Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 7431438)

Yes

Cuz of their lack of policies.

Originally Posted by Scrooge (Post 7431492)

Why would they publish all their policies so far from the election?

are you familiar with UK politics?

Originally Posted by Scrooge (Post 7431490)

I fond it hilarious that people who vent bile and anger at people who they dislike end up sounding just like them....

"idiotic public"


smh

Originally Posted by Niall (Post 7431546)

I'm sorry but anyone who thinks a racist, homophobic and bigoted party is the correct choice for this nation is a profound moron. I don't care how rude that is, it's the facts. And if every person had plainly exposed to them just how bigoted and disgusting this pathetic excuse for a party is then I'm sure they wouldn't be supporting it.

People only support them because of the incredibly sway they have over the media, as the right tends to have. Wipe away that media campaign and reveal them for what they truly are and no decent person would dare touch them. They are absolute poison.

Originally Posted by Scrooge (Post 7431548)

Yes, you are right and the millions of ukip supporters are wrong

:idc:

Originally Posted by Niall (Post 7431560)

Well yes, the racist and homophobic policies of UKIP are wrong. So, by extension all of those people are too wrong in addition to being stupid for believing they aren't wrong.

Anything else you'd like me to confirm for you today? :hugesmile:

Originally Posted by Scrooge (Post 7431563)

yes which racist and homophobic policies?

Originally Posted by Niall (Post 7431567)

They oppose same sex marriage? And I don't even need to start deconstructing their immigration policies because we all know it's fuelled by the xenophobic concept that immigrants 'degrade' this country.

Next!

Originally Posted by Scrooge (Post 7431577)

"In a statement issued a week ago, Ukip said. "There is an ongoing debate within Ukip about how we can protect faith communities from ultimately being compelled to conduct same-sex marriages against their beliefs and their will. We note that some gay rights activists are already talking about taking legal action in Strasbourg to force this issue."

He has also called for a move towards the French marriage system, where the legal act of marriage is separated from religious ceremonies.

Farage said: "We propose an augmentation of the civil partnership, awarding it equal status to marriage and enabling it to be available to all. We would rather the legal and religious endorsements of wedlock are separate."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...el-farage-ukip



we all know it's fuelled by the xenophobic concept that immigrants 'degrade' this country.


No we dont, that is your blinkered perception:nono:

DOnt you see that your own prejudice is just as bad as the perceived prejudice you are railing against? :shrug:

Originally Posted by Niall (Post 7431587)

But, note how in the entirety of that statement there's absolutely no outright support of same sex marriage. Just the mere suggestion that making marriage areligious might be a goal. Instead they'd rather give us a second rate version as was the case before. I don't care what you say, a lack of obvious support is dubious at the best of times. He instead implies religions are more important than simply affording equal rights to a disadvantaged group. You only need to read between the lines to see the homophobic attitude he's attempting to hide.

And it's not my 'blinkered' perception. If people who supported UKIP looked at the real problems of this country they'd see that its problems lie with precisely the people that manifest UKIP in the first place. Rich, right wing fools like Farage are those that drag this country down. The tories were bad enough before these more extreme idiots came along. If UKIP wasn't racist and bigoted then we wouldn't hear of another UKIP member spouting more prejudiced diatribes every other week, would we?

Originally Posted by Niall (Post 7431587)

But, note how in the entirety of that statement there's absolutely no outright support of same sex marriage. Just the mere suggestion that making marriage areligious might be a goal. Instead they'd rather give us a second rate version as was the case before. I don't care what you say, a lack of obvious support is dubious at the best of times.

And it's not my 'blinkered' perception. If people who supported UKIP looked at the real problems of this country they'd see that its problems lie with precisely the people that manifest UKIP in the first place. Rich, right wing fools like Farage are those that drag this country down. The tories were bad enough before these more extreme idiots came along.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7431598)

Religions are important though. You can't expect a religion to change their entire belief system to incorporate gay marriage. Everyone should be allowed to marry in a civil ceremony, whatever your sexual persuasion. However, you cannot force religions to marry people against their beliefs. I could not marry in a synagogue because my husband wasn't a Jew. I don't believe I should have a demonstration and try to make them change the rules.

Also, not being able to have a serious, grown up discussion about immigration and the overpopulation of our tiny island without being branded a racist has fuelled to the rise in support for UKIP.

Originally Posted by Scrooge (Post 7431612)

Farage is not rich, he lives in a semi detached house in kent worth 540k and earns 79k a year

:joker:

Originally Posted by SelenaSnowmez (Post 7431637)

sounds like he's rich to me...

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 7431636)

I think the media has alot to do with painting an unsavoury image of UKIP tbh.This statement has alot of truth in it.

'what people need to wake up to is the serious media slant on this. Recently a Lib Dem councillor in Worcester Park, South West London, pleaded guilty to racially aggravated assault. If this had been a UKIP councillor, or even a far removed ex member of UKIP, it would have been splashed across the pages of all the national newspapers and covered by all the main broadcasters. Yet, because he is a Lib Dem and therefore it does not fit the media agenda, Stephen Fenwick’s unprovoked attack on a man in a bar where he called him a ‘migrant’ and told him to ‘go back to his own country’ resulting in a year-long conditional discharge and fine of £200, has been confined to only the local press. Compare this to the coverage of Henley Town Councillor David Silvester when he wrote to the local paper expressing some rather wide of the mark, yet personally held religious views attributing the Same Sex Marriage Act to the recent flooding. Although his comments were certainly eccentric, and to many unpalatable, they were his opinions, not the party’s and he had long been making them to his local paper throughout his tenure as a town councillor. It was only when he defected to UKIP from the Conservatives, that these regular letters expressing the deep religious beliefs of an actually well-liked and respected elderly man, suddenly made national newspapers as the latest let’s-mock-UKIP-media fodder. It’s hardly balanced is it?'

Originally Posted by Scrooge (Post 7431640)

That is hardly rich and certainly not the rich that Liam is going on about.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7431598)

Religions are important though. You can't expect a religion to change their entire belief system to incorporate gay marriage. Everyone should be allowed to marry in a civil ceremony, whatever your sexual persuasion. However, you cannot force religions to marry people against their beliefs. I could not marry in a synagogue because my husband wasn't a Jew. I don't believe I should have a demonstration and try to make them change the rules.

Also, not being able to have a serious, grown up discussion about immigration and the overpopulation of our tiny island without being branded a racist has fuelled to the rise in support for UKIP.

Originally Posted by Niall (Post 7431567)

They oppose same sex marriage? And I don't even need to start deconstructing their immigration policies because we all know it's fuelled by the xenophobic concept that immigrants 'degrade' this country.

Next!

Originally Posted by The Mockerdeer (Post 7431694)

Isn't UKIP the party that in their original manifesto said that they would allow shopkeepers the right to bar people due to prejudicial grounds? If so then that's a ****ed up party for anyone to want to rule the country surely? Especially considering that they'll be more against the working class than even the Tories are considering they're even further right wing.

And as I know that a lot of the UKIP voters secretly want this to be the case they won't actually get rid of the Muslims from Asia and Africa like they're hoping for because they're cheap labour, but we will lose our civilized European neighbours under a UKIP Government.

Originally Posted by Scrooge (Post 7431703)

i heard they want to use space aliens for cheap labour and bring back slavery too


bloody racists

:crazy:

Originally Posted by Scrooge (Post 7431612)

Farage is not rich, he lives in a semi detached house in kent worth 540k and earns 79k a year

:joker:

Originally Posted by The Mockerdeer (Post 7431705)

There's no need to be sarcastic.

If their policy even has any defense for it then you can surely use it.

Or the fact that they want anyone hanged that believes in the EU.

And they want to cut food banks down so the poor suffer even moreso.

Originally Posted by Scrooge (Post 7431711)

i have no idea what you are on about:shrug:

Originally Posted by The Mockerdeer (Post 7431715)

On which part? The sarcastic remark? Or UKIP's so called policies away from let's pull out of Europe?

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7431732)

farage is an absolute legend, the ONLY man with the guts and backbone to speak the truth....he also does it with style and humility and has brilliantly sidestepped the petty mud slinging of politicians and the nasty populist narcissist russell brand. farage has been particulalry epic in completely exposed the corrupt disgusting monsterously wasteful burocratic nightmare that is europe

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7431598)

Religions are important though. You can't expect a religion to change their entire belief system to incorporate gay marriage. Everyone should be allowed to marry in a civil ceremony, whatever your sexual persuasion. However, you cannot force religions to marry people against their beliefs. I could not marry in a synagogue because my husband wasn't a Jew. I don't believe I should have a demonstration and try to make them change the rules.

Also, not being able to have a serious, grown up discussion about immigration and the overpopulation of our tiny island without being branded a racist has fuelled to the rise in support for UKIP.

Originally Posted by Scrooge (Post 7431612)

Farage is not rich, he lives in a semi detached house in kent worth 540k and earns 79k a year

:joker:

Originally Posted by Scrooge (Post 7431703)

i heard they want to use space aliens for cheap labour and bring back slavery too


bloody racists

:crazy:

Originally Posted by Niall (Post 7432160)

I wasn't saying religions aren't important, of course they're important! My point was more that he was using that as an excuse to not fully support the legalisation of gay marriage wholesale. Instead he used that to give conditions on its legalisation and back himself up when trying to bring up civil partnerships as an alternative. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, he won't support it fully so that indicates some degree of intolerance to me (and judging by the way UKIP members act, such feelings aren't exactly unfounded).

I guess that's true to some degree, but everyone's agreed now that immigration needs sorting. It does, and that's obvious. But I just wish people would open their eyes and see UKIP for the monstrous pile of manure that they are, and how their 'solution' for immigration is one of many things that will utterly destroy this country economically and culturally.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7432207)

I think what he said was that civil partnerships would be available to everyone, as in heterosexual couples could also opt for a civil partnership which they can't do right now. And he doesn't have to support gay marriage wholeheartedly. Plenty of of MPs voted against it. If that's what people believe then they have a right to think that way, even though it's legal now and I personally don't agree with them.

I am not a supporter of UKIP, and they certainly don't help themselves with some of the loose canons they have shooting off their mouths without engaging their brain... but I do agree with some of the stuff they say, for instance, open borders with Europe has been a disaster. That's not to say some people shouldn't be able to come and work here if they have something to offer. Nigel Farage's wife is German, he's not saying no one should be let into the country, ever.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7432255)

Anyone who believes the official figures on immigration is living in 'La La land'. Treble them and you might be nearer the mark.

Anyone who believes that the majority of immigrants coming here are just hard-working, honest souls who just want a better life is living in 'La La land'.

Anyone who believes that our Benefits System mainly benefits those in real need are living in 'La La land'.

Anyone who believes that the majority of immigrants are not exploiting loop holes in our Benefits System to the tune of 100's of millions of pounds per year are living in 'La La land.

Anyone who doesn't believe that organised crime; from prostitution to drug trafficking, cloned credit card fraud, shoplifting gangs to Housing Benefit fraud, 'Boiler Room' and 'Long' Companies, to 'Ponzi' schemes, is run by immigrants is living in 'La La land'.

Anyone who doesn't believe that the problem is getting worse and is set to continue to get worse as unfettered immigration escalates, is living in 'La La land.

Someone needs to do something - and quickly - and I personally don't give a rat's arse if it's UKIP or not.

There - said it - now I feel better.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7432255)

Anyone who believes the official figures on immigration is living in 'La La land'. Treble them and you might be nearer the mark.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7432334)

Statistics are never going to be 100% accurate but... treble? Really? ... this is just nonsensical. Do you need to borrow a hyperspoon to help you dish this **** out of your hyperbole?



In both cases, "the majority"? Come on! No one is trying to claim that there aren't people out to abuse the system - both immigrants and people born and raised right here at home. Of course there are. There will always be people looking to exploit things to their advantage. But the MAJORITY of immigrants are dastardly, scheming layabouts who have some sort of supernatural ability to exploit loopholes and get away with it, that aren't being exploited by people here already? More nonsense.



The vast (VAST) majority of the benefits budget is spent on wage top-ups (tax credits, child benefits, etc.) for normal British families. Working families. Because full-time work on anything less than around £11 an hour is not enough to run a household at all let alone to any sort of decent standard. Even the "living wage" (£7.85) is an absolute joke, unless you believe that it's possible to run a household / support a family on < £15000 a year (hint: it isn't). So yes. Our benefits system mainly benefits those who need it: normal, working UK families with children. That is just how broken the UK wage structure vs. the cost of living is.




Again, all of them? If we stop immigration, all of these problems will suddenly be solved, I suppose? We'll be living in a utopia where everyone stops in the street to tip their cap and give a fine how-do-you-do? Yes, there are immigrants involved in organised crime. And white british people, too. Not to mention plenty of home-grown would be gangsters eager to step right up if indeed all of the immigrants were to be removed. The problem, then, is that we're not tackling organised crime very well, surely, rather than it being an immigration issue?




The terms "baby" and "bathwater" come to mind. You want better controlled immigration so let's elect people who are promising that, no matter what other prejudiced and small-minded policies they might have? Who CARES if they round up all of the gays and send them back to their homeland (la la land, is it?) so long as we also get rid of the dirty sand****ers running prostitution rings out of their ill-gotten council houses too, right? Yarrrrr and whar's me pitchfork?

Originally Posted by Niall (Post 7432322)

I know that, but it's still a mildly homohobic thing to do (opposing it that is), hence my using that as a reference point for saying they're homophobic.

I suppose so. But his attitude is so ridiculously over the top I just despair at people taking him seriously. He's a moron.



Anyone who thinks any of that contains a cent of truth is also clearly living in 'la la land'.

Originally Posted by The Mockerdeer (Post 7432333)

Saying that most of the problems in this country is caused by foreigners is living in la la land.

Especially when it comes to stuff like the recession which was Farage and his fellow Bankers fault for bankrupting not just this country but the whole world.

And crimes get committed by all sorts of people, to say that it's mostly foreigners is crazy imo.

And to Scrooge The Daily Telegraph reported about wanting people hanged for wanting to be in the EU, and we all know how right wing they are so they're not as agenda driven against UKIP like someone said about the Media earlier.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7432427)

nonsense its people over using the homophobic and racist card thats caused this massive problem in the first place