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Kyle 20-10-2014 11:05 AM
And let's get one thing clear.

'This is why I hate atheists'

Notice nobody has kicked off about that.

Now imagine if Leather Trumpet had said 'this is why I hate Christians' :think:

Crimson Dynamo 20-10-2014 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo (Post 7331371)
The things about believing is that that's why those that believe are called believers or are said to have faith it's because things were never meant to conform to what people deem normal or "accurate". Like the Virgin Mary thing, everyday people would say how is this even accurate, you need to have sex to become pregnant simple as that. But the person with a sense of faith or belief will believe the story of Mary. Let it be you can believe in science and lone evolution of the brain if you want but stop attacking people that want to have faith and want to believe that there is something bigger than us vile cretins walking this polluted planet.


But yes without looking it up, name me some events (not jesus, or mary) that happened, an inspirational poem, some of the events revealed in the book of revelations stating the end is nigh.
I have to recite a poem from Psalms from memory? :shrug:

I would hope that all believers at least have read Psalm 118 however

and I have read revelation and indeed studied it briefly at Bible study ( which is more than I would imagine 90% of believers and its incomprehensible babble - its as dull as listening to a friend recount some long dream they had).

T* 20-10-2014 11:08 AM
this is basically the meaning of life thread 2.0

Crimson Dynamo 20-10-2014 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Kyle (Post 7331393)
And let's get one thing clear.

'This is why I hate atheists'

Notice nobody has kicked off about that.

Now imagine if Leather Trumpet had said 'this is why I hate Christians' :think:
It stems from the standard line "oh why dost thou attack me so for my beliefs"

and that stems from the old idea that we should respect and not question religion

Thankfully this is on its last legs at least in the UK but then have a wee look at Islam.....

Liam- 20-10-2014 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Kyle (Post 7331393)
And let's get one thing clear.

'This is why I hate atheists'

Notice nobody has kicked off about that.

Now imagine if Leather Trumpet had said 'this is why I hate Christians' :think:
He probably would have been banned.
Another reason why the majority of religious people are hypocrites, despise people ridiculing their beliefs, but see fit to dismiss others and ridicule them for theirs.

Kyle 20-10-2014 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom! (Post 7331396)
this is basically the meaning of life thread 2.0
Yep. I left that thread cos I didn't wanna get banned. Oh well. Was nice knowing y'all.

Ithinkiloveyoutoo 20-10-2014 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by LiamPRW (Post 7331398)
He probably would have been banned.
Another reason why the majority of religious people are hypocrites, despise people ridiculing their beliefs, but see fit to dismiss others and ridicule them for theirs.
You THINK you are ridiculing their belief, but we understand that if you're but a mere earthling you would simplify things with "logic" from down huurr, anything more is too much for your little earthling brain to get. :devil:

And I totally understand that a lot of Atheists are people that began by reading the bible then looked at the world and read the words and nothing added up or made sense. I get it. Life is ****ty, things are much easier if we take control and make things make sense rather than believing in words that were written by some randoms thousands of years ago based on events around that timer rather than modern times. I get it.

T* 20-10-2014 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Kyle (Post 7331407)
And this is the last thing I'll say before this turns into that cluster**** we had before.

I don't really think anyone would have critiqued waterhog's belief's had he not written them down as a definitive statement in the op and thread title. 'don't you know Jesus loves you'.

Believe what you want, honestly it's fine. But if you start bleating your mouth off about how this is this and that is that I don't know how you can't expect a rebuttal. If you really believe what you believe you should be prepared to defend it when you start laying it out at everybody. That's the fundamental difference in my opinion.
:clap1:

Marsh. 20-10-2014 11:34 AM
Also, nobody's saying you can't question religion. Question it to your hearts content but ridiculing someone/people who believes differently isn't the same thing.

Kyle 20-10-2014 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7331413)
Also, nobody's saying you can't question religion. Question it to your hearts content but ridiculing someone/people who believes differently isn't the same thing.
Then that should stop. You believe, I don't believe. Shake hands done.

Kyle 20-10-2014 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom! (Post 7331408)
:clap1:
I'll also add that I deleted the post that you quoted and not the mods. I deleted it because I got the context of the thread title wrong, it was a woman who made that statement not him although he does confirm it is his belief too later on.

lostalex 20-10-2014 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo (Post 7331358)
This is why I can't stand Atheists. They think they are above everyone and smarter than everyone and yet come out with something stupid like the big bang theory is why we're all here or the monkey evolution.
I'm not claiming i'm the most religious but...you know what I don't actually want to talk about religion.
the difference is, most atheists don't beg for money every Sunday!

We never ask for a god damn thing when we tell you our opinions, unlike your church, which tells you you have to pay them, and follow them and support them.

we don't ask for a god damn thing, do we?!

we don't ask for a percentage of your income just to hear our opinions, we don't ask you for payment to be part of our club.

get it right.

Ithinkiloveyoutoo 20-10-2014 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7331426)
the difference is, most atheists don't beg for money every Sunday!

We never ask for a god damn thing when we tell you our opinions, unlike your church, which tells you you have to pay them, and follow them and support them.

we don't ask for a god damn thing, do we?!

we don't ask for a percentage of your income just to hear our opinions, we don't ask you for payment to be part of our club.

get it right.
:sleep:

Can we please stop?

It's much deeper than just asking for money to hear opinions.


Can this thread be closed please. :(

Crimson Dynamo 20-10-2014 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo (Post 7331430)
:sleep:

Can we please stop?

It's much deeper than just asking for money to hear opinions.


Can this thread be closed please. :(
Rather than cut and run why not explain to people why you believe in the things you do?

After all you are logged into a discussion forum.....

Kyle 20-10-2014 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo (Post 7331430)
:sleep:

Can we please stop?

It's much deeper than just asking for money to hear opinions.


Can this thread be closed please. :(
Sorry but that's not your call to make. If you don't like what you see log off, punch a wall, come back on and ignore it.

That's what I do.

Liam- 20-10-2014 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo (Post 7331405)
You THINK you are ridiculing their belief, but we understand that if you're but a mere earthling you would simplify things with "logic" from down huurr, anything more is too much for your little earthling brain to get. :devil:

And I totally understand that a lot of Atheists are people that began by reading the bible then looked at the world and read the words and nothing added up or made sense. I get it. Life is ****ty, things are much easier if we take control and make things make sense rather than believing in words that were written by some randoms thousands of years ago based on events around that timer rather than modern times. I get it.
Difference being, i don't ridicule people for believing in things that i don't.. but lets look at it this way, if i said you believed in religion because you're a brain washed soldier of the masses, would that offend you? It probably would, so don't carry on as if people who don't believe in religion are stupid and less worthy than people who are religious, it's just as bad as people mocking your beliefs.

Crimson Dynamo 20-10-2014 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7331413)
Also, nobody's saying you can't question religion. Question it to your hearts content but ridiculing someone/people who believes differently isn't the same thing.
How would you define ridicule?

lostalex 20-10-2014 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7331436)
How would you define ridicule?
the flying dog in your ava is adorable and ridiculous . but i'm not gonna worship it, or give money to it every sunday.

Ithinkiloveyoutoo 20-10-2014 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7331433)
Rather than cut and run why not explain to people why you believe in the things you do?

After all you are logged into a discussion forum.....
Because I don't have the energy. I've got so many things on my mind and so many applications to go through today. I'm burned. :laugh:

But my belief started when I was wee. I was always sick in and out of hospitals and doctors gave me weeks to live. My parents, who weren't believers at the time say I randomly wrote a letter to Jesus to please heal me and I lived and I've had some faith since.

I'm not the judgmental type though like those that that say this is how you should live, doing this is wrong etc....I understand it's much easier not to believe as well than to believe.

lostalex 20-10-2014 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo (Post 7331438)
Because I don't have the energy. I've got so many things on my mind and so many applications to go through today. I'm burned. :laugh:

But my belief started when I wee. I was always sick in and out of hospitals and doctors gave me weeks to live. My parents, who weren't believers at the time say I randomly wrote a letter to Jesus to please heal me and I lived and I've had some faith since.

I'm not the judgmental type though like those that that say this is how you should live, doing this is wrong etc....I understand it's much easier not to believe as well than to believe.
you are wrong. it's much easer to believe the religious nonsense, cause then you don't have to fear death, and you don't have to form opinions of your own. you can just accept what you are told, and believe you will live peacefully in happiness in HEAVEN when you die. That is far easier than actually having to face your own moriality, and thinking about loosing your loved ones, and contemplating the idea of oblivion. nothingness. could you handle the possibility that everything in this life is actually meaningless? do you understand the concept of oblivion?

Ithinkiloveyoutoo 20-10-2014 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by LiamPRW (Post 7331435)
Difference being, i don't ridicule people for believing in things that i don't.. but lets look at it this way, if i said you believed in religion because you're a brain washed soldier of the masses, would that offend you? It probably would, so don't carry on as if people who don't believe in religion are stupid and less worthy than people who are religious, it's just as bad as people mocking your beliefs.
No it doesn't offend.

100% nobody is less worthy if they don't believe.:nono:

Infact, from some Christians point of view you are the ones that God seeks out for the most. There's the saying like if there's a flock of sheep and one runs, does the shepherd not go out of his way to find that one that is lost rather than staying with those that are safe.

Kyle 20-10-2014 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo (Post 7331442)
No it doesn't offend.

100% nobody is less worthy if they don't believe.:nono:

Infact, from some Christians point of view you are the ones that God seeks out for the most. There's the saying like if there's a flock of sheep and one runs, does the shepherd not go out of his way to find that one that his lost rather than staying with those that are safe.
So what do you believe will happen to the likes of me and Liam when we die?

Where do we go?

Crimson Dynamo 20-10-2014 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo (Post 7331442)
No it doesn't offend.

100% nobody is less worthy if they don't believe.:nono:

Infact, from some Christians point of view you are the ones that God seeks out for the most. There's the saying like if there's a flock of sheep and one runs, does the shepherd not go out of his way to find that one that is lost rather than staying with those that are safe.
No the shepherd pens the sheep and goes off after the other one or uses his quadbike. Or a better shepherd does not loose any sheep in the first place

Marsh. 20-10-2014 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7331426)
the difference is, most atheists don't beg for money every Sunday!

We never ask for a god damn thing when we tell you our opinions, unlike your church, which tells you you have to pay them, and follow them and support them.

we don't ask for a god damn thing, do we?!

we don't ask for a percentage of your income just to hear our opinions, we don't ask you for payment to be part of our club.

get it right.
The vast majority of Christians don't ask for money.

You also don't pay any money to enter a church or attend mass.

You can place a small donation in a bowl if you choose, but don't if you don't want to.

Making out churches are some place where the priests are raking in the cash is absurd.

No payment required to be a Christian. Atheism isn't a "club" either.

Ithinkiloveyoutoo 20-10-2014 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7331440)
you are wrong. it's much easer to believe the religious nonsense, cause then you don't have to fear death, and you don't have to form opinions of your own. you can just accept what you are told, and believe you will live peacefully in happiness in HEAVEN when you die. That is far easier than actually having to face your own moriality, and thinking about loosing your loved ones, and contemplating the idea of oblivion. nothingness. could you handle the possibility that everything in this life is actually meaningless? do you understand the concept of oblivion?
Actually for me personally I would much rather like to think that we just end when we die end of story.

I don't think a lot of people go into religion just for the eternal life it's much deeper than that. They are looking for more than what the world has to offer.

Crimson Dynamo 20-10-2014 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7331450)
The vast majority of Christians don't ask for money.

You also don't pay any money to enter a church or attend mass.

You can place a small donation in a bowl if you choose, but don't if you don't want to.

Making out churches are some place where the priests are raking in the cash is absurd.

No payment required to be a Christian. Atheism isn't a "club" either.
Listen when that velvet bag goes round I know people just love to donate and not make a chink, ie in goes the folding and the shame of those who chink. Also the looks of death to those who pass the bag by...

Marsh. 20-10-2014 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7331436)
How would you define ridicule?
The same way it's written in the dictionary.

lostalex 20-10-2014 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo (Post 7331453)
Actually for me personally I would much rather like to think that we just end when we die end of story.
you will not be disappointed then. good for you.

Marsh. 20-10-2014 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7331454)
Listen when that velvet bag goes round I know people just love to donate and not make a chink, ie in goes the folding and the shame of those who chink. Also the looks of death to those who pass the bag by...
Well we don't have a velvet bag. There's a bowl at the back of the church for people to donate as and when they like.

Each time I pass it's full of loose change and bits that people can lose or buy candles.

To suggest you are "charged" to be a Christian or that churches are raking in cash from parishioners is laughably absurd.

Crimson Dynamo 20-10-2014 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7331456)
The same way it's written in the dictionary.
yes but in relation to this debate. It is very difficult to not be seen to ridicule someone who is a creationist as we seen to have here :shrug:

Ithinkiloveyoutoo 20-10-2014 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyle (Post 7331444)
So what do you believe will happen to the likes of me and Liam when we die?

Where do we go?
Not for me to judge. I told you i'm not the judgmental type. The god works in mysterious ways thing is real in the sense even all those pastors and priests that have spent their life reading the bible still don't have everything sussed.

Marsh. 20-10-2014 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7331461)
yes but in relation to this debate. It is very difficult to not be seen to ridicule someone who is a creationist as we seen to have here :shrug:
Pardon?

Disagreeing with religion or believing something different isn't ridiculing. Lostalex's methods of belittling Christians and insulting them is ridicule.

lostalex 20-10-2014 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7331450)
The vast majority of Christians don't ask for money.

You also don't pay any money to enter a church or attend mass.

You can place a small donation in a bowl if you choose, but don't if you don't want to.

Making out churches are some place where the priests are raking in the cash is absurd.

No payment required to be a Christian. Atheism isn't a "club" either.
funny, you don't see many homeless priests... actually they seem to dress quite well. and none of them work. how many Christian leaders pay their own way without asking for any donations? How many Churches has GOD built? oh yea, none.

How many ****ING DISEASES HAS GOD CURED?

NONE.

how many tears has God dried?

none.

Marsh. 20-10-2014 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7331464)
funny, you don't see many homeless priests... actually they seem to dress quite well. and none of them work. how many Christian leaders pay their own way without asking for any donations? How many Churches has GOD built? oh yea, none.
Clue is in the word "donations". Are you forced to make donations? No. Of the donations that are made, is it a lot of money? No, not at all.

Do priests live a life of luxury? No, not really.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7331464)
How many ****ING DISEASES HAS GOD CURED?

NONE.
Oh dear. An angry atheist.

T* 20-10-2014 12:19 PM
well this is a mess

Crimson Dynamo 20-10-2014 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7331463)
Pardon?

Disagreeing with religion or believing something different isn't ridiculing. Lostalex's methods of belittling Christians and insulting them is ridicule.
I dont think he is belittling, he is just frustrated (as we all are) with the "god works in mysterious ways" argument and the "stop bashing religion" argument as we never actually get any defense apart from the above.

:shrug:

Liam- 20-10-2014 12:20 PM
Trust Alex to make this another messy thread :laugh:

Marsh. 20-10-2014 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7331468)
I dont think he is belittling, he is just frustrated (as we all are) with the "god works in mysterious ways" argument and the "stop bashing religion" argument as we never actually get any defense apart from the above.

:shrug:
No. He started the discussion with "atheists study religion far more than Christians. What does that tell you about Christians?" is immediately belittling them before a debate has even started.

Atheists being frustrated that believers can't convince them why they believe is a bit of a ridiculous notion don't you think?

lostalex 20-10-2014 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7331466)
Clue is in the word "donations". Are you forced to make donations? No. Of the donations that are made, is it a lot of money? No, not at all.

Do priests live a life of luxury? No, not really.



Oh dear. An angry atheist.
you don't think that churches prey upon the vulnerable? you don't think that churches manipulate people into giving them money? listen to yourself bro. LISTEN TO YOURSELF.

Crimson Dynamo 20-10-2014 12:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7331466)
Clue is in the word "donations". Are you forced to make donations? No. Of the donations that are made, is it a lot of money? No, not at all.

Do priests live a life of luxury? No, not really.



Oh dear. An angry atheist.
at least angry atheists dont murder thousands like angry gods do


:hehe:


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