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hey sexy:hehe:, (niamh smiles) cant argue with the truth!:laugh:

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I will use protection - I will take Carl Froch and David Haye along.:hehe:

You are right. It's got nothing to do with men thinking they're better than woman - this, like a lot of other deductions in the article could not be more wrong.

The ‘handshake’ is a universally recognised act of cordiality, friendship, sincerity, and numerous other ‘positives’, and is a custom dating back as far as 6,000 BC.

Despite these positives, however, the origins of the handshake did not originate among ‘friends’ - as would seem logical – but between ‘strangers’.

In ancient times, whenever two strangers approached each other on say, a lonely road, each would do so with paranoia, fear, suspicion that the other may attack. Because of this fear, they would often have hands on swords ready to draw them, and would give each other a wide berth until they’d passed.

Over time, strangers in such a situation began to hold out their right arms – away from their swords to show that they had no harmful intent to draw them. This practice developed into a fleeting handshake as two strangers passed each other, then into the firm deliberate handshakes we use now.

In this crazy, fecked up modern world, strangers are just as paranoid, fearful and suspicious of each other – if not more so. Yes, I know there are pscho’s out there, but it’s not encounters on lonely country lanes where someone could be forgiven for feeling apprehensive, which I’m referring to here – I’m talking about ordinary people in general.

Just watch people of all ages walking past each other on the street – heads down, or staring straight ahead with frowns on their faces. Watch them in bus queues or better still, in crowded doctor’s waiting rooms, where they all sit in self-conscious silence, staring down at the floor, up at the ceiling – anywhere but at each other. Even waiting couples irrationally talk to each other in embarrassed whispers.

Well Kyle is correct. A warm smile, a friendly comment or cheery remark whilst passing strangers is nothing more than an unconscious ‘disarming’ tactic – the modern day equivalent of the ‘open hand, arm away from sword’ ‘I mean you no harm’ gesture of ancient times.

The manner in which different people react to such cordial greetings/comments actually says more about them than the person making these innocuous remarks, because such remarks are often met with ignorant stony silence or even hostile looks.

I will stress again, that I am not referring to the boorish catcalling by yobbo cretins or nut-jack 'stalkers', but to normal innocuous greetings or comments by normal people.

If a normal man tells a passing woman she is beautiful - then I feel she ought to accept the compliment without whipping out her copy of 'Freud's Theories On Psychoanalysis' or suspecting sinister motives. Similarly, if some guy (or woman) starts a conversation with someone in a queue while waiting at a bus stop, it doesn't mean he's a crank.

When a beautiful woman tells me that I'm still devilishly handsome (and they do) I don't suspect ulterior motives....


...............I just pat her guide dog and thank her. :hehe::hehe::hehe:

@Toy Soldier,

I put emphasis on the equality of sexes. So it would be a feminist issue as well..

Gaston is not the ideal in fact I see him as the modern day 'sted head' thick, arrogant an artificially pumped up narcissist.

The dictionary definition of feminism and the realities of feminist activism are worlds apart. A huge number of modern feminists, and a large amount of modern feminist activity, is centred around the stereotyping and often vilification of males. This can be either blatant - some feminist movements are proudly proclaiming that women should "rule the world" - or just inherent.

Take the "all about the bass" song, for example. It's hailed as a positive message about body image, a feminist message etc... But then there's this line:

"boys like a little more booty to hold at nightttt"

Err, do we? Do all boys like a little more booty? Who is she to tell us what we do and don't like, exactly? If a man was singing a song and included lines about what all women like / want wouldn't not be considered by many to be arrogantly misogynistic?

There is a double standard in modern feminism that has nothing to do with the dictionary definition, and certainly nothing to do with equality. There is an element (a large element) that is firmly focused on female supremacy, and that element is no better than any patriarchy.

Gaston is a dick, we can all agree on that, but my point was purely based on the physical distortions of what is actually possible. A lot of people were focussing on the fact that belle's waist in some scenes is smaller than her head and promotes distorted body image. I'm merely pointing out that, in the same way, gaston is indeed roughly the size of a barge, with literally impossible body proportions that promote exactly the same distorted body image for men. Moving away from that - all Disney men are not only well built / ripped (like alladin, smaller, but with washboard abs on display) but usually either impossibly charming or rich to boot.

Take Frozen, for example... Kristoff was widely applauded for being a more "realistic" love interest but, let's face it, the guy is still pretty hench, lugging around ice blocks and rock trolls. Next to Anna, he's still built like a brick ****house.

... I know far too much Disney. Can you tell I have two girls? Haha...

Wouldnt say this was harrasment at all tbh. But the guy following her and the 'am i ugly' guy were utter creeps :umm2:

I noticed a lot of the comments were made BECAUSE she just blanked the original comment too..

This thread makes me sad, more outrage @ this sexism please. It was misogynistic harassment, and people thinking it isn't only solidify the misogyny. It has nothing to do even do with the content of the messages, it is the fact that society allows men the belief that they have the right to ogle women in public, that women in public are open to men's views and desires, and that when women react negatively to this uninvited harassment they are bitches. The woman who made this video had closed-off body behavior which should make it clear to anyone with a brain that she isn't in the mood for this ****. And lmao @ people whining about men receiving similar treatment, bull****. People like to make things tit-for-tat, finding a way to turn sexism targeted at women into sexism targeted at men no matter the facts. I walked around the streets of downtown Manhattan for hours and hours (got lost oops) and looked FANTASTIC, like, I really had it going on that day, got zero catcalls from women or gay men. Meanwhile my aging mother in boring work clothes gets catcalled on the reg in a rural town of ~8,000 people when she walks down main street. And whether a catcall is deemed "creepy" or "complimentary," it is all creepy because it's patriarchal objectification of women. And this woman has got rape threats and so much sexist vitriol from this which just proves her point even more.

Calling someone beautiful or asking how their evening is has now now become sexual harassment. If they were forcing her to give her number or touching her up then yeah, but that's just being nice to a woman you happen to find attractive. There were a couple weird dudes though.

Anyway, it says it all when they recorded for 10 hours and this was the footage they could get.

This was over 10 hours... if you are good looking then obviously someone is going to pass comment, I don't see the prob. The guy following her for 5 mins was different that was freaky :/

The problem. It isn't obvious, it's a learned behavior for men to invade women's personal space because they have the audacity to be in public or worse be in public and be attractive. We need to teach boys more respect for women and women more respect for themselves, this is totally unacceptable and the fact that most people are so nonchalant or even aggressively misogynistic about it is so telling about society. It may not seem like a huge deal to have men catcalling women but it shows that women in public spaces are there for men's viewing pleasure when they actually just have places to go and **** to do? This attitude contributes to rape culture and cannot be tolerated.

If you don't see that women (and the media) also objectify men, and fairly frequently, then you are part of the problem. Not the solution. The question that needs asking is, is it OK for a person - any person - to be objectified without consent. Which set of genitals someone happens to have is, or should be, completely irrelevant. THAT is equality.

When I was a student I literally can't tell you how many times I had girls that I didn't know grope my arse while I was stood ordering a drink at the bar. On one occasion, a completely random girl had two of her friends grab me and hold my arms while she stuck her tongue in my face.

If that happened to a girl... Well. Just saying.

Just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen?

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There are obviously problems that men face, but they do not compare to women's. I never said that men didn't face problems because of their sex, as I face PLENTY of discrimination as a male who doesn't conform to gender roles and yadda yadda. But good job exemplifying my point about men always making misogyny somehow about male oppression. Because I pointed out the blatant sexism this woman experienced, all of a sudden I'm discounting men's experiences? And lmao at me possibly being part of the problem of sexism directed against anyone, thank **** I exist to help point out this bull****.

Complete bollocks.

What makes the sexual harassment of women more serious than the sexual harassment of men? what a ridiculous thing to say.

" There are obviously problems that men face, but they do not compare to women's"

You are indeed sexist. Sorry.

i bet you hear this all the time:hehe:

I never said that it didn't. When men and women are sexually assaulted it is obviously equally heinous. The point is that women face a much higher risk of sexual assault and are often blamed for dressing or acting provocatively while the boys will be boys excuse is applied to the perpetrators. Rape culture as a whole is a much greater threat to women than it is to men, and if you can't accept that you're not living in reality. Even from school age on rape culture is ingrained in children (at least here in America) where girls are banned from wearing revealing clothing like shorts and skirts or even showing bra straps, because boys just can't help but be distracted by these seductresses :rolleyes: we are taught that women in public places are objects for men's attentions which is a big reason why we have rampant sex crimes against women... it is what everyone is taught since school!

You are indeed ignorant of the world in which you live. Wake the **** up.

If gay men did this to straight men everyday, if gay men harassed straight men the way that straight men harass women, all gay men would be rounded up and put into concentration camps.

I'm not saying all straight men should be put in concentration camps, but i would understand why if they were.

Think about all the straight guys that are paranoid about gay men in locker rooms, omg, they might look at me!!, meanwhile straight men are doing this to women everyday out on the streets. hypocrites.

Yeah I would prob support that

what do you mean IF it happened to a girl?

It happens to girls hundreds of times per day in this world. the difference is how threatened did you actually feel? how much terror? and did you actually feel that you were in real danger ever? no, so it's not comparable.

Stop comparing your tiny pea nuts to apples.

I wouldn't discount their experience based on their gender, that's just as wrong as minimizing sex crimes against anyone. Overall women are in much greater danger of sexual assault and are in a male-dominated culture with a lot of men that feel entitled to gawk at and objectify women (catcalling just being one example of this.) But that doesn't mean that when it does happen to men it is less threatening or traumatic.

That's a fair point.

And I would counter that you clearly have absolutely no concept of the forces in this world that truly fire the neo-feminist movement or their motivations, and just how little those forces care about everyday women, or men, or any hint of equality of any kind.

If I am asleep, you are blind, deaf, dumb and comatose. "wake up", indeed. You've barely even escaped the womb :facepalm:.

That it happens to women plenty was entirely my point. Perhaps I should have said "when" rather than "if" - my point being, WHEN it happens to women, people are horrified and I have no doubt any male perpetrators would be swiftly ejected from most clubs. When it happens to men, people find it cute / hilarious.

I can't say I'm bothered by people touching my arse but the latter incident was fairly unpleasant. I have recently, within the last year or so, been diagnosed with low-level asbergers and in my teens that essentially manifested as moderate social anxiety that I was VERY good at hiding behind a mask of false confidence / cool headedness. I laughed and joked all night with my friends about being face-raped. In reality it set off my social anxiety massively and I was indeed quite shaken.

But that's not "manly", is it? No no. Men don't mind random girls all over them. We love it, don't we? Because we're manly men who are brave and hypersexual! Arrrrr.


... And holding these beliefs are what makes you sexist. Against men. And me, as a teenager, playing along and pretending that it didn't bother me is what made me oppressed. Men are oppressed too. Men are handed sexist expectation, of ruggedness, of manliness, of bravery, by the bucketload every day. They are different sorts of expectations to those placed on women but anyone who believes it's all plain sailing is utterly blind.

Here's a conundrum for you: half of the men catcalling women on the street wouldn't be doing it if they weren't trying to impress their buddies or make them laugh / "for banter". Men (men of lower intelligence, to be blunt) feel like they are expected to do these things because of the sexist gender roles APPLIED TO THEM by the same society that simultaneously oppresses women and encourages militant feminism.

Ask yourself why. Ask yourself what happens to the entities that manipulate us en masse through their controlled media if we were all to ACTUALLY Unite under a banner of true equality. Ask yourself why they ****ing want us all at each other's throats distracted by petty pop-feminism.

Then you might truly wake up.

How dare that bastard say "Good morning". :fist: Sexist pig!

-gives up on society-

That's sexist! :mad:

Here's another fun fact: when polled with the question "have you ever been abused by a partner", hardly any men said yes, whereas several women said yes.

When the question is changed to "have you ever been struck by a partner hard enough to bruise or draw blood" the results are basically 50/50.

Men are under societal pressure not to admit to or report domestic abuse, even though it is a huge problem, because of the stigma that admitting that (even to themselves) would cause.

Most men also report being too scared to fight back or even properly defend themselves because of how that might be perceived.


Ignoring issues like these completely destroys any hope of true equality. Something that I genuinely believe in, by the way. Men and women are indeed unequal in many ways - to the benefit and detriment of both in different circumstances. That is what needs to be addressed. And that is why I despise the modern feminist movement and fully believe that all it will ever achieve is gender division and further inequalities.

Brilliantly said, TS...

If Fedoras had a smell this topic would reek of them.

Women are a lot more likely to suffer a sexual attack in their lifetimes then men which can make these catcalls a lot more intimidating for them. Granted most of them are innocent but it's still could be intimidating for the person involved. Victims of rape are often vilified too and are forced to fight for justice and, when they do seek justice, they'll be put on trial just as much as their rapist. When you look at pretty much all walks of life, women have it harder then men, women are often villainised while men are glorified for the same actions.

People who spout crap like 'lol women's rights WHAT ABOUT MEN'S RIGHTS?!' remind me very much of people in America who say 'If there's a black history month then why isn't there a white history month?' It's ignorant and self-entitled. As men, we are are lucky because we'll never have to deal with half the **** a woman has to deal with in their lifetimes.

Interesting reading through the opinions in this thread so far. I'm of the same opinion at TS .

Where was this 'fun fact' obtained?

This discussion has nothing to do with abusive relationships and is an entirely different debate. I see the tenuous link in which you suggest women are entirely capable of harassment and or abuse and yes they are, it's the pecentages involved that are different.
It's not even a question of public perception as it's not socially acceptable for women to cat call men either in the main it's seen as rather cheap and brazen.
Men's physique is shown in a different way to womens too, whereas women are sexualised men are shown as being good specimens of manhood, broad shoulders, defined muscles that are attractive as they would be considered a good mate in a primitive sense.

I can't even deal with some of the **** i have read in this thread.. i should have stopped reading when i saw Alex join in and mention concentration camps for straight men, why do i do this to myself?

lol Liam... sometimes you have to just step away from the thread and count to ten... Trust me, I've been doing this since 2005 :thumbs:

It's just ridiculous, in one breath equality is the main goal and in the next, mens worries or dangers are less than that of a woman, it's ridiculous and frankly, insulting.

TS for PM TBH