Definitely. I love Gary, but there's no way he is a victim.

I don't think Edele did anything wrong. In my view she was trying to stop something else from kicking off because she is probably sick listening to it. Also, she's a mum... I'm a mum... and I know I have needed to put my kids in different parts of the house at times to stop them from kicking off into an argument again.. so maybe it was that..

Gary didn't seem to mind either, so I think this subject is a non-issue really.

id love to see the reaction if busey was so petty and told dee she couldnt sit poolside......shed go berserk and threaten violence again and the sheep would support her

I think she's about to go berserk anyway.. she's on a slippery slope lol

Thanks lily:wavey:

I agree that this is a non issue;)

I do think Edele could have gone up to Gary and explained,do they have to belittle him at every opportunity,sometimes it's not what people say but how they say it,she could have done that in a more kinder and subtle way,she was just caring about Dee in that and not Gary.

Good point! If Gary told Dee not to sit by him she would say...

"Gary! I'll sit where I please! Who are you to tell others where they can, and can't sit!"

Almost the exact words.

I will never forget that pool incident, Leslie saying this is my pool, someone else telling Gary that he had no right to be there and Stephanie telling him to leave her Leslie alone. How did they ever get away with that, there was quite a few around that pool. He was made to feel inadequate when he had already been told that noone liked him.

He should not have been told to go away from the seat, he told someone beforehand that he was going to sit out there. Once again he was made to feel inadequate. Audley bless him, had the right attitude when he told Dee to include Gary and not to let the rest of them make him feel unwanted. Not the exact words but that was what he meant. I hope that Gary realises afterwards what a friend Audley has been to him. Would love to think that Gary takes him to his hometown. All sitting around Dee the queen mama bee as though she needed comforting. Fingers down throat jobby. Edelle is sugar sweet but behind his back or near him she has bitched. The only decent thing she did for him was to let him have his letter.

I would like to think that Lauren stays tomorrow and that it is Ricci and Dee or Edelle. Mind you James would be a thousand times better imo. Dee and James......

Dee was the one who wanted space so should have been the one to move around the house and avoid people. Not cordon off areas of the house and tell Gary he can't enter them.

If she doesn't want to be near someone then she should move.

Spot on :clap1:

Exactly....if she don't want to sit near him it's down to her to move...fag or no fag..she has the problem NOT GARY..

Oh FOR GODS SAKE the truth STOP painting Edele as evil just because she asked Gary not to come into the area that DEE already was in as emotions were still running high and she didn't want EITHER Gary or Dee to start ranting again. You must remember Edele likes both of them. And Edele doesn't have to TRY and make herself look good. All the housemates like her and that in itself is a good thing, even the evicted housemates. She has taken more time with Gary than any of the others and she DOESNT preach to him like James does. I hate Dee with a vengeance and I like Gary but they were both wrong in the argument to some degree. Gary accepted what Edele said and probably knew why she asked him not to come out at that particular time.

If you hate Edele fair enough but for goodness sake come up with good reasons

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What is it with some of you people and this little habit of mitigating all of Gary's problems to the point of non-existence?

In another thread it was implied that because Gary can form complete sentences most of the time, he must not REALLY have brain injuries.

And now this.

You DO realize that a person with any type of limitations or injuries can sometimes have a good day, or a good hour, where a sore knee or a brain problem can be less of an issue. It's like with anything else. Sometimes pains and ills let up for a bit, and a person can have a littlle peace.

Just because Gary can walk from one end of the garden to the other doesn't mean he's faking his injuries, or that they are less in severity than was originally thought. BB does allow HM's to take any prescribed meds they happen to be on, and does provide pain killers, cold medicine, etc., when needed. Someone's problems can be lessened for a bit when they take such meds.

So enough of this underhanded way of trying to say that Gary is faking it all, is at 100% mental and physical health, and couldn't POSSIBLY have anything truly wrong with him.

I have a problem with one of my legs. Sometimes it is mostly ok, but other times it gives me EXCRUCIATING pain and is very debilitating. The good, relatively pain-free moments don't mean that my problem doesn't exist or that I'm faking it.

Asinine.

I think Edele should have kept her mouth shut. I don't hate her, nor am I "against" her for doing it, but it was actually none of her business. If Dee didn't want Gary around, it should have been she herself to say it.

And it did make Edele appear to be taking Dee's side. Otherwise when she saw Gary she could have suggested to Dee, "Maybe we should take this inside for a while." Or she could have simply remained silent and allow Dee to make the decision, or not.

Why did Gary have to be the one inconvenienced when Dee had already had some time out there?

Okay so;
1. Drop the attitude.
2. when did i ever say that he was faking it all? i didn't, i said it's funny how one minute he was incredibly active and spritely, but now people are saying that he's so fragile and that he was in desperate need of a chair that very instance, when he looked completely fine.
3. I've deal with two people who are in pain every single day, so i know what pain is and what it looks lie, you don't need to explain that to me tyvm.

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Most people would know that you give an argument time to settle down, you don't follow somebody about after it.
Gary is either ignorant of socially inept..I go for the for the ignorant option.

1. No attitude here.

2. Oh, please... You're smart enough to know how to imply things without coming out and actually saying them. It's a sneaky way of making such implications while still allowing oneself a backdoor to escape through if called out for it.

3. Dealing with someone in pain isn't the same as experiencing the pain yourself. If some caregivers could actually experience the intensity and severity of the pain their "patients" are going through, they might be a bit more understanding about crankiness, perceived rudeness, etc. Pain can do terrible things to a person's personality because, dammit, it hurts! The last thing someone in pain needs is someone getting angry with them or implying that their pain may not be real. It adds insult to injury and makes that person's existence even more miserable. Compassion is called for, and that involves keeping one's insensitivity and rudeness to themselves when dealing with such people.

What part of "DESIGNATED SMOKING AREA" do people not understand? Typical non-smoker selfish attitudes..........throw all the smokers out to some shabby makeshift beer garden in rain. hail and snow.......then come outside on a nice sunny day and yap and gurn about all the outside tables being taken up by the smokers who have sat there all ****ing winter. Dee has shown her true colours and I dislike her, Gary has been badly treated by practically every single housemate BUT don't suggest a smoker who's upset should move from the smoking area. Edele should have kept her nose out she made a bad situation worse. And BTW Dee's weight is irrelevant to the issue.

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Let Edele live

Like Gary then I stand - me corrected, and him because he has been refused a seat in the garden. :nono::nono:

Perhaps he would have liked to sort it out sensibly instead of which to see them sat together would have made him think that they were talking about him and against him which we know they are. Edelle should have kept her nose out of it and let Dee and Gary chat why should he be made the scapegoat all of the time.

I've read through this thread over and over and do not see once that LiamPRW has said Gary is faking it.

This thread is about Edele saying to Gary to basically give Dee some space after an argument, it makes me sad you can't see it for what it is.

If 3 is true why have you shown him zero empathy

brilliant post. maybe thats why we have so many cruel uncaring nurses in the UK