Because the finale is the final night. Common sense. She has a pass that means she's there from the first day to the final day.

You don't like that, but it is what it is.

No, she has a pass that means she gets to the final... She is a finalist the moment the vote to win opens, regardless of whether or not she comes last and goes out on a Wednesday

Exactly.

Yes, a vague mention of immunity from one eviction is the same as a "pass to the final".

The final begins the moment the vote to win does. Those are the finalists. If she's there and goes out first, then she was still a finalist. That's what her pass said she was according to the poster above.

:pat: You can't put common sense where there is none.

Big Brother finalists are housemates that are present in the house on the very last day during the final show...yes that's right...the actual final. The last show. The Final. The show where Emma evicts everyone from the house and crowns a winner. The same show that happens on the last day of every series ever. Remember that? It's called the final, and that's what Helen has a pass to. Not the final week, or the final 'line up' (which by the way is all of the people present on the last day, if you're evicted before the final you aren't a finalist)...the actual final.

So can people drop the act of pretending they don't know what a pass to the final means because they're desperate to have her leave before the end. You just know if that pass had gone to a dullard we wouldn't be having this ridiculous discussion which only has one answer to it.

No. The final night is Friday 15th. FRIDAY 15th August. Not Monday, not Wednesday, not tomorrow, NEXT FRIDAY.

Okay... Seeing as I've been banned a couple of times for responding to these sort of responses, I'll just leave you to the insults.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_15_(UK) Look at this: Helen, Ashleigh and Ash are finalist

The pass when given was not a pass to just be a finalist, it was a 'free pass to the final'.
That is what was said,it means Helen is one of the finalists left 'on the final day' of the series.

To be gone any earlier would mean it was not a pass to the final at all.

Yeah that's how I took it. If on Friday they said 'you are all finalists' it means THEY ARE ALL IN THE FINAL. They said she had a pass to the final and was a finalist, not a pass to the final night (I think). If everyone is a finalist then they are all on equal grounds and therefore she shouldn't get more specialist treatment. If they don't say they are all finalists then they can get away with it.

Either way, I agree that Ash would be first out in VTE (assuming Pav goes tomorrow)

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Exactly. Regardless of when the vote opens, the finalists are all those left inside the house on the very last day.

Her pass guaranteed her to stay right until the end.

:cheer2: Excellent summing up again Jack_

Week 10 is THE FINAL
Friday 15th is THE FINAL NIGHT
This Friday after the 2 evictions, the 6 remaining housemates have made the final.
They could evict 1 or even 2 before the final night and that wouldn't change the fact that they made the FINAL.

Depends what you regard the final to be. The World Snooker Final starts on a Saturday and generally ends on a Monday night. Some people have won with a session to spare however. It doesn't mean the other person wasn't a finalist because he didn't get to the last session to be played.

Helen is a finalist the moment the vote to win opens. I don't recall them saying anything other than her being a "finalist". As long as she's part of the final vote to win then she was.

No, Big Brother finalists are those involved in the final vote. Which helen would be.

Do you think? I would have thought it meant she was just a finalist and eligible to be voted for once the Vote to Win lines open, how else would that work?

No, it guaranteed she was a finalist. And the finalist is anyone involved in the final vote.

:joker: Of course it is.

So Craig BB6, Stu BB5 both made the final did they?

They didn't have Davina evicting them 2 days beforehand?

Anyways we owe her at least 4th place.

I'm guessing vote to win lines will open and the one with the least votes gets evicted mid week maybe?

Obviously not including Helen because I think she will be there right up til final night because of the pass?

A finalist is a housemate still in the house on the final day. Hence the word "final". :laugh:

Pardon, the Snooker final only has 2 people in it from the Saturday to the Monday and they are both obviously there until the end of Monday night when one wins and the other is a runner up.
I don't get your point as to that one I'm afraid.

Except that as a final, the people really in the final should be there until the very end.

They were both involved in the final vote. So yes, they were. They just didn't make the last night.

No, they were evicted before the final. As Davina used to repeat a million times.

Yeah if they said they're all finalists...they are all finalists and aren't being evicted until...you guessed it...the final night. Which is the final. If they're planning to have a midweek eviction then telling them they're all finalists is a deliberate lie to give them a false sense of security, and I don't actually recall them ever having done that. Usually they tell them they're finalists when there's going to be no more evictions.

Actually the World Snooker Final begins on a Sunday but this is a totally useless comparison. The snooker final is a two day event, the Big Brother final is a one night event. Not a weeks long, there isn't live shows every night. It's one night. At the end of the series. Of every series. That's one thing that doesn't change. If you don't make the final night, you aren't a finalist. This isn't even up for discussion, you all know full well what a finalist is and you're just pretending you don't because you're desperate for her to leave somehow before the final show.

The snooker final is divided up into sessions. There is a final session, but sometimes one player has already beaten the other before they get to it. Think of final night as the final session.

No, they should be finalists and that's it. If they go out before the very last night, that doesn't mean they weren't part of the final vote.

Nah, I think a finalist is those who are eligible to be in the Vote to Win, it wouldn't really be fair otherwise imo :shrug:

Snooker and Big Brother are two entirely different things, worlds apart. So instead of making a useless comparison, use the actual 14 years of BB history.

It's not about what you think. :fist: It's about facts lady.

A finalist is there to the last night of the show. :fist:

No they are not, finalists are those who are there in the BIG BROTHER FINAL. You know that live show that's listed like that on TV guides on the last day of each series? Yeah that's right it's called the final, and that's where the pass takes her. If you don't make the final show, you are NOT a finalist. You are an evictee.

As I've already said, had this pass gone to a dullard (thank God it didn't) we wouldn't be having this discussion and none of the people crying all series for her to leave before the final would have cared.

Let's face it, BB doesn't care about fair, and they could come up with a new twist, or a new definition of what The Final is. Could be anything. This whole season has been off-the-wall.

They can be. And they would still be finalists because the final is about the vote to win.


They would be going out because of a final vote to win and they came bottom. They were still finalists.



That's absurd. The Big Brother final begins the moment the Vote to win begins. It is the culmination of the voting. Obviously.

The Big Brother final crowns a winner after days of voting. The final therefore begins when the voting to win begins.

It isn't a free pass to be a finalist though Niamh, it was a free pass to the final.

I cannot recall what happened the week after when Luke S and Conor had the chance of one getting money and the other a pass to the final.

However the outcome was that Luke S. got the pass to the final and was there right until the final night's results.
After very narrowly escaping going out the week before they did the pass to the final for one and money for the other.

:laugh: But like, all the contestants who are in the Vote to Win are finalists, how would it be fair for her to by pass a couple of days worth of votes and beat other finalists when she's not even able to be voted out?

I can see all of them exept from Helen being up for eviction but not knowing they are. Then a secret eviction of some sorts on Monday. Nothing will beat 2008's secret eviction though!

My only issue with it is if they call them finalists and it's not the final vote. To me, the final vote is the final and all finalists are involved. It doesn't make sense otherwise. If they say 'there is one more vote before the final' then that's legit. I don't care whether the final is the final week or the final vote or the final night but everyone who is a FINALIST needs to be on the same equal grounds.

If you go out first as part of a vote to win out of a final lineup, you are a finalist regardless of whether there were 12 of you or 3 of you.

What people are concerned about is that they will not open the vote to win on Friday and have some ridiculous eviction again that leads to a popular HM who might have won being evicted.

That's why I said if there is a midweek eviction then it can't be a vote to win excluding Helen as it doesn't make any sense. :laugh:

But channel 5 have completely disregarded 99% of BB law so. :shrug: I wouldn't be surprised either way.