being warned, continue to try to humiliate other people (like Helen did with Matthew) and you would still fight their corner and like them. You really are St. Kizzy. :laugh:

But our Dan bond is still unbroken. Right? :kiss: