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arista 14-12-2015 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 7654373)



OK Fella
you are now free from this
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...37_964x523.jpg

bots 14-12-2015 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Santa (Post 8354642)
Indeed. You can't charge the woman with anything - or in my opinion, even assume that she IS lying - without proof. You just have to accept that the truth remains unknown.

If, for example, some concrete evidence for example was to come to light then it MIGHT be a different story - say for example, someone was accused of raping someone "last tuesday" but then CCTV footage of them at a hotel in another country every day that week was shown...

But not very often that you get things like that happening. The vast majority of rape accusations go without anyone ever being charged. Plenty of those will have been guilty men walking free. Like Neem, I'm not saying that this is what has happened in this case, just that it's simply untrue to say that it doesn't happen and like I said above - you just have to accept that the women MIGHT be lying, but still MIGHT NOT, and so definitely should not be punished for coming forward.

It would certainly be an interesting system if either the accused or accuser went to jail :laugh:

The woman would need to have been held in contempt of court if her testimony was deemed to be full of falsehood. Clearly that was not the case here.

I do like the system where there are 3 possible outcomes; Innocent, Guilty and not proven, but unfortunately not proven has now been associated with got off with it, so from a who sues who perspective, the clear either or choice is the only system that currently works.

empire 14-12-2015 06:54 PM

Remember what paul gambaccini said about the flypaper trap, him and jim davidson both said in there books, and it exposed what the police and the media where doing, because they are all sitting in the same room, everyone of those guys have been hounded, persecuted, and called everything, and I mean everything, the police have wasted public money, for a PR machine, their seems to be a culture of compensation, these days, because people will do anything for money, and even go this low for it, these guys have now had their lives ruined, and put through hell, because the police put up a website that says, have you been tapped on the bottom, or hugged by a celebrity, years ago, then we will believe you, and we will take him to court, the british public have this sick perversion in them to hear what the media tells them, I believe dj fox is a victim of the flypaper trap, these drumhead trials must stop, calum best was nearly thrown into the flytrap by a money grabber, who wanted more than just a few notes spread on the bed, I believe the future for celebs, is that their agents and PR teams will tell them not to hug or kiss, their fans, or put their arms around them for a photo, because it will lead to a false accusation, being made, and their is the price of a loony world we live in today,

lostalex 14-12-2015 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Elf On Strike (Post 8354730)
It would certainly be an interesting system if either the accused or accuser went to jail :laugh:

The woman would need to have been held in contempt of court if her testimony was deemed to be full of falsehood. Clearly that was not the case here.

I do like the system where there are 3 possible outcomes; Innocent, Guilty and not proven, but unfortunately not proven has now been associated with got off with it, so from a who sues who perspective, the clear either or choice is the only system that currently works.


but even if that was the case, ACTUALLY raping someone is still a million times worse than lying about someone raping you.

I don't like how some people seem to be implying that being accused of rape is just as bad as actually BEING raped. because it;s not. it's not even in the same universe.

Niamh. 14-12-2015 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8354884)
but even if that was the case, ACTUALLY raping someone is still a million times worse than lying about someone raping you.



I don't like how some people seem to be implying that being accused of rape is just as bad as actually BEING raped. because it;s not. it's not even in the same universe.


The two aren't comparable but one thing they do have in common is they can both ruin a persons life

Crimson Dynamo 14-12-2015 07:47 PM

well done Foxy

Johnnyuk123 14-12-2015 08:09 PM

Foxy now for Strictly Come Dancing. Obviously the foxtrot.

the truth 14-12-2015 08:38 PM

he doesn't look well....lets hope he sues these lying scumbags for a fortune

empire 14-12-2015 08:50 PM

From what I heard in the news, there where alot of female obsessed fans who where a bit nutty, they camped outside the studio, even followed him home, and yes stalked him, it raises questions about why this was brought to court, some of them seem madly in love with him, but he rejected them, I think some of them need professional help,

Johnnyuk123 14-12-2015 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by empire (Post 8355006)
From what I heard in the news, there where alot of female obsessed fans who where a bit nutty, they camped outside the studio, even followed him home, and yes stalked him, it raises questions about why this was brought to court, some of them seem madly in love with him, but he rejected them, I think some of them need professional help,

And the men who stalked him too.

the truth 14-12-2015 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by empire (Post 8355006)
From what I heard in the news, there where alot of female obsessed fans who where a bit nutty, they camped outside the studio, even followed him home, and yes stalked him, it raises questions about why this was brought to court, some of them seem madly in love with him, but he rejected them, I think some of them need professional help,

trouble is that wastes even more millions of tax payers money

Heres a snippet from the long suffering innocent jim Davidson, falsely accused by a pack of gold digging liars who got off unnamed unashamed and unimprisoned...jim lost 100s of thousands of pounds, 2 years of his career, reputation in tatters life destroyed


"It was once that in merry old England you got a fair trial. Not any more. In their rush to increase the conviction rate, the government of the day, with David (himself the subject of sex scandal) Blunkett as the Justice Minister, decided to breach Article 6 of the Human Rights Act 1998, by taking away the presumption of innocence. This was achieved in subtle fashion by taking away the warning to Juries, "about the dangers of convicting a person on the unsupported say so of of a claimant." Thus, any person making a gold-digging [false] claim of abuse, will be believed, because the trial judge has not told them differently. After that little ruse and other amendments in the Sexual Offences Act 2003, the conviction rate soared - filling our prisons with many innocent men in the process. Did you say "prats?", If you did, we tend to agree. So come on all you claimants, why not accuse a politician of giving you one up the rear? Give them a taste of their own medicine. There is no need for proof and it won't matter if when they inspect your anal passage that they find no evidence of trauma - believe us, that will be put down to some incredible healing power. Bull****! But that is what is happening out there today. It's true."



When it come to historical allegations, there is almost no chance of mounting a defence. Any witnesses to provide an alibi will long since have forgotten about dates and times. Your own diaries will have been thrown away and other information such as telephone bills, etc, will be long gone.

lostalex 14-12-2015 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by empire (Post 8355006)
From what I heard in the news, there where alot of female obsessed fans who where a bit nutty, they camped outside the studio, even followed him home, and yes stalked him, it raises questions about why this was brought to court, some of them seem madly in love with him, but he rejected them, I think some of them need professional help,

are you saying that if a girl loves a boy she can't be raped by the boy she loved? do you know that the vast majority of rapes happen from a man that a girl trusts?

mot rapes hoopoe between a woman and a man that she trusts. most rapes happen from a husband raping his wife or a boyfriend raping his girlfriend.

people still have this silly idea that rapes happen in dark parking lots, or back alleys, but it's not true. a woman is most likely to be raped in her own bed by someone she trusts.

so what if they were stupid and naive, do stupid and naive people deserve to be raped?

this man is a celebrity, and many women felt like they could trust him, or like they knew him, the way we all feel like we know celebrities.

empire 15-12-2015 01:35 AM

even jimmy tarbuck, got the trick treatment, a woman said that he and his road managers, sexually assaulted her in his dressing room on top of the pops, in london, in 1963, but most people will know, that TOTP, started in 1964, and the studio was in the city of manchester, for three years, and tarbuck never appeared on the show, this was backed up by records and people who worked on the show, this person got the city, year, studio address, wrong, and the police failed to catch on, for nearly 12 months, jim davidson like tarbuck, and others, got police raids at 5am in the morning, with 14 officers and yes, the media standing near their homes, then the mock trial begains, with computers, and other things taken away, in plastic boxes, the police say that they can't crack down on crime, but they seem to have the manpower to do a PR maneuver to do this for along time.


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