Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 7262501)

Well you didn't say that, you said not embracing him for being a legend can we not change the topic of the conversation.

Originally Posted by LiamPRW (Post 7262519)

It's your opinion that James is an asshole, it's also your opinion that Gary is a wonderful man, they are not my opinions, so that's why i don't say it.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7262523)

you honestly dont think james is an asshole? please explain why?

Originally Posted by LiamPRW (Post 7262528)

No i don't think he's an asshole, he might stir stuff up, but i don;t see him as an asshole.
Why? because he's a joker, he has a sense of humour, he's funny, he likes to have a bit of banter with people, granted people might misconstrue that as being horrible, but in my eyes he's just a guy who has a different sense of humour to most people, he does like to stir the pot and wind people up occasionally, like when he was jokingly telling Edele she was rude during her so called 'argument' with Gary in the garden, i find him endearing and a great delight to watch.

Originally Posted by delta (Post 7262099)

Oh how the masses are so easily duped.


Pray tell me- what sort of games can they play to influence the out come of any given event or happening in the house?


Also- do tell me how the housemates in there are acting to any given situation in the house that they would act differently outside. { other than having the option to walk away}

This oh {Quote} Team Audley/ Team James - that came from Emma Willis the other night. No it's Team Right against Team Wrong.

This isn't Monoply or It's Knock About it's a game of Life and the games people play. The good and bad traits they have picked up whilst they have been on this earth are put to good use whilst they are incarcerated.

It's laughable when someone traipses out the expression "Oh he/she is playing a massive game" How? Are they using their ace card of being able to go invisible or have they snuck a cell phone in or tablet and have privy to what we are thinking and so adjusting and saying what we would like to think they want to hear?

People adjust their opinions and swap back and forth- take sides to suit their own agenda etc in the outside world. We see the exact same thing in the house. Pacts are made and broken. Friends are forged then lost.

Big Brother is the game of life. To argue that what we see isn't that person or somehow managed to project themselves into something they would never be or do on the outside world is the biggest load of bullsh!t going.

What you see is what you get.

Audley - for the most a very nice guy regular and kind
James- A nasty- vindictive- insecure and jealous- over bearing individual
Dee- Scum of the earth a bully- thief - underhand and cunning.
Edele- Sickly sweet- an image is one thing- reality another. Sly
Ricci- Steady Eddie- young and doesn't really know his own mind.
Lauren- Vacuous- self centred - a bit of a non entity- harmless
George- A set, set of ways and values all the way from Essex. Thinks he speaks for the rest of the country. Deluded little Mama's boy.
Gary- Seems a nice guy- hard to evaluate their claims of rudeness. I think we see enough of him to know that he's been ostracised and picked upon. He tried to adapt to fit in- tried to improve etc and I think in the end has thought - Fcuk you - you don't like me. I won't hate you but I will do it MY WAY. The most interesting and amusing housemate of them by a country mile. I don't think we have scratched the surface with him.

Are this lot so desperate to win ( win what?) that they would treat someone the way they are doing. As brilliant as this one was this year it will also go down as one of the most excruciatingly painful to watch at times.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7262543)

its disgusting how the producers and big brother encourages and rewards this revolting abusive bully to continue in such a disgusting manner. such a person should be ostracised from society. hes threatened violence upon a frail 70 year old, hes verbally abused him for weeks, all because of his petty vile jealousy. he takes pleasure in hurting and offending people. theres nothing funny about him or his actions at all. please enlighten me whats funny about any of this? about threatening an old man, about controlling and insulting others, hurting the afflicted, showing no real empathy and compassion, encouring others to follow suit, about group bullying. the endless hypocrisy, the double standards, where he shouts at and demeans people outside his group for stuff people in his group get away with. such as showing your ass for a second like george and others. hes the leats funny twat ive ever had the displeasure to witness. i think people in society supporting the likes of james is part of the reason why bullying is condoned and continues in society in schools, in workplaces in hospitals and care homes etc id love to really understand what it is you find funny about any of this?

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7262543)

its disgusting how the producers and big brother encourages and rewards this revolting abusive bully to continue in such a disgusting manner. such a person should be ostracised from society. hes threatened violence upon a frail 70 year old, hes verbally abused him for weeks, all because of his petty vile jealousy. he takes pleasure in hurting and offending people. theres nothing funny about him or his actions at all. please enlighten me whats funny about any of this? about threatening an old man, about controlling and insulting others, hurting the afflicted, showing no real empathy and compassion, encouring others to follow suit, about group bullying. the endless hypocrisy, the double standards, where he shouts at and demeans people outside his group for stuff people in his group get away with. such as showing your ass for a second like george and others. hes the leats funny twat ive ever had the displeasure to witness. i think people in society supporting the likes of james is part of the reason why bullying is condoned and continues in society in schools, in workplaces in hospitals and care homes etc id love to really understand what it is you find funny about any of this?

Originally Posted by susie q (Post 7262433)

I like most people wish we had never heard of Dee. Stealing from care homes was just wrong and in my eyes unforgiveable. If she gets a tv series I will not watch it ever.

Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 7262501)

Well you didn't say that, you said not embracing him for being a legend can we not change the topic of the conversation.

Originally Posted by mary poppins (Post 7262601)

you need to stop throwing your rattle out of your pram and get a grip!!

Originally Posted by icecakes (Post 7261844)

Of course they have, her scandalous scumbag lifestyle was all over the media.

Originally Posted by Jamesy (Post 7262146)

It's embarrassing how obsessed some of you are with Gary. :laugh:

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7262543)

its disgusting how the producers and big brother encourages and rewards this revolting abusive bully to continue in such a disgusting manner. such a person should be ostracised from society. hes threatened violence upon a frail 70 year old, hes verbally abused him for weeks, all because of his petty vile jealousy. he takes pleasure in hurting and offending people. theres nothing funny about him or his actions at all. please enlighten me whats funny about any of this? about threatening an old man, about controlling and insulting others, hurting the afflicted, showing no real empathy and compassion, encouring others to follow suit, about group bullying. the endless hypocrisy, the double standards, where he shouts at and demeans people outside his group for stuff people in his group get away with. such as showing your ass for a second like george and others. hes the leats funny twat ive ever had the displeasure to witness. i think people in society supporting the likes of james is part of the reason why bullying is condoned and continues in society in schools, in workplaces in hospitals and care homes etc id love to really understand what it is you find funny about any of this?

Originally Posted by waterhog (Post 7262139)

24 7 would get tiring and there is only so many times you can embrace and respect someone.

Originally Posted by Tip (Post 7262670)

I don't think it would have been great viewing to see people fawning over a Hollywood actor for 4 weeks either.

However, it has taught me that I probably won't go to a celebrity agent if I need a carer for myself or one of my family - (as if anyone needed that lesson).

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7262543)

its disgusting how the producers and big brother encourages and rewards this revolting abusive bully to continue in such a disgusting manner. such a person should be ostracised from society. hes threatened violence upon a frail 70 year old, hes verbally abused him for weeks, all because of his petty vile jealousy. he takes pleasure in hurting and offending people. theres nothing funny about him or his actions at all. please enlighten me whats funny about any of this? about threatening an old man, about controlling and insulting others, hurting the afflicted, showing no real empathy and compassion, encouring others to follow suit, about group bullying. the endless hypocrisy, the double standards, where he shouts at and demeans people outside his group for stuff people in his group get away with. such as showing your ass for a second like george and others. hes the leats funny twat ive ever had the displeasure to witness. i think people in society supporting the likes of james is part of the reason why bullying is condoned and continues in society in schools, in workplaces in hospitals and care homes etc id love to really understand what it is you find funny about any of this?

Originally Posted by Trasadkel1 (Post 7262885)

There is no hope... I had read some of your posts and thought you were saying it tongue in cheek but it is quite worrying that I now don't think you are:/. Could you just advise how you manage to have so much anger towards people you have never met. How can you know the real extent of what has gone on in the house from watching heavily edited highlights. How do you also explain that , if the highlights had been edited negatively for Gary, they could have chosen to show his rude side, him pushing people out the way and walking around with poo on his hands etc. it's all about the editing and creating an entertainment show.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 7262892)

I find it rather worrying that you can't see what we are all upset about. :shrug:

Originally Posted by Trasadkel1 (Post 7262885)

There is no hope... I had read some of your posts and thought you were saying it tongue in cheek but it is quite worrying that I now don't think you are:/. Could you just advise how you manage to have so much anger towards people you have never met. How can you know the real extent of what has gone on in the house from watching heavily edited highlights. How do you also explain that , if the highlights had been edited negatively for Gary, they could have chosen to show his rude side, him pushing people out the way and walking around with poo on his hands etc. it's all about the editing and creating an entertainment show.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7262897)

youre doing the exact same about a man youve never met lol mindless hypocrisy

Originally Posted by Trasadkel1 (Post 7262915)

That's the point I am not because I am watching the show for entertainment and support the housemate that has entertained me. I don't vote, it just frustrates me that people are ruining the show by loosing all sense of reality. By the way I have answered your question you have just deflected mine. How can you feel such spite towards someone you don't know and are basing an opinion from watching heavily edited highlights. Just interested because I seriously cannot believe what I read. Its not reality... It's set up situations designed to cause conflict and interest to get good ratings.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 7262918)

I guess if that's your form of entertainment good for you, I hope you never have to suffer on the end of that sort of behaviour. I've also supported who has entertained me most. You know the one who barely allowed to get a word in without being shut down, shouted at and lectured. But hey we still have the honk!

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 7262918)

I guess if that's your form of entertainment good for you, I hope you never have to suffer on the end of that sort of behaviour. I've also supported who has entertained me most. You know the one who barely allowed to get a word in without being shut down, shouted at and lectured. But hey we still have the honk!

Originally Posted by Trasadkel1 (Post 7262936)

This is how we see things differently though. I see a man who is not a frail, brain damaged person who needs to be handled with kid gloves. Let's be honest he would not be in there if that was the case.

I see a very strong willed man who doesn't listen to what others have to say because he is only interested in himself. I think he knows exactly what he is doing and instigates situations to annoy people and then stands back and plays the victim. It is pretty obvious from the comments made by evicted housemates that he is not easy to cope with.

Like I have said the producers could have chosen to show him in a bad way if they had wanted but I would imagine the fact that he is a Hollywood "legend" and they have paid him lots of money they wanted their money's worth.

Originally Posted by mary poppins (Post 7261822)

Christ it's only Gary busey..he made a few good films..so what? He's still obnoxious!

Originally Posted by icecakes (Post 7261810)

Dee rolling her eyes when Gary started singing in the diary room, she really is a vile pig, hope she gets her comeuppence.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 7262941)

This is where you don't get it. I don't see a weak man either. We aren't the sum total of someone else's behaviour towards us, that doesn't mean that that behaviour is acceptable.

Originally Posted by Trasadkel1 (Post 7262949)

I haven't excused bad behaviour however some of the posts on here are nasty and vindictive towards housemates with no real evidence as to the real circumstances that has gone on to cause them. When live feed existed we could get to know the real people. Now we base our assumptions on what Channel 5 choose to show us. My argument is how the hell can people develop such hatred for people when anyone could be edited to look bad if they cared to do it. It is being ruined by the PC brigade who cannot distinguish real life from reality in my opinion. These type of people are the ones that send abuse to actors that portray evil soap star characters:/.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 7262918)

I guess if that's your form of entertainment good for you, I hope you never have to suffer on the end of that sort of behaviour. I've also supported who has entertained me most. You know the one who barely allowed to get a word in without being shut down, shouted at and lectured. But hey we still have the honk!

Originally Posted by Trasadkel1 (Post 7262949)

I haven't excused bad behaviour however some of the posts on here are nasty and vindictive towards housemates with no real evidence as to the real circumstances that has gone on to cause them. When live feed existed we could get to know the real people. Now we base our assumptions on what Channel 5 choose to show us. My argument is how the hell can people develop such hatred for people when anyone could be edited to look bad if they cared to do it. It is being ruined by the PC brigade who cannot distinguish real life from reality in my opinion. These type of people are the ones that send abuse to actors that portray evil soap star characters:/.

Originally Posted by NT30 (Post 7262943)

I know! I prefer the macdonalds chicken legend, James to win :)

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 7262972)

And some of the posts condone horrible behaviour and some posts direct nastiness and name calling towards Gary and say he deserves it. Don't fool yourself into thinking that isn't a two way street from various people. :shrug:

As someone said the other evening to Leslie on bots, Ian I think it was. Yes the shows are edited but we can't put words into your mouth. It's still you who said those things. Editing is really irrelevant, editing hasn't put the words that I view offensive into James or Dee's mouths, that has come straight from them.

Also we see how Gary responds. I find him the better person.