One day it might be you that gets a brain injury and you would be the one sat there having forgotten to shower and eating like a pig. You would soon complain.

Why do some people parade their lack of empathy so proudly?

Yet this supposed "Germophobe" thought that Lauren pissing in the pool was funny.

Was she in the pool with her when she did it though? There's a big difference

Where is the difference?

Pissing in the pool just shows Lauren up as a total sket and far more unhygienic than Gary.

Stephanie doesn't care really about Gary's hygiene. It is just a pathetic school yard way of bullying him. If Gary pissed in the pool we would never hear the end of it, simply because it is Gary.

I have suspicions about this too but we can't be sure I suppose.

No it doesn't.. If someone urinates in a pool (it shouldn't be done anyway because it's gross, but it happens) it gets washed away and the water is sterile anyway because of the chlorine.. Gary didn't wash for nearly 7 days, nor does he flush the toilet after himself, that is far more unhygienic.

No ones said it was ok for Lauren to pee in the pool, and when did Stephanie tell you she had no problem with Buseys hygiene ?

He should have stayed at home then ,he's in there to be judged the same as everyone else

When Lauren said about peeing in the pool Stephanie laughed. That is what tells me that she doesn't really have an issue with bad hygiene.

She only pretends to when it involves someone that her group are bullying.

You want to judge people on their disabilities?:conf:

Do you have a source for the bit in bold?

:facepalm: He is not being judged on his disabilities!
He is being judged on his attitude towards other people and how he treats other people, he can't help his disabilities, but that doesn't give him an automatic pass to be a douche nugget.

In what way does he behave badly? I have never seen him put a foot wrong.

LOL the trouble is then people will say there, Gary is now showing his true colours. He wont win regardless and tbh I do not think anyone will risk not being part of the fold and stand up for him. Gary was at his best when he was secluded with three others in the rubbish dump. Even Kellie was talking to him and standing up for him against Dee but, as soon as he was out he went back to the fold and began to join in. He should be careful really as he to needs a lot of understanding.

There is a conversation on line of three, George, James and Kellie chatting, talk about interrupting each other, they just kept on talking over each other!! It is a shame they dont take a lesson out of their own criticisms of Gary, at least he has a plausible excuse which they should at least try and undestand.

On another note, have we ever heard James stand up for Gary in a genuine way? He declared to him in the live feed that he had actually risked it as everyone was against G. Little does he know the tide is turning. I am waiting for it to turn on Dee.
.

Of course you haven't, because he's bullied and he's the eternal victim right?
I'm not going to list every single thing he's done wrong, because even if i do, people are going to make excuses for him, so whats the point? :laugh:

On the forum he's being judged for his behaviour, but in the house I believe he's being judged on his disabilities at times. It just showed in David's interview when he was mad that he had to repeat himself to Gary, and in some weird way claimed his deafness was manipulative? Didn't get it.

Stop! You'll give us Gary fans a bad name! :laugh::tongue:
He does put a foot wrong sometimes just like everybody else on this earth. He's only human! He still doesn't deserve the way he's treated by some hms though.

Definitely not (mind you I do not undetstand what a douche nugget is) but it does determine the need for empathy, understanding and patience. It isnt Gary I feel sorry for tbh as if he comes out he will be able to hold his head high knowing that he has been himself and hasnt run anyone down. He hasnt bitched or been nasty. It is the rest of them that I truly do feel sorry for. With time comes age and they ned to consider their future. As I see it it will all fall down on them ......... and the walls came tumbling down!!

As per usual spot on ,I dont give a flying one about his disability I do give one on his actions though, he's not helped at all in the house ,sat there to be waited on ,tried to get out of being on the scrap heap by throwing the disabled card ,cannot even be bothered to shower and change his clothes

Yeah i do believe that they could be a bit more patient with him when it comes to his hearing, but i do think that David is right in the case that Gary plays up to his disabilities a little bit to wind people up, because he does seem like a bit of a wind up merchant, so if he is doing that then i can easily see why so many people get frustrated with him :laugh:

That behaviour is caused by his disability. People with brain injuries often forget to do things like shower.

You are just condoning the bullying of a disabled person for his disabilities. I hope you are just trying to be controversial and don't really mean it.

I didn't say he has never put a foot wrong. Please read my post again.

Yeah I still can't decide whether I think he plays it up or not! But he did seem a bit of a wind up merchant when he would smirk at Leslie while he was going mad at him :laugh: that would p**s me right off!

You said you'd never seen him put a foot wrong? Is that not the same thing?

We only have the others words that he doesnt change his clothes and that he doesnt shower. He may just wash, that is just as refreshing, he obviously shaves. Can you honestly see them letting him help in the kitchen, the kitchen belongs to those who like to put themselves forward for protection.

That is the only place that they seem to congregate and as soon as Gary appears they tend to walk away.........Now as regards the scrap heap as we have said before many HMs have been allowed not to take part in things because of health reasons. All he asked for was that he didnt have to sleep out there. Other than that he fitted in and enjoyed it. Whilst we are on the subjec what about one or two of the others who had a hissey fit?

No it isn't.

The point is that I have watched everything we have been given to watch. All the highlights, live feed etc and I have never seen him put a foot wrong.

So my question to the other poster was what have they seen him do.

All the people who keep embarrassing themselves with talk of Gary not showering, could you please read this factsheet on the effects of acquired brain injury:

http://synapse.org.au/get-the-facts/...act-sheet.aspx

In particular look at this bit:
Sounds exactly like Gary doesn't it? And he just happens to have an acquired brain injury.

Stop condoning the bullying of someone due to their disability. It might seem like a fun way to troll but it is actually just vile.

Ok... :suspect:

I'm surprised that website exists since brain injury can be soooooo varied. If the brain damage was in his visual areas for example (which I doubt it is), that would have no effect on his memory or motivation to shower. Not sure if we can attribute Gary's behaviour to his brain injury, but it could be a factor I suppose.

oh fgs how silly

No-one is condoning anything, as you rightly said in a different thread, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so please get off your high horse and stop trying to make other people feel bad for their opinion, that isn't nice to see.

I would tell you what it means, but i wouldn't want to be crude :joker:

All you have to do is take a look at him before the brain problems.

That man has had a severe brain trauma when he came off his motorbike but he also had tumours and had to have 2 brain operations to have them removed. All of his behaviour is attributable to it.

Stop and think what you are posting. Saying things like "Helen is so nice" or "Rachel Rice was dead exciting" are fun ways to troll. Condoning the mass bullying of a man due to his disability isn't.

Hahahaha have you EVER seen me post that I condone bullying of a disabled person?! In my last post, did I mention anything about how he is treated? No. I just said we can't guarantee that him not showering is attributable to his disorder. I also didn't say it was justified how they are treating him regardless of whether he had a disability or not. Some of his behaviour is due to hearing disability and the hms are very intolerant of him because of it, it's awful.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you about one little thing doesn't mean they completely disagree with you and therefore "condone bullying". It isn't all black and white like that.

Look, it is no skin off my nose either way. I can't lose in this. I support gary and it looks very much like he will win, or at least do better than the main bullies.

What I am trying to do is help you. Some people don't realise how their words can be perceived. If people tried to help gary in that way then there might not be such a problem.

:laugh2::laugh2: sounds like you're trying to help me in the same way that James tries to help Gary - talking down to people, lecturing without really listening to what the other person is saying. I also support Gary, he's my favourite, but don't see the need to whip out vague websites on random symptoms of brain damage to justify my support.

Gary's not prefect, not by a long chalk. But I've yet to hear him bitch behind someone's back, raise his voice, raise his hand, cut someone's clothes up, ruin food, question the skills that people are famous for (like they all did about his acting skills), jump around and keep people awake/wake them up or piss in the pool like a filthy pig. And yet... he's the one being treated like an outcast.

Their general attitude toward his disbilities seem to be the same as David, who said, "Yes, I know he's deaf, but come on... you sometimes have to say things THREE TIMES!" They're ignorant halfwits, and that's the intelligent ones. Most of them wouldn't attain the dizzy height of halfwit if they had twice the wit they have now.

:clap1:

Couldn't have put it better myself! Can't believe people criticise Gary for being rude when he doesn't do any of the things you listed above which many other hms are guilty of time and time again and are extreeemely rude. Great post.

You should really be able to accept the consequences of a brain injury without being provided with a website link.

Gary was talked down to and seemed to be isolated last night. It was uncomfortable viewing.That live feed was just after live nominations though when tensions and feelings are running high and as most of the HM's nominated him, they might have felt uncomfortable themselves interacting with him. It's maybe not a good example of what a normal everyday live feed may be like. If I went by that alone, I would think Gary was being treated badly, no doubt about it.
Then I think of Celeb Apprentice usa, and he drove everyone up the wall on it as well and they hadn't much patience for him either. So that's two shows and 20 + people who are all pretty heartless and uncaring, and by the law of averages that just doesn't compute. So common sense tells me that many of those people have tried in their own way with Gary and he still bugs the hell out of them for whatever reason.
I think he could be manipulative, I think he could be winding people up sometimes. He did it in the USA show, but it was clearer there because they were in situations were they had to work together constantly on campaigns, sales etc. .
So I just don't know what to make of it, but wherever he goes, he causes controversy and it's brilliant viewing. Can anyone imagine what this series would be like without him?

I didnt see the show but I do know that he was accused of taking something which he didnt do but the accuser really did his nut, oh boy!!! Also Gary must have pushed someone, denied it but then owned up publicy that he did do it.

In the beginning I did think that we shoudnt underestimate him but the more I watch him the more vunerable he seems sometimes to the point of being really naive. Having said this though, we havent seen him complain or point a finger, he just seems to be grateful for his lot and accepts things as they are. It will be interesting to see him out of the house where he will be able to chat to people who will listen.

I personally would love to sit and talk to him without being at all condescending. Would love to hear his tales and to delve deeper into his spirituality theories. I agree the show would be very boring without him.