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poppsywoppsy 14-09-2014 01:32 PM

May I ask those who want the Forum to be non descriptive, non opinionated and with no back and forth discussions about housemates faults, only their good points.

As you say, it is easy to slate the housemates behind a computer and also it is just as easy to take the moral high ground too.

I take the line of, if I don't like or agree with someone's opinions, I either give my fourpenneth in reply or ignore the posts from these posters.

I get fed up with those who say they don't like how the Forum is and keep moaning about it, they get on my nerves just as much. Why don't you take it all with a pinch of salt rather than act as if it should be something to look down on, join in if you want to or not as the case may be.

There are acceptable levels on Forums and consequences if they are breached.

These housemates are fully aware of what happens when they go into the BB house, they know that if they take the money there is a price to pay, so I do not feel any sympathy towards them.

The only way the public can have a say in what happens in and after going in the house, is public opinion which means that if housemates behave disgracefully as happened in this series and don't get much censure by BB, then when they come out to public opinion which is against them, it is far better than letting them get away with it.

I say, read what you agree or disagree with and avoid the rest, it is all rough and tumble in the long run and means little. In fact, I once posted on a political forum which was mainly older men and was amazed at the vitriol, sexism and bitterness they posted, I just posted my views and in the end found them repetative and boring and this wasn't a BB forum either.

By the way, I am not 12 years old or a Daily Star reader, but that didn't stop those taking the high ground from insulting me as a poster on here, did it? Think on.

puzzled 14-09-2014 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimist (Post 7267830)
As a Gary fan, I've never said he is perfect. I'm sure some of the issues brought up by other housemates had at least *some* truth to them.

However,

I found that in many cases, they were exaggerating, and sometimes outright lying, as when Dee denied calling Gary a bitter old man.

I fully understand that some of Gary's habits may have been hard to live with... but I still say when someone is that age, has had a brain injury and several surgeries, has a profound hearing problem, the best thing you can do for them is CUT THEM SOME SLACK. Life is difficult enough for someone in that condition. They don't need a bunch of heartless, selfish, immature and verbally abusive people getting on their case, ON TOP OF what they already have to deal with on a daily basis.

It's called understanding and compassion, people.

Elderly people sometimes lose control of their bodily functions. It comes with age. YOUR body will deteriorate over time, as well... Everyone's eventually does, and I can bet that at that time, you will want people to be understanding of what you're going through.

Gary took everything people said on board, and tried to meet their requirements. He clearly tried to make improvements once an issue was made clear to him.

Conversely, do you think for one moment that James would try to NOT act so pompous and better than everyone else, if he were asked to do so?

Do you think Dee would take criticism on board and try to change if she were told what was wrong with her? HELL NO.

Do you think "poor little" Leslie could be told all the things he does wrong, and then learn to appreciate the feedback and use it to improve himself?

Gary is MILES ahead of the rest of them, as far as self-awareness goes. And he's humble, not a braggart like the rest of them. He doesn't pretend to be better than the rest of them, but nearly all of them pretend to be better than him.

As I mentioned in another thread, just look at the way he spoke lovely things about all of them, even though they've done nothing but complain about him, call him every name in the book, and slag him off in every way possible. That's the difference between someone with class, and someone who needs to attend a few (classes).

The right person won CBB Summer 2014. If you don't like that fact, there's little you can do, and I'm laughing at you.

No one's going to bully ME.

Excellent. All the housemates, except for Audley, Frenchy, and maybe Claire, used the excuse that Gary's faults, most of them due to his disability, gave them the right to yell at him, humiliate him, and slag him off in perpetuity. If that were acceptable, can you imagine what life in a care home would be like? This was a social experiment and most of the HMs failed miserably, but the GBP got it right.

Patricia4 14-09-2014 01:36 PM

I bet deep down he's glad to get away from them all and I bet his wife will have something to say.
Dee wont change she is nasty all the way through you saw that on BOTT along with James.

Tip 14-09-2014 01:39 PM

The social experiment doesn't end until people stop debating and opining.

rusticgal 14-09-2014 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckyegg (Post 7267340)
This forum has been much more vile than any of the housemates. All I've heard for the last 3 weeks is disgusting comments about the housemates that are disliked. Kelly the bad ******, dee the fat sponger, and James the obvious homosexual. It's so easy to be vile behind the safety of your anonymity. All I can conclude is that the majority of you are daily star reading 12 year olds.

I agree that some people get a little bit insulting with name calling....but it's no good having a go at people then insulting them in your last sentance. Pot..kettle..black.

rusticgal 14-09-2014 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimist (Post 7267830)
As a Gary fan, I've never said he is perfect. I'm sure some of the issues brought up by other housemates had at least *some* truth to them.

However,

I found that in many cases, they were exaggerating, and sometimes outright lying, as when Dee denied calling Gary a bitter old man.

I fully understand that some of Gary's habits may have been hard to live with... but I still say when someone is that age, has had a brain injury and several surgeries, has a profound hearing problem, the best thing you can do for them is CUT THEM SOME SLACK. Life is difficult enough for someone in that condition. They don't need a bunch of heartless, selfish, immature and verbally abusive people getting on their case, ON TOP OF what they already have to deal with on a daily basis.

It's called understanding and compassion, people.

Elderly people sometimes lose control of their bodily functions. It comes with age. YOUR body will deteriorate over time, as well... Everyone's eventually does, and I can bet that at that time, you will want people to be understanding of what you're going through.

Gary took everything people said on board, and tried to meet their requirements. He clearly tried to make improvements once an issue was made clear to him.

Conversely, do you think for one moment that James would try to NOT act so pompous and better than everyone else, if he were asked to do so?

Do you think Dee would take criticism on board and try to change if she were told what was wrong with her? HELL NO.

Do you think "poor little" Leslie could be told all the things he does wrong, and then learn to appreciate the feedback and use it to improve himself?

Gary is MILES ahead of the rest of them, as far as self-awareness goes. And he's humble, not a braggart like the rest of them. He doesn't pretend to be better than the rest of them, but nearly all of them pretend to be better than him.

As I mentioned in another thread, just look at the way he spoke lovely things about all of them, even though they've done nothing but complain about him, call him every name in the book, and slag him off in every way possible. That's the difference between someone with class, and someone who needs to attend a few (classes).

The right person won CBB Summer 2014. If you don't like that fact, there's little you can do, and I'm laughing at you.

No one's going to bully ME.


Well said Ultimist.

kirklancaster 14-09-2014 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusticgal (Post 7268250)
I agree that some people get a little bit insulting with name calling....but it's no good having a go at people then insulting them in your last sentance. Pot..kettle..black.

Well said - Posters who live in glass houses shouldn't chuck eggs. :blush::hehe::wavey:

Cherie 14-09-2014 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy (Post 7268194)
May I ask those who want the Forum to be non descriptive, non opinionated and with no back and forth discussions about housemates faults, only their good points.

As you say, it is easy to slate the housemates behind a computer and also it is just as easy to take the moral high ground too.

I take the line of, if I don't like or agree with someone's opinions, I either give my fourpenneth in reply or ignore the posts from these posters.

I get fed up with those who say they don't like how the Forum is and keep moaning about it, they get on my nerves just as much. Why don't you take it all with a pinch of salt rather than act as if it should be something to look down on, join in if you want to or not as the case may be.

There are acceptable levels on Forums and consequences if they are breached.

These housemates are fully aware of what happens when they go into the BB house, they know that if they take the money there is a price to pay, so I do not feel any sympathy towards them.

The only way the public can have a say in what happens in and after going in the house, is public opinion which means that if housemates behave disgracefully as happened in this series and don't get much censure by BB, then when they come out to public opinion which is against them, it is far better than letting them get away with it.

I say, read what you agree or disagree with and avoid the rest, it is all rough and tumble in the long run and means little. In fact, I once posted on a political forum which was mainly older men and was amazed at the vitriol, sexism and bitterness they posted, I just posted my views and in the end found them repetative and boring and this wasn't a BB forum either.

By the way, I am not 12 years old or a Daily Star reader, but that didn't stop those taking the high ground from insulting me as a poster on here, did it? Think on.


Fantastic point I get really fed up of people complaining! It happens every series, there is an ignore feature and a report button, and if a particular poster annoys you just don't bother reading their posts, all this I'm afraid to speak out as I will get a barrage of abuse is nonsense, the mods regulate the forums well and deal with any rulebreaking by handing out bans

icecakes 14-09-2014 05:01 PM

[QUOTE=kirklancaster;7267547]"This forum has been much more vile than any of the housemates. All I've heard for the last 3 weeks is disgusting comments about the housemates that are disliked." --- The house-mates in question are disliked by the majority for valid reasons - their vile mistreatment and humiliation as a 'pack', of a defenceless, disabled and benign, solitary old man, as well as the abhorrent character traits they all personally shared; hypocrisy, lying and duplicity, to name a few.

They have been vile. This transcended any 'brinkmanship' or mischievous 'game-playing', it is in their nature. It is 'them', and being so, they have elicited anger and disgust in the majority of people who watched the show. Extreme action be-gets extreme reaction. If, I for one, have been vile and caustic in my comments about these turds, I make no apology, and the fact that they continued to conduct themselves in the same malevolent manner after the show had ended, reinforces my belief that I have nothing to apologise for. Where were their apologies to Gary Busey or Audley?

"It's so easy to be vile behind the safety of your anonymity." --- I only wish that I could have been in the house, because I would have stood up to these bullies, helped protect Gary Busey and supported Audley, and - unlike the vile scum you are defending - I would have repeated anything I have had to say about them to their face.

"All I can conclude is that the majority of you are daily star reading 12 year olds.!" --- I've never bought the Daily Star in my life - but I have a strong feeling it's the rag which Dee Kelley and a few of her cronies in the house might favour.

Those who elect to appear on these type of 'Reality' TV shows, do so for fame, fat fees, and other fortunes. By doing so, they become 'fair game' for those whose participation as viewers, ultimately pay for those 'fat fees'. If they choose to be vile and obnoxious during the time they are 'on show' to the viewing public, then they cannot complain when the viewers who are offended by that vile, obnoxious behaviour, become vile or obnoxious in their reactions. THEY are deserving of it, Gary Busey was not.

This post has been written by me by way of answering the points raised in Chuckyeggs post - it is my opinion, right or wrong, and is not meant to cause offence to any other forum member.

Take no notice,I agree with every thing you said,James and fat slag are bullys end of.:clap1::clap1:

calyman 14-09-2014 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckyegg (Post 7267340)
This forum has been much more vile than any of the housemates. All I've heard for the last 3 weeks is disgusting comments about the housemates that are disliked. Kelly the bad ******, dee the fat sponger, and James the obvious homosexual. It's so easy to be vile behind the safety of your anonymity. All I can conclude is that the majority of you are daily star reading 12 year olds.

Apart from having to read your offensive post, all I want to say is that you are wrong, end of story.
:notimpressed:

kirklancaster 14-09-2014 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calyman (Post 7268518)
Apart from having to read your offensive post, all I want to say is that you are wrong, end of story.
:notimpressed:

:thumbs::thumbs::clap1::clap1:

kirklancaster 14-09-2014 05:51 PM

[QUOTE=icecakes;7268459]
Quote:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7267547)
"This forum has been much more vile than any of the housemates. All I've heard for the last 3 weeks is disgusting comments about the housemates that are disliked." --- The house-mates in question are disliked by the majority for valid reasons - their vile mistreatment and humiliation as a 'pack', of a defenceless, disabled and benign, solitary old man, as well as the abhorrent character traits they all personally shared; hypocrisy, lying and duplicity, to name a few.

They have been vile. This transcended any 'brinkmanship' or mischievous 'game-playing', it is in their nature. It is 'them', and being so, they have elicited anger and disgust in the majority of people who watched the show. Extreme action be-gets extreme reaction. If, I for one, have been vile and caustic in my comments about these turds, I make no apology, and the fact that they continued to conduct themselves in the same malevolent manner after the show had ended, reinforces my belief that I have nothing to apologise for. Where were their apologies to Gary Busey or Audley?

"It's so easy to be vile behind the safety of your anonymity." --- I only wish that I could have been in the house, because I would have stood up to these bullies, helped protect Gary Busey and supported Audley, and - unlike the vile scum you are defending - I would have repeated anything I have had to say about them to their face.

"All I can conclude is that the majority of you are daily star reading 12 year olds.!" --- I've never bought the Daily Star in my life - but I have a strong feeling it's the rag which Dee Kelley and a few of her cronies in the house might favour.

Those who elect to appear on these type of 'Reality' TV shows, do so for fame, fat fees, and other fortunes. By doing so, they become 'fair game' for those whose participation as viewers, ultimately pay for those 'fat fees'. If they choose to be vile and obnoxious during the time they are 'on show' to the viewing public, then they cannot complain when the viewers who are offended by that vile, obnoxious behaviour, become vile or obnoxious in their reactions. THEY are deserving of it, Gary Busey was not.

This post has been written by me by way of answering the points raised in Chuckyeggs post - it is my opinion, right or wrong, and is not meant to cause offence to any other forum member.

Take no notice,I agree with every thing you said,James and fat slag are bullys end of.:clap1::clap1:

Thank you for the support. :thumbs::clap1::clap1:

rionablue 14-09-2014 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7268063)
So you knife someone and end a life but it's not as bad as someone else who knife's someone with more force and ends a life?:shrug::shrug::nono::nono:

That is a stupid comment kirk sorry. I haven't been all sweetness and light in the forums and neither have most people but personal insulting horrible posts about housemates are never right and some were vile. We cant all agree on here and we fight our corner for our housemates but some people take it too far. Using the terminology about knives is not warranted here

kirklancaster 14-09-2014 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rionablue (Post 7268637)
That is a stupid comment kirk sorry. I haven't been all sweetness and light in the forums and neither have most people but personal insulting horrible posts about housemates are never right and some were vile. We cant all agree on here and we fight our corner for our housemates but some people take it too far. Using the terminology about knives is not warranted here

I apologise Rionablue - I wasn't meaning it literally but metaphorically, but I could have put it better. :bawling::bawling:

calyman 14-09-2014 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7268883)
I apologise Rionablue - I wasn't meaning it literally but metaphorically, but I could have put it better. :bawling::bawling:

It's clear that you are a Gary fan and as such have just proven the lie to the claim made by the person who started the thread. You apologised for a post and accepted it was wrong.
Funnily enough, there's a scarcity of apologising and accepting being wrong from those who criticise Gary.

My summary is, some people accept and defend the abhorrent behaviour of bullies like James. Rikki, Edele, David, Stephanie and Dee (the gang of six), yet decide to take the moral high ground in criticising people who say seemingly disrespectful comments against the obvious bullies in the house.

In my view a repugnant, bullying human is such, regardless of whether they are a member of the public, or in the public eye. I have seen little evidence of the former, yet plenty of the latter.

rionablue 14-09-2014 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calyman (Post 7269462)
It's clear that you are a Gary fan and as such have just proven the lie to the claim made by the person who started the thread. You apologised for a post and accepted it was wrong.
Funnily enough, there's a scarcity of apologising and accepting being wrong from those who criticise Gary.

My summary is, some people accept and defend the abhorrent behaviour of bullies like James. Rikki, Edele, David, Stephanie and Dee (the gang of six), yet decide to take the moral high ground in criticising people who say seemingly disrespectful comments against the obvious bullies in the house.

In my view a repugnant, bullying human is such, regardless of whether they are a member of the public, or in the public eye. I have seen little evidence of the former, yet plenty of the latter.

He was apologising to me Calyman because I didn't like how he phrased his post which was in answer to a post I made. I am a Gary and Edele fan and was since the very start and I don't condone what the housemates said and did to Gary However I would not class Edele as a bully because even though she might have made a few snide remarks here and there she certainly took the time to talk to Gary and they had many nice chats together.

I didn't defend the behaviour of ANY OF the other housemates because I don't think they should have been defended. It was theirs to lose and they handed the winners crown to Gary on a golden platter the MINUTE they started criticising him just like Shilpa was handed it in her year. The main difference with Gary winning was that Gary himself was entertaining. I probably wouldn't have liked to live with him for the most of 4 weeks either 24 hours a day as his hygiene wasn't the best but they all got paid to go into that house so they should have bloody well been nicer.

Dee in particular was vicious in defeat and ignorant during Garys interviews but Edele never uttered that he SHOULDNT have won. She accepted that the public wanted him. There were times that Gary annoyed me just as there were times that Edele annoyed me but the hardest thing for me was here in these forums when a certain poster kept posting absolutely vile and sickening posts about a housemate who certainly certainly didn't DESERVE them. Up to the last week I was quite enjoying the forums. Unfortunately I didn't know about the ignore button otherwise I would have stuck around every day the final week. Anyway I hope to return to the forum in January as the BB and CBB forums are the only ones I participate in. Peace :wavey:

calyman 15-09-2014 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rionablue (Post 7269582)
He was apologising to me Calyman because I didn't like how he phrased his post which was in answer to a post I made. I am a Gary and Edele fan and was since the very start and I don't condone what the housemates said and did to Gary However I would not class Edele as a bully because even though she might have made a few snide remarks here and there she certainly took the time to talk to Gary and they had many nice chats together.

I didn't defend the behaviour of ANY OF the other housemates because I don't think they should have been defended. It was theirs to lose and they handed the winners crown to Gary on a golden platter the MINUTE they started criticising him just like Shilpa was handed it in her year. The main difference with Gary winning was that Gary himself was entertaining. I probably wouldn't have liked to live with him for the most of 4 weeks either 24 hours a day as his hygiene wasn't the best but they all got paid to go into that house so they should have bloody well been nicer.

Dee in particular was vicious in defeat and ignorant during Garys interviews but Edele never uttered that he SHOULDNT have won. She accepted that the public wanted him. There were times that Gary annoyed me just as there were times that Edele annoyed me but the hardest thing for me was here in these forums when a certain poster kept posting absolutely vile and sickening posts about a housemate who certainly certainly didn't DESERVE them. Up to the last week I was quite enjoying the forums. Unfortunately I didn't know about the ignore button otherwise I would have stuck around every day the final week. Anyway I hope to return to the forum in January as the BB and CBB forums are the only ones I participate in. Peace :wavey:

Hi rionablue, I knew kirklancaster was replying to you and accept the reason why. The mistake I did make was referring to the person who started this thread, being kirklancaster himself. I actually meant my post to be about chuckyegg's blanket statement. Sorry if this has caused any confusion.

:douf:


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