Originally Posted by delta (Post 7248938)

I think the age thing is extremely pertinent as the conversation went " Oh my god I don't think I have hit a 70 year old person, not yet anyway"

He's a classic bully cloaked in a veneer of gooey falseness, constantly shifting the posts from "oh look at me I am the victim here" To one of all out merciless attack, with out stopping to think of the consequences.

The incident we are talking about happened in the very first week of their stay in the house. No boundaries were set and no matter how an older person is acting you NEVER would talk to them and try to bully the older person down in the manner that Bully Elliot attempted to do.

Just the mere fact that he wants to be ( and I think the expression is a loads of codswallop) to be 'Alpha male' demonstrates his need to be top dog and to give the orders and for someone who never, ever is going to be reveals so much about his character.

People who have been bullied tend to show classic signs of being a bully but are unable to carry out properly. He admitted that he'd been bullied and belittled when he was younger and going into what was considered an effeminate occupation he's probably lived with that burden or label of people calling him and accusing of not being a real man.

Kellie states that he is demeaning to women and talks disgracefully about his wife in front of others. He also stated that he was a bully. I agree, he bullied Kelly all of the time. Now do you think he would have said the same things to Frank? No!!! He took liberties. Why? Because he felt safe to do it- no real threat or comebacks.

Another classic sign of a bully is when they are being stood up to or confronted they then become the coward and back down- all front and bluster and we have seen this on numerous occasions where someone has stood up to him and he's caved in. I don't mean Audley who is too nice a guy to be really nasty and knows it's decisive and counter productive to be arguing all of the time. Bully also knows that whilst he's in the safe confines of the BB house he can goad Audley all he wants and there will be no consequences- so even in that scenario he's attempting to belittle and bully Audley.

You disagree about him not wanting certain people around him and not wanting to rule the house? Are you watching the same program as the rest of us? He's tried to be Alpha male for the last 3 weeks and has embarrassed himself beyond belief.

He said last night after he felt ambushed and he then appeared in the diary room as a quivering wreck with a tissue in his hand that the 3 people he didn't like and had a problem with were allowed to attack him. He then went on to say after Kellie had been evicted that was one less to deal with and they wouldn't be able to act as a tag team to be able to verbally attack him. What? Half of the time they weren't talking to each other, so we can dispel that notion that they had some sort of strategy to undermine him.

As Luisa stated last night the guy has so many personal issues and could potentially do something really bad or alluded to something along those lines.


Nah Bully Elliot is the most apt tag to hang round his repulsive neck. Por moi !

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7249180)

Your obsession with James is interesting...and quite scary, ummmm....I hated Helen in BB but I didn't spend a fraction of the time on her that you do on James.

As for the above statement, James is many things, but false isn't one of them. He wouldn't know how to be fake if BB paid him a million pounds to do it. He puts it all out there and locks horns with the world and has not one ounce of deviousness in his body.
If he had, he would change himself to fit the ongoing circumstances - getting boos, getting into arguments, being the 'bad boy' etc. But he hasn't a clue how to rein it in and goes on charging away like a battering ram (just like his astrological sign of Aries the Ram).
I get him because my son and my brother in law are both Aries, and its quite freaky how much alike they are. Just like James, they are very competitive, quick tempered and argumentative and they couldn't look inwards to analyse themselves to save their lives. But they are both fiercely loyal and as big - hearted as they come and are loved by everyone despite their shortcomings (which we all have.)
As I don't know James personally I can't say I particularly like him in the house, but from what I have seen I think his fiery personality is being exaggerated with the strain the BB house must bring, which will be the same for them all. Whatever personality traits they have, they will be shown in larger than life technicolour in there if they let them (and James does, whereas someone like Edele doesn't.)
And I disagree that James is a bully and I think your insistent name calling is very immature.

Originally Posted by delta (Post 7249222)

Re: the name calling - Nope, it just rankles with the James Jordan fraternity on here and the constant 'biging up of an abominable role model. That a picture paints a thousand words. Come on admit it, you just don't like the image below. :laugh::laugh: You can try and spin it how you want. Put up as many' FOR' BULLY ELLIOT threads. You will always be in the minority where this person is concerned.

Anyone that remotely supports him or tries to excuse his actions should, imho- hang their head in shame.


LOL!

That's why he was called out for being a coward and didn't stand up to back his words up. He's all those and more.

Re: Not being a bully. Have you read the above piece about the 6 types of bullying, he fits the relational bully to a tee. So there for, ignoring your plea to classify him under something else, he is, by definition A BULLY and so if the cap fits- wear it ! As for the strain of being in the house - come on, the only grief caused is by his presence, remove the bully and you remove the problem.

My hatred for this grade A pr!ck and the delusional support by some on here is only matched for the utmost respect for Audley and my sheer admiration for Mr Busey.

FCS, he's in another country and he's still slaying 'em.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7249231)

Or just remove yourself from their presence. Like I'm doing now. Bye!

Originally Posted by delta (Post 7249121)

Hi,

Not a problem.


There is no right or wrong and no winners in arguments the only thing that can decide a debate is the majority watching, now whilst I haven't done a poll and you are entitled to your opinion. I think the number of people that said he is a bully in and outside of the house are too many too classify him as misunderstood or struggling in some other sort of human sphere.

Kellie has come from the meanest streets of London and probably dealt with the low life of the boxing fraternity. He let slip in a conversation that he felt intimidated by Mr Jordan {Jumior} now for a woman/man of his past reputation and walk of life tells you something about the image he projects and for that alone he counts as a bully. To intimidate is a form of bullying. Gary touched upon it in the counselling session. Your words say one thing but you are betrayed by your body language.

When he went in there he'd assessed everyone's character with-in 30 seconds and he bragged that the only one he got wrong was Ricci who he thought would be loud mouthed, beer swinging, no for good lout. What?

I also think that the fence sitters decided to side with him for an easy life and a question to ask your self,: Would the house be a more calmer place with out Bully Elliot in it? Well we already have the answer to that from KM. " He stated that there would be a huge sigh of relief if he was evicted and everyone could relax and get on with each other and life." He's a divider, a user, a schemer and a bully. End of.

Another instance that highlights he is a controller and a bully is the night Lauren let things hang out and he recanted later that in " In no way would he let his wife act like that" What, do you own her or something?

The reason why I asked you if you were watching the same program as the rest of us was.Certain people on here don't see the whole picture, not because they are being underhand - they somehow don't see it all. I am a big football fan and the different versions of one event on forums is alarming. There is only one truth one happening and I like the people who get nearest to what actually took place. Not a concocted version or interpretation of events. There is now an unequivocal ground swell of opinion stating that he is a bully and how you can argue other wise I don't really understand. Yes, he has other issues, low self esteem, another sign of a bully,Insecure, lack of confidence, identity problem, problems with authority etc

Finally, I think we will find that the housemates once they have vacated the premises as Boreham Wood- if they have the guts to stand up and be counted- to say that in hindsight that he was overbearing and they were a tad scared of him and were glad that Audley was there as counter balance.