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jet 05-07-2014 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kefln (Post 7014172)
And I personally beleive that its an OTT reaction for people to dislike Ashleigh for mild bitching.

While I do believe that mocking people for their weight, insulting people to their face with distrubing images, discussing female HMs in derogatory ways and laughing while others hurl insults, makes for a very unpleasant individual.

The majority of the public obviously like that sort of behaviour and want those people to triumph, as they have clearly shown, unfortunately. It depends very much on personal standards and morals, I suppose.

reece(: 05-07-2014 12:41 PM

All Ashleigh has done is bitched, Helen has been verbally discriminative and acted aggressively many times and Ashleigh is vilified for it

GypsyGoth 05-07-2014 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 7014537)
The majority of the public obviously like that sort of behaviour and want those people to triumph, as they have clearly shown, unfortunately. It depends very much on personal standards and morals, I suppose.

If it was a vote to save and Ash was saved first, then your claim would make sense. But it was a vote to evict and almost as many people wanted Ash out as did Matt.

So the behavior of both Matt & Ash was the most disliked by the viewers.

jet 05-07-2014 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 7014552)
All Ashleigh has done is bitched, Helen has been verbally discriminative and acted aggressively many times and Ashleigh is vilified for it

Ashleigh sees them for what they were, she doesn't try to hide her disgust but is open and transparent about how she feels by not licking up to the clique. She's stuck in a house with that lot and people expect her to pretend that she's enjoying herself. She and her friend confide their feelings in each other, but it's only Ashleigh, not Danielle, who gets vilified for (shock! horror! ) - bitching. She doesn't rudely confront people with profanities and threats and she's a coward. She tries to hit the unpleasant individuals were it hurts and people vote out someone else to spite her.
You couldn't make it up.

jet 05-07-2014 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsyGoth (Post 7014560)
If it was a vote to save and Ash was saved first, then your claim would make sense. But it was a vote to evict and almost as many people wanted Ash out as did Matt.

So the behavior of both Matt & Ash was the most disliked by the viewers.

Ash was far and away the fave to go with the bookies and all the forum polls. Matthew was nowhere near. The public voted Matthew to spite Ashleigh and showed that they preferred the cliques behaviour as described in the posts above more than they preferred a girl with morals.
I'd say there was a huge push by a contingent of the public near the finishing post to keep Ash in. Their pockets must feel a lot lighter today. lol

rubymoo 05-07-2014 01:19 PM

Everyone thought Ash was defo to go, so he ended up staying because no one voted him out.

That's it in a nutshell!

Alf 05-07-2014 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7014134)
Difference between Helen and Ashleigh is plain to see if people want to,Helen is a gobby bitch,but does regret and admit some stuff that's she's done,Ashleigh is a quiet bitch who slates people behind their backs,never to their faces and relishes in her hate of them,Helen also knows how to have a laugh,the only movement on Ashleighs lips are when she smugly smirks thinking she has achieved something spiteful,it was great to see egg on her face last night.

Whats so wrong about bitching behind peoples backs?

What makes saying it to peoples faces so right?

GypsyGoth 05-07-2014 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 7014601)
Ash was far and away the fave to go with the bookies and all the forum polls. Matthew was nowhere near. The public voted Matthew to spite Ashleigh and showed that they preferred the cliques behaviour as described in the posts above more than they preferred a girl with morals.

That is possible, I don't know why everyone voted. But there are other possibilities.

The polls were flooded with votes against Ash on the first day noms were announced, that is a great representation of who would go on that day. But the eps that followed, showed Matt to be pretty dislikeable, while Ash faded into the background (always a smart tactic to stay in BB).

I recall posting in a thread, the topic was about how one sided one of the polls was, I said something like, there is many a slip between the cup and the lip, and that Ash wasn't gone yet. Not I that thought he would stay, it was just I figured that it wasn't as much a foregone result as it seemed.

Anyway my point is that it wasn't an either or choice, someone who voted to evict Matt, it doesn't mean they supported Ash, or that they want him to stay. Matt behavior in the eyes of the voters was slightly worse than Ash on the week they were both up.

Or if the voters did see it as one of Helen's team facing off against one of Ashleigh's. Then the same also applies, Ashleigh's behavior was worse than Helen's on this week. I think looking back, that's pretty clear to see now.

jet 05-07-2014 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsyGoth (Post 7014651)
That is possible, I don't know why everyone voted. But there are other possibilities.

The polls were flooded with votes against Ash on the first day noms were announced, that is a great representation of who would go on that day. But the eps that followed, showed Matt to be pretty dislikeable, while Ash faded into the background (always a smart tactic to stay in BB).

I recall posting in a thread, the topic was about how one sided one of the polls was, I said something like, there is many a slip between the cup and the lip, and that Ash wasn't gone yet. Not I that thought he would stay, it was just I figured that it wasn't as much a foregone result as it seemed.

Anyway my point is that it wasn't an either or choice, someone who voted to evict Matt, it doesn't mean they supported Ash, or that they want him to stay. Matt behavior in the eyes of the voters was slightly worse than Ash on the week they were both up.

Or if the voters did see it as one of Helen's team facing off against one of Ashleigh's. Then the same also applies, Ashleigh's behavior was worse than Helen's on this week. I think looking back, that's pretty clear to see now.

I respect your take on things (we all see things differently) but I don't think Matthew was unlikable at all. In fact, many people loved the relationship he had with the peoples fave Mark and the banter between them.

We seen Chris saying how Matthew was great, how funny he was but his humour might be taken the wrong way until you get to understand him. Which should have showed the public that he could get interesting and deserved a chance.

....Cut to Ash arrogantly saying it would be a mistake for people to vote him out and the lads all were sitting around saying girls wanted to see bare chested good looking men an how Matthew didn't qualify. I see nothing likable there, just arrogance and vanity.

I didn't see Helen as likeable this week at all. She was still bitching and making snidey faces and complaining about Jale and Kim leaving her out and having a bath together, as if they have to ask her permission. The only reason she's keeping a lid on it is because she got warned.

I hold to my opinion that a certain contingent wanted Ash saved at all costs to spite Ashleigh (look at how many are gloating at the 'look on hr face'). And their push in the latter stages of voting achieved this.

M X 05-07-2014 02:58 PM

I agree. The public have hated Helen since Day 1, and then as soon as anybody stands up to her the public are gunning for them. Danielle got booed after her argument with Helen, Matthew was evicted, then Ashleigh is the next one they are going for. Watch out Winston.


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